| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated 07:26 - Aug 7 with 4742 views | textbackup |
To when we kick off vs Birmingham
189 days separates when I personally felt our fate was decided (loss at home to Southampton) and when we face Birmingham.
The entire footballing universe knew Delap would be sold, in fact sold so well he was talking to clubs while the season was in play, and went in the first transfer window.
I made a comment at the end of last season that I had this horrible feeling we’d start the season with a strike force of Hirst and AAH (was shot down for being negative, down voted, told that wouldn’t happen) yet here we are.
I’m Sure it’s been said many times on here (whilst I was in TWTD prison) but that situation is far from ideal and one that is really rather poor in terms of planning and recruitment, isn’t it?
I’m sure I’ll be told there are 3/4 weeks left of the window, that I’m moaning for the sake of moaning. But honestly, you need to question anyone that’s happy with the situation. We kick off the season tomorrow, not in 3/4 weeks… there are points at stake, and we aren’t giving our manager the tools he requires to have the best chance to get those, we’ve left it to chance.
There’s nothing we as fans can do but trust what the management team are doing, but in this particular situation I can’t help but feel really frustration that we are again looking at a squad lacking a striking option that we clearly need.
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| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 13:15 - Aug 7 with 621 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 13:05 - Aug 7 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Who knows what is actually going on behind the scenes, we’d both be speculating whatever our opinions are on the matter. In previous years I believe most parachute clubs spent north of 30M on incoming fees, I guess I’d have to go back and see when those deals were actually done.
I’m just talking honestly from what I’ve seen this summer and last, I just get a feeling not enough has been done there and a few panicked and a bit chaotic.
Starting the season with Jack Taylor in the 8 and Ali off the bench concerns me that we aren’t anywhere where we need to be in staffing departments. I’d love to know if Akpom truly was on our list 5-6 or even 2 months ago as well.
We keep hearing how it’s unfair for parachute clubs these days but then people on here keep saying we are fine because of last years deals. KM has said he has lost more than he liked and we aren’t where we need to be in multiple areas of the pitch.
There’s three weeks left. Let’s see. |
You need to look at outgoings as well as incomings to even start to build a realistic picture, since outgoings start to measure how much the club was weakened before it was then strengthened. Last season for example, Burnley were in financial distress, and offload something like 21 players, and most of the best players.
24/25
Burnley £50M Nett INCOME
Sheffield United £ 4M Nett OUTGOING
Luton £ 4M Nett INCOME
Edit : to correct figures [Post edited 7 Aug 13:21]
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| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 13:26 - Aug 7 with 580 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 13:15 - Aug 7 by SuffolkPunchFC |
You need to look at outgoings as well as incomings to even start to build a realistic picture, since outgoings start to measure how much the club was weakened before it was then strengthened. Last season for example, Burnley were in financial distress, and offload something like 21 players, and most of the best players.
24/25
Burnley £50M Nett INCOME
Sheffield United £ 4M Nett OUTGOING
Luton £ 4M Nett INCOME
Edit : to correct figures [Post edited 7 Aug 13:21]
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Yes but we will also have 70M or so in sales by September and at this rate spend less than Norwich! Everyone was expecting Delap + one more, the second one dragging on isn’t a surprise when PL clubs are involved. We are not waiting on these deals to do our business though.
I was very much anticipating two 8 figures buys through the door this summer, maybe it still happens but we better get off and running these next few weeks to settle the nerves a little! I’m not saying he won’t work out but I have a nagging feeling Akpom was a bit of a panic play when we saw others in for him, just my opinion of course.
All that said, once announced, our starting midfield should excite everyone at this level. |  | | |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 13:29 - Aug 7 with 562 views | tonybied |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 13:26 - Aug 7 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Yes but we will also have 70M or so in sales by September and at this rate spend less than Norwich! Everyone was expecting Delap + one more, the second one dragging on isn’t a surprise when PL clubs are involved. We are not waiting on these deals to do our business though.
I was very much anticipating two 8 figures buys through the door this summer, maybe it still happens but we better get off and running these next few weeks to settle the nerves a little! I’m not saying he won’t work out but I have a nagging feeling Akpom was a bit of a panic play when we saw others in for him, just my opinion of course.
All that said, once announced, our starting midfield should excite everyone at this level. |
Excuse my ignorance, but why would we panic buy a player we weren't previously interested in, with nearly a month left of the window, just because another club was in for him? |  | | |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 13:32 - Aug 7 with 550 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 13:13 - Aug 7 by tractorboy1978 |
The level we are trying to recruit at, it is very likely our top targets aren't available until later in the window once clubs further up the chain have done their business or got their houses in order. Signing later on doesn't necessarily mean you are working down a list and when you can sign players isn't always in your control no matter what financial resources you have.
For reference, Burnley signed 9 players in the last week of the window last season. |
It’s definitely a fair point. Which is why I always said the caveat of, September will be the time to truly assess our summer. I’ve just got a nagging feeling we have some work to do behind the scenes that needs be accelerated in these departments.
They did get picked apart in August, unless it starts with a 3, we should not entertain answering the phone re: Davis. | | | |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 13:34 - Aug 7 with 541 views | Herbivore |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 13:05 - Aug 7 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Who knows what is actually going on behind the scenes, we’d both be speculating whatever our opinions are on the matter. In previous years I believe most parachute clubs spent north of 30M on incoming fees, I guess I’d have to go back and see when those deals were actually done.
I’m just talking honestly from what I’ve seen this summer and last, I just get a feeling not enough has been done there and a few panicked and a bit chaotic.
Starting the season with Jack Taylor in the 8 and Ali off the bench concerns me that we aren’t anywhere where we need to be in staffing departments. I’d love to know if Akpom truly was on our list 5-6 or even 2 months ago as well.
We keep hearing how it’s unfair for parachute clubs these days but then people on here keep saying we are fine because of last years deals. KM has said he has lost more than he liked and we aren’t where we need to be in multiple areas of the pitch.
There’s three weeks left. Let’s see. |
Think Leeds sold Sinisterra after they played us (did he score at PR?) and signed Piroe later in the window as well. The bigger signings seem to happen very early when all parties are pushing for it or very late once things fall into place (or not). I think probably the only two players who have moved who would have been high up on our wish list are Guiu and Morton, when you look at where they've gone you can see why we didn't get those done. Other targets I imagine we're still working on.
I can understand why people feel frustrated but we're far from being the only club whose squad isn't finalised yet. Pretty much everyone will have a lot more business going on between now and the end of the window, including our upcoming opponents. It's easy to think that something has gone wrong when we aren't quite where we wanted to be, but that's not necessarily the case. There might not have been things we could have done differently to secure the targets that we genuinely want rather than just signing bodies for the sake of it.
As you mention, still over three weeks left which is a long time in a transfer window. We'll have a much better idea of what kind of window it's been at the end of it than we do right now. |  |
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| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 13:37 - Aug 7 with 517 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 13:29 - Aug 7 by tonybied |
Excuse my ignorance, but why would we panic buy a player we weren't previously interested in, with nearly a month left of the window, just because another club was in for him? |
Possibly because there isn’t an abundance of strikers available, not wanting to spend a huge fee for a starter when we have Hirst and a few other deals not happening? Maybe panic is the wrong word but seems like that noise about a pending move was the trigger for us to get involved late. Might be wrong, who knows. | | | |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 13:40 - Aug 7 with 497 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 13:26 - Aug 7 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Yes but we will also have 70M or so in sales by September and at this rate spend less than Norwich! Everyone was expecting Delap + one more, the second one dragging on isn’t a surprise when PL clubs are involved. We are not waiting on these deals to do our business though.
I was very much anticipating two 8 figures buys through the door this summer, maybe it still happens but we better get off and running these next few weeks to settle the nerves a little! I’m not saying he won’t work out but I have a nagging feeling Akpom was a bit of a panic play when we saw others in for him, just my opinion of course.
All that said, once announced, our starting midfield should excite everyone at this level. |
I wasn't reflecting on how we had done, only that you need to look at outgoings as well as incomings. Burnley lost a lot of quality if we assume that cost roughly aligns with quality.
If you only looked at the £44M they spent, you might conclude that they improved the squad significantly. The outgoings suggest otherwise, especially given how many players left (if it were 1 or 2 high value players, that skews it a bit).
We should judge our window once it closes, looking at the losses vs the gains.
This simple approach also fails to recognise loanees - so maybe their market value also needs considering. | | | |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 13:44 - Aug 7 with 468 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 13:40 - Aug 7 by SuffolkPunchFC |
I wasn't reflecting on how we had done, only that you need to look at outgoings as well as incomings. Burnley lost a lot of quality if we assume that cost roughly aligns with quality.
If you only looked at the £44M they spent, you might conclude that they improved the squad significantly. The outgoings suggest otherwise, especially given how many players left (if it were 1 or 2 high value players, that skews it a bit).
We should judge our window once it closes, looking at the losses vs the gains.
This simple approach also fails to recognise loanees - so maybe their market value also needs considering. |
We shall see soon enough. | | | |
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| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 13:46 - Aug 7 with 456 views | tonybied |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 13:37 - Aug 7 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Possibly because there isn’t an abundance of strikers available, not wanting to spend a huge fee for a starter when we have Hirst and a few other deals not happening? Maybe panic is the wrong word but seems like that noise about a pending move was the trigger for us to get involved late. Might be wrong, who knows. |
It seems far more likely that we weren't aware of his availability initially. Once we found out and did some homework on him, we decided he'd be a good fit for what we want and made an offer. It just happens that Birmingham were close to getting him in the door at the point we'd done our due diligence on Akpom. | | | |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 13:50 - Aug 7 with 425 views | textbackup |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 09:12 - Aug 7 by Herbivore |
I think he's worried that if we lose to Brum and Saints, there's only another 132 points to play for. |
You aren’t aiming for a 133 season tally?! Zero ambition | |
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| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 13:55 - Aug 7 with 403 views | tonybied |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 13:50 - Aug 7 by textbackup |
You aren’t aiming for a 133 season tally?! Zero ambition |
135 points and 135 goals, any less and the season can be seen as nothing but a failure! | | | |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 14:06 - Aug 7 with 377 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 13:13 - Aug 7 by tractorboy1978 |
The level we are trying to recruit at, it is very likely our top targets aren't available until later in the window once clubs further up the chain have done their business or got their houses in order. Signing later on doesn't necessarily mean you are working down a list and when you can sign players isn't always in your control no matter what financial resources you have.
For reference, Burnley signed 9 players in the last week of the window last season. |
Buying players is not a supermarket sweep as has been mentioned on here before. It is more like buying houses. It all has to fall into place and needs a deadline to give it a push. That or somebody with a lot of money.
I'm not selling to you until I have a replacement lined up. They are not selling me that replacement untill they have a replacement lined up. And so it goes.
Come October all this will be forgotten. |  | | |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 14:06 - Aug 7 with 377 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 13:46 - Aug 7 by tonybied |
It seems far more likely that we weren't aware of his availability initially. Once we found out and did some homework on him, we decided he'd be a good fit for what we want and made an offer. It just happens that Birmingham were close to getting him in the door at the point we'd done our due diligence on Akpom. |
We are both speculating, no one really knows, think he will be a decent signing regardless. | | | |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 14:19 - Aug 7 with 342 views | waveneyblue |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 12:24 - Aug 7 by nrb1985 |
Bloody texters - another so called "fan" disagreeing with your view point. GRRRRR.
Also, why are you singling Texters out?
Loads of other of our "s0 c@LLED FaNs" gave me uppies for calling you a condescending prig the other day.
Why don't they get a share of the spoils? [Post edited 7 Aug 12:27]
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In all honesty I didnt know who the hell you were till you snuggled up with Texters in this thread.
Have you actually got the right poster, as i cant recall you ?
Or maybe you're really insignificant.
Apologies if you wasted having a pop at me before and I didnt notice. |  | | |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 14:21 - Aug 7 with 333 views | tonybied |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 14:06 - Aug 7 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
We are both speculating, no one really knows, think he will be a decent signing regardless. |
Yup, we're in agreement there. Watching the highlights from his 29 goal season at Middlesbrough, he knows how to use his head! When was the last time we had a player that was such a prolific finisher with their head? | | | |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 14:34 - Aug 7 with 292 views | textbackup |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 14:21 - Aug 7 by tonybied |
Yup, we're in agreement there. Watching the highlights from his 29 goal season at Middlesbrough, he knows how to use his head! When was the last time we had a player that was such a prolific finisher with their head? |
We might need to switch things up if that’s the case and look to get more crosses in the box.
I love how we play, but if we have heading ability in the box we might want to rethink/mix it up.
(Gonna walk up the training ground and tell KM, he might not have considered this) | |
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| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 14:38 - Aug 7 with 285 views | Vaughan8 |
Anyone who thought the transfers would all be done by the start of the season are deluded.
Espeicially as the markets we are shopping in i'm sure are impacted by higher teams, i.e. we might be after a loan but they won't loan them out until they have a replacement etc.
unfortunately this happens when you have the transfer window after the start of the season.
The English (or UK) leagues tried moving the window forward to when the season started one year but then we open to other countries getting their players after our deadline so that didn't last long. | | | |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 14:40 - Aug 7 with 274 views | nrb1985 |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 14:19 - Aug 7 by waveneyblue |
In all honesty I didnt know who the hell you were till you snuggled up with Texters in this thread.
Have you actually got the right poster, as i cant recall you ?
Or maybe you're really insignificant.
Apologies if you wasted having a pop at me before and I didnt notice. |
Lol, nice try, chuckles. Judging by how many times you’ve logged back into this thread trying to get the last word, no chance you missed the replies to you a few days ago.
As for being 'insignificant' — well yeah, it's an internet football forum where most of us don't know each other from Adam. If you're basing your significance or otherwise in life though on message board clout, then... well, that probably says more about you than me. [Post edited 7 Aug 14:54]
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| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 14:48 - Aug 7 with 250 views | textbackup |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 14:38 - Aug 7 by Vaughan8 |
Anyone who thought the transfers would all be done by the start of the season are deluded.
Espeicially as the markets we are shopping in i'm sure are impacted by higher teams, i.e. we might be after a loan but they won't loan them out until they have a replacement etc.
unfortunately this happens when you have the transfer window after the start of the season.
The English (or UK) leagues tried moving the window forward to when the season started one year but then we open to other countries getting their players after our deadline so that didn't last long. |
Deluded is a strange word to use when the CEO/Chairman is quoted as saying we’d be looking to get business done early in the summer (or something along those lines) | |
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| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 15:15 - Aug 7 with 222 views | Kropotkin123 |
I don't think it is poor planning. It is in line with the vast majority of relegated clubs from the EPL, season after season.
You have an issue with AAH more generally, and likely as the second striker more specifically, but the club are evidently willing to wait or take their time in getting the best people through the door.
We have reports that Akpom is close. If we choose to replace AAH as a third striker, it will likely be a young EPL loanee. That will be when the EPL teams have sorted out their squad, beyond the start of our season.
I don't think you are moaning for the sake of moaning, I just think you are ignorant to the realities of the situation we are in.
It is frustrating waiting and trusting the management. But window after window our squad has improved. They are entitled to your trust and support. |  |
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| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 15:23 - Aug 7 with 192 views | TheBoyBlue |
We have a striker who sounds like he's about to come through the door. He may not play tomorrow, but we still have a fit Hirst for that which I'm happy with, plus Al-Hamadi who seems full of confidence at the moment, plus Szmodics, so happy enough with that. Obviously would prefer to have Haaland and Salah in too, but I guess we can't have everything. | |
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| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 15:45 - Aug 7 with 164 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 14:48 - Aug 7 by textbackup |
Deluded is a strange word to use when the CEO/Chairman is quoted as saying we’d be looking to get business done early in the summer (or something along those lines) |
To be fair he didn't say complete - and some was done early. Just not complete yet. | | | |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 15:57 - Aug 7 with 149 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 13:34 - Aug 7 by Herbivore |
Think Leeds sold Sinisterra after they played us (did he score at PR?) and signed Piroe later in the window as well. The bigger signings seem to happen very early when all parties are pushing for it or very late once things fall into place (or not). I think probably the only two players who have moved who would have been high up on our wish list are Guiu and Morton, when you look at where they've gone you can see why we didn't get those done. Other targets I imagine we're still working on.
I can understand why people feel frustrated but we're far from being the only club whose squad isn't finalised yet. Pretty much everyone will have a lot more business going on between now and the end of the window, including our upcoming opponents. It's easy to think that something has gone wrong when we aren't quite where we wanted to be, but that's not necessarily the case. There might not have been things we could have done differently to secure the targets that we genuinely want rather than just signing bodies for the sake of it.
As you mention, still over three weeks left which is a long time in a transfer window. We'll have a much better idea of what kind of window it's been at the end of it than we do right now. |
All fair. I think with how close and widely reported Hackney was that's led to disappointment.
If you would have told me we would get Cajuste back and sign a $9M DCM from abroad as a younger Morsy replacement I would expect i would have been very happy with that in May from a Midfield perspective.
Just overall it does feel rather short handed at the moment. [Post edited 7 Aug 15:58]
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| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 16:07 - Aug 7 with 122 views | Herbivore |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 15:57 - Aug 7 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
All fair. I think with how close and widely reported Hackney was that's led to disappointment.
If you would have told me we would get Cajuste back and sign a $9M DCM from abroad as a younger Morsy replacement I would expect i would have been very happy with that in May from a Midfield perspective.
Just overall it does feel rather short handed at the moment. [Post edited 7 Aug 15:58]
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I think the Hackney mini-saga has definitely left people feeling a bit gloomy. I'm still not 100% convinced it's totally dead in the water either though. As you say, if someone had said in May we'd have Cajuste back and for less than we would have paid if we'd stayed up, and we'd sign his former CM partner in Matusiwa we'd all have been pretty pleased with that.
If not for a few poorly timed injuries, the squad is shaping up well. Hard to tell who might still move on and that will dictate how many more we need. We'll need a LB option, another CM and CF, and then someone to replace Hutch if he goes. That's a little bit of business still to do but I'd say the squad looks in a good place overall. | |
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| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 16:12 - Aug 7 with 115 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 105 days separates when we were officially relegated on 16:07 - Aug 7 by Herbivore |
I think the Hackney mini-saga has definitely left people feeling a bit gloomy. I'm still not 100% convinced it's totally dead in the water either though. As you say, if someone had said in May we'd have Cajuste back and for less than we would have paid if we'd stayed up, and we'd sign his former CM partner in Matusiwa we'd all have been pretty pleased with that.
If not for a few poorly timed injuries, the squad is shaping up well. Hard to tell who might still move on and that will dictate how many more we need. We'll need a LB option, another CM and CF, and then someone to replace Hutch if he goes. That's a little bit of business still to do but I'd say the squad looks in a good place overall. |
Think we need 3 more in and then depends if anyone else leaves. At least there is a game tomorrow so we can all shut up about this for a few hours. | | | |
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