| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it 10:41 - Aug 13 with 2867 views | IP1Blue |
His last 3 transfer windows have been so very poor.
Muric - 8m - disaster and cost us
Palmer - 2.4m - had to buy because of muric
Johnson - free (high wages) - 1 good game in every 4 games
Young - free (high wages) - should bring experience
O Shea - 15m - has worked out well
Greaves -17m - never been sure, always seems on edge
Godfrey - loan - the less said the better
Kipre - loan - unsure as of yet
Townsend - 1.5m - good cover but now done ACL
Azor - 8m - jury still out as we’ve not seen much
Philips - loan - just didn’t work
Cajuste - 2 x loans - worked last year but will his knees hold up?
Szmodics - 8m - injured all season (hope it works this season)
Enciso - loan - was good in spells
Ogbene - 8m - injured again straight away but was never convinced he was worth 8m
Hutchinson - 22m - leaving this summer
Clarke - 17m - I fear it’s never going to work and it just hasn’t gelled
Philogene - 20m - hull buy for 3m, villa buy for 13m and then we buy for 20m 6 months late, absolute calamity and not sure he’s worth 20m but time will tell
Akpom - loan - unsure but not set work alight since leaving boro
Delap - 20m - sold for 30m
We’ve then also let or letting go of:
Tuanzebe
Broadhead
Burgess
Morsy
Delap
Hutchinson
Who IMO would/should have been in our starting 11 and we’ve spent £150m and been left with a squad who’s only slightly better in areas and significantly weaker in other areas.
To potentially be going into Southampton with Taylor (our 4/5th joins cm last year) and Hunphries (on loan at Wycombe last year) as our starting 2 midfielders if Azor’s groin is still tight and Cajuste not being fit is purely a disgrace tbh.
Ashton is also prone to panic buying e.g. al hamadi, Ahadme, Ogbene and with 3 weeks to go in the transfer window, I seriously have much hope in what we bring in has been thoroughly thought through! |  | | |  |
| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 10:59 - Aug 13 with 2425 views | mistert |
I don't think you can really pin the blame on Ashton for the targets, that's down to the recruitment team as a whole. Yes, Ashton is responsible for getting deals done but you can't put Muric on him, for example. There is (or should be) a whole team behind this (including McKenna obviously). |  | | |
| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 11:07 - Aug 13 with 2333 views | IP1Blue |
| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 10:59 - Aug 13 by mistert |
I don't think you can really pin the blame on Ashton for the targets, that's down to the recruitment team as a whole. Yes, Ashton is responsible for getting deals done but you can't put Muric on him, for example. There is (or should be) a whole team behind this (including McKenna obviously). |
He’s happy to take the plaudits when things are going well though! At the end of the day, the recruitment team has needed work and feels like we’re running off a balance sheet as everytime he goes on TalkSPORT, all he says is that the player value has increased by x amounts but that’s irrelevant if we don’t produce results on the pitch | | | |
| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 11:09 - Aug 13 with 2293 views | Reuser_is_God |
He’s not getting away with it, been plenty of criticism of him. |  |
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| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 11:15 - Aug 13 with 2222 views | Bellevue_Blue |
You've tried to be as negative as possible here which I do genuinely admire.
Ashton is 'quietly getting away with it' when there is every chance we make a profit of 35M+ on three players this summer (Delap - 10-15, Omari - 20-25 & Broady - 5)
Palmer has been a decent signing for 2M, Szmodics was great for the first part of last season, Greaves has been largely decent and then the Cajuste signing was outstanding. 'Will the knees hold up?' - Did they last season?. About half of these you could approach far more positively. Ogbene for example looked really lively in those first few games, Ashton can't help freak injuries.
We need to bring more bodies of course but to say he has got away with it is absurd. Look at Leicester for goodness sake if you want an example of bad management.
We will continue to trade up and hopefully he gets more right then wrong. [Post edited 13 Aug 11:15]
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| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 11:21 - Aug 13 with 2114 views | BseaBlue |
| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 11:15 - Aug 13 by Bellevue_Blue |
You've tried to be as negative as possible here which I do genuinely admire.
Ashton is 'quietly getting away with it' when there is every chance we make a profit of 35M+ on three players this summer (Delap - 10-15, Omari - 20-25 & Broady - 5)
Palmer has been a decent signing for 2M, Szmodics was great for the first part of last season, Greaves has been largely decent and then the Cajuste signing was outstanding. 'Will the knees hold up?' - Did they last season?. About half of these you could approach far more positively. Ogbene for example looked really lively in those first few games, Ashton can't help freak injuries.
We need to bring more bodies of course but to say he has got away with it is absurd. Look at Leicester for goodness sake if you want an example of bad management.
We will continue to trade up and hopefully he gets more right then wrong. [Post edited 13 Aug 11:15]
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I'm not saying he is beyond criticism but he's overseen X amount of millions in profit for player trading deals this summer, managed to keep our best manager in decades and pulled off a transfer that quite a few of us thought wouldn't be possible in Cajuste returning. Add in the off the field stuff such as the training ground and it is fair to say we are in a good place.
Yes we could have done with a few more through the door by now and that is something that I feel needs to be improved on (Particularly if it is only him and Werhun taking all the onus for this) and yes it has been a poor start, but to say he is 'Getting away with it' is a shambles of a comment. |  | | |
| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 11:21 - Aug 13 with 2109 views | IP1Blue |
| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 11:09 - Aug 13 by Reuser_is_God |
He’s not getting away with it, been plenty of criticism of him. |
I don’t think there’s been too much criticism of him as of yet tbh - most of it yesterday was aimed at players and rightfully so but not so much of him over last 6 months or so. | | | |
| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 11:25 - Aug 13 with 2046 views | mistert |
| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 11:07 - Aug 13 by IP1Blue |
He’s happy to take the plaudits when things are going well though! At the end of the day, the recruitment team has needed work and feels like we’re running off a balance sheet as everytime he goes on TalkSPORT, all he says is that the player value has increased by x amounts but that’s irrelevant if we don’t produce results on the pitch |
He's not immune from criticism but he's also not responsible for what happens on the pitch. The only influence he has over that is the hiring and firing of coaching staff. Maybe we need review of our recruitment process but how do you know they're not doing that already? If you're going to criticise at least be more constructive. [Post edited 13 Aug 11:27]
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| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 11:28 - Aug 13 with 1993 views | IP1Blue |
| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 11:15 - Aug 13 by Bellevue_Blue |
You've tried to be as negative as possible here which I do genuinely admire.
Ashton is 'quietly getting away with it' when there is every chance we make a profit of 35M+ on three players this summer (Delap - 10-15, Omari - 20-25 & Broady - 5)
Palmer has been a decent signing for 2M, Szmodics was great for the first part of last season, Greaves has been largely decent and then the Cajuste signing was outstanding. 'Will the knees hold up?' - Did they last season?. About half of these you could approach far more positively. Ogbene for example looked really lively in those first few games, Ashton can't help freak injuries.
We need to bring more bodies of course but to say he has got away with it is absurd. Look at Leicester for goodness sake if you want an example of bad management.
We will continue to trade up and hopefully he gets more right then wrong. [Post edited 13 Aug 11:15]
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This is my point though - we’re more obsessed with the balance sheet over the players
Palmer - is a decent signing but we had to sign him because of the disaster of Muric
Greaves - he was ok but will is a £17 better player than what Burgess was??
Cajuste - could only play 70 mins last year because of his knees and now he’s being asked to play Saturday, Tuesday etc it’s a fair question to ask..
Ogbene - we paid 8m for a player who for Luton was ok but didn’t set the world alight.
Leicester’s squad is far better than ours currently so I don’t get that comparison.
You say trade up but we’ve lost Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Delap (expected), Hutchinson (expected, might stay) and broadhead - I can get Delap and Hutchinson going but losing the other 4 is hard to replace IMO | | | |
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| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 11:29 - Aug 13 with 1989 views | I_LOVE_GOLLOB |
Questions could be asked of Mckenna too. Won't change his system when most can see it. Might be wrong but seems to have been a few ins / out of the back room staff. Is that because they seen stuff on the sidelines that need changing but he's too stubborn to swap it? | |
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| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 11:34 - Aug 13 with 1911 views | Wright1 |
Your reason for half of these being bad signings is because they got injured. Did I miss the part where Ashton two-footed all these guys? | | | |
| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 11:59 - Aug 13 with 1736 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 11:28 - Aug 13 by IP1Blue |
This is my point though - we’re more obsessed with the balance sheet over the players
Palmer - is a decent signing but we had to sign him because of the disaster of Muric
Greaves - he was ok but will is a £17 better player than what Burgess was??
Cajuste - could only play 70 mins last year because of his knees and now he’s being asked to play Saturday, Tuesday etc it’s a fair question to ask..
Ogbene - we paid 8m for a player who for Luton was ok but didn’t set the world alight.
Leicester’s squad is far better than ours currently so I don’t get that comparison.
You say trade up but we’ve lost Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Delap (expected), Hutchinson (expected, might stay) and broadhead - I can get Delap and Hutchinson going but losing the other 4 is hard to replace IMO |
But it's not the balance sheet or the players. There is a middle ground there that sits alongside squad evolution that dictates the assembly and evolution of a recently relegated squad.
Palmer - Yes Muric was a shocker, he's now on loan with an option to buy back for the same amount we paid which seems to me like decent business. Cut losses quickly.
Greaves - It's marginal but Greaves is 24, Burgess is 29. Greaves in the coming years will be a fairly big upgrade (was brilliant on Friday as well!)
Cajuste - He's not going to be asked to play Saturday/ Tuesday though is he. KM made a point saying he needed more competition in that spot last night.
Leicester as a Football business is in a far worse position. That's why this whole PSR issue continues to hang over them and will likely rule them out of autos this year. That is what poor management at the CEO level looks like.
On the players who have left, it's pretty difficult to say we could have done anything differently.
Tuanzebe - Chance to play in the Prem and move close to home
Burgess - World Cup year, wants to start consistently
Morsy - Life changing money in the middle east, didn't want to sign a 1 year deal
Broady - Opportunity to go back to the club he played at as junior
It's frustrating that this has happened in the same summer but 3 of the 4 were offered new deals. MA/ KM tried but for the above reasons they wanted to leave. | | | |
| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 12:01 - Aug 13 with 1712 views | Jon_456 |
Some of this Ashton bashing is odd. How these players perform on the pitch is completely irrelevant and out of Ashtons hands.
The only thing he can be judged on is the price we paid for them and if it showed good value without the benefit of hindsight.
Muric - Sassuollo have an option buy at more or less the same fee. Considering how he played last year, that’s good value.
Palmer - Arguably the best GK in the champ at the time. Good value.
Johnson - Premier league experience on a free. Excellent signing.
O’Shea - Premier league level defender at a young age and with other clubs interested, excellent value.
Greaves - Team of the year at a young age. Not as good as O’Shea yet but still good value.
Townsend - absolute steal at that price with his experience.
Szmodics / Ogbene - probably about the going rate at the time.
Delap - People were moaning we’d paid too much for him before he kicked a ball.
Clarke & Philogene - arguably question marks over their fees but they’re not beyond what you’d expect to pay for top championships wingers at their age.
If players aren’t performing to the levels they should be, that’s a coaching/management issue. | | | |
| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 12:03 - Aug 13 with 1692 views | urbanpenguin |
I don't understand why you have listed players' later injuries in a post about targeting and signing players. |  | | |
| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 12:53 - Aug 13 with 1500 views | No_Moore_Kieffer |
It isn't the transfer window that he's getting away with, it is slightly more behind the scenes.
Around the training ground, the business vs football side of it.
He's a businessman, but could do with a football person alongside him - I think the Mike O'Leary loss is hitting harder than we expected |  | | |
| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 13:33 - Aug 13 with 1332 views | Rimsy |
Ashton and the owners have been keeping a low profile. Unlike the first 2 years when we were playing well they always seemed to have something to say. |  |
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| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 13:41 - Aug 13 with 1262 views | chantryblueboy |
| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 11:15 - Aug 13 by Bellevue_Blue |
You've tried to be as negative as possible here which I do genuinely admire.
Ashton is 'quietly getting away with it' when there is every chance we make a profit of 35M+ on three players this summer (Delap - 10-15, Omari - 20-25 & Broady - 5)
Palmer has been a decent signing for 2M, Szmodics was great for the first part of last season, Greaves has been largely decent and then the Cajuste signing was outstanding. 'Will the knees hold up?' - Did they last season?. About half of these you could approach far more positively. Ogbene for example looked really lively in those first few games, Ashton can't help freak injuries.
We need to bring more bodies of course but to say he has got away with it is absurd. Look at Leicester for goodness sake if you want an example of bad management.
We will continue to trade up and hopefully he gets more right then wrong. [Post edited 13 Aug 11:15]
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Who gives a fck how much profit we make on players when the best match day squad we can put out is crap | | | |
| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 14:35 - Aug 13 with 1037 views | GlasgowBlue |
You’ve put a negative spin in a lot of players who are either injured (no fault of Ashton) or new players like Kiore, Matasuwe and Akpom who haven’t had the chance to impress yet.
As for putting Hutchinson as a negative. He’s been a great signing and we will turn a profit on him. |  |
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| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 14:57 - Aug 13 with 940 views | Bobbychase |
One word for you: Chansiri |  |
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| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 15:01 - Aug 13 with 903 views | chantryblueboy |
| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 14:57 - Aug 13 by Bobbychase |
One word for you: Chansiri |
One word for you: irrelevant | | | |
| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 15:10 - Aug 13 with 819 views | bournemouthblue |
AAH scored 4 goals in the run up to promotion, it's a little unfair to suggest that panic buy went poorly?
He did fine when he came in for our promotion push?
He has looked off it since then but it hasn't entirely been a disaster?
I assume we recouped some money through the Stoke loan? |  |
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| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 15:18 - Aug 13 with 772 views | ernie |
| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 15:10 - Aug 13 by bournemouthblue |
AAH scored 4 goals in the run up to promotion, it's a little unfair to suggest that panic buy went poorly?
He did fine when he came in for our promotion push?
He has looked off it since then but it hasn't entirely been a disaster?
I assume we recouped some money through the Stoke loan? |
He has looked completely out of his depth the whole time we have had him. | | | |
| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 15:18 - Aug 13 with 770 views | darkhorse28 |
| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 10:59 - Aug 13 by mistert |
I don't think you can really pin the blame on Ashton for the targets, that's down to the recruitment team as a whole. Yes, Ashton is responsible for getting deals done but you can't put Muric on him, for example. There is (or should be) a whole team behind this (including McKenna obviously). |
Who’s responsible for recruiting the recruitment team.., try saying that after a beer.
Mark gave KM a champions league contract, and he panicked in truth.
He’s brought in the entire off field team and that’s a huge part of his role.., strategy.
So there’s no ambiguity, he is 100% accountable for how they perform.
I’m genuinely shocked how some people think organising the basics, like painting the ground makes him elite.., that’s the basics, no CEO has ever failed to add additional camera positions etc
It’s the off the field team and structure which define a CEO and Nark isn’t terrible, he’s actually a good operator at EFL level.., but he’s 2/10 at the level above and he really hasn’t built anything strategic, in spite of revenue sky rocketing and spending going though the roof.
That’s in or off the pitch.
I’m surprised it’s controversial - some awful business done.., and eye watering sums to do it.
Young, on a free, and 40!!! Is TWO levels above the players we spent £150 million on.
This isn’t a happy camp.., and we are for sale.., the owners have clearly lost trust in Ashton.., it does look like this time last year he massively over promised.
If we weren’t for sale.., I suspect he’d have gone this summer.
Wycombe, Watford, they don’t have much good to say about Mark, he just doesn’t have the toolbox at the highest level.
No shame in that, but we should accept it, the blind fantasy some fans built in their heads is almost cult like.., based on literally finishing second to a poor Plymouth side.., with twice their budget.., and one unbelievable season, where it looks like legacy players like Sam were the motivational force behind the success.., not Ashton and McKenna - who has looked lost motivationally for a very long time | | | |
| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 15:23 - Aug 13 with 731 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
Poor and inaccurate assessment.
0/10 for content
I suspect you're a budgie, as you're repeating the oft quoted, but inaccurate, £150M spent. If you're going to use pseudonyms, I suggest mixing up the rhetoric content to make it less obvious. | | | |
| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 15:25 - Aug 13 with 717 views | Bobbychase |
| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 15:01 - Aug 13 by chantryblueboy |
One word for you: irrelevant |
Why. Please explain | |
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| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 15:31 - Aug 13 with 676 views | chantryblueboy |
| Mark Ashton quietly getting away with it on 15:25 - Aug 13 by Bobbychase |
Why. Please explain |
You could have made the same Chansiri argument in defence of Marcus Evans who was useless and running the club into the ground. Yes Ashton isn’t on Chansiri’s level but should that make him exempt from criticism? | | | |
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