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Provide proof that they are housed in 4 or 5 star hotels. Or withdraw the lie. You're just a pathetic nasty sh1t stirrer of the worst kind. Germany 1936 wants you back
Novotel, Ipswich has a 4* rating and has previously been used to accommodate asylum seekers.
Britannia Hotels, every year rated worst hotel chain and with good reason, are making a fortune out of this.
The problem is not that hotels are used but people are staying in them far too long due to the delay in decisions brung made on asylum applications.
There were some given out during Covid because people were literally restricted like the rest of us. But now fake “ex employee” videos pop up every so often saying things like they can all choose Samsung or iPhone and get a wad of cash each week.
As you can imagine you’d have to be a dim bulb not to see that for what it is.
Baffled to see budgie getting involved and yet not. Facts eh?
The Boats keep coming on 07:38 - Aug 14 by onceablue
Xenophobic are you joking.
I have no problem with anything strange or Foreign I can assure you.
But as I said in my OP how do we pay for it that is the issue here nothing else and as much as you want to throw insults at me call me far right racist etc that just isn’t so.
The cost of asylum hotels comes largely out of the foreign aid budget, which then means less of that budget goes overseas. Some funding for asylum is coated into the Home Office budget, because we're always going to have a responsibility to enable people to seek asylum here, and rightly so. This has been widely reported on, they aren't having to find new money: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgmjd8evd0go
Let's face the truth. This has only been a problem since Brexit. The Brexit that was meant to control our borders and stop immigration. The Brexit all the right wing nut jobs, racists and xenophobes lied and truth-twisted people to support.
Immigration has gone up since, almost all of it people of "a different colour or race". The people Brexit supporters wanted to stop or get rid of.
If we were in the EU there would be: 1) legal routes to entry 2) through the Dublin agreement migrants could be legally and quickly returned to the first safe EU country they arrived in
The Government has been as craven in appeasing the Reform UK racists and idiots as the last lot. If they grew a pair and rejoined the Single Market with a view to rejoining the EU - which at least two-thirds of the country support, this (and many other, mainly economic), problems) would be solved.
But they appease Farage, who has 90% of the media in his pocket, including the allegedly impartial BBC. The BBC lead most news bulletins with small boats, they are becoming Farage's propaganda arm.
We must stop sleepwalking into a horrible, racist, fascist future. If only there were some brave and principled politicians at the very top to enable this.
The Boats keep coming on 08:44 - Aug 14 by bracknell_blue
Let's face the truth. This has only been a problem since Brexit. The Brexit that was meant to control our borders and stop immigration. The Brexit all the right wing nut jobs, racists and xenophobes lied and truth-twisted people to support.
Immigration has gone up since, almost all of it people of "a different colour or race". The people Brexit supporters wanted to stop or get rid of.
If we were in the EU there would be: 1) legal routes to entry 2) through the Dublin agreement migrants could be legally and quickly returned to the first safe EU country they arrived in
The Government has been as craven in appeasing the Reform UK racists and idiots as the last lot. If they grew a pair and rejoined the Single Market with a view to rejoining the EU - which at least two-thirds of the country support, this (and many other, mainly economic), problems) would be solved.
But they appease Farage, who has 90% of the media in his pocket, including the allegedly impartial BBC. The BBC lead most news bulletins with small boats, they are becoming Farage's propaganda arm.
We must stop sleepwalking into a horrible, racist, fascist future. If only there were some brave and principled politicians at the very top to enable this.
I’m bitterly disappointed with the media stuff government approach you mention. It’s been annoying me for ages now.
The big problem is the police and courts are another facet of society the Tories have cut to the bone. So trying to enforce a lot of laws around racism and public disorder is difficult. Given the migrant hotel protests are organised by the far right, I think there needs to be more done to arrest and prosecute those at the root of this disorder and misinformation.
Trump winning the election also seems to have some disastrous secondhand effects here. The “free speech” rhetoric etc adds to the ecosystem of ignorance and anger that’s whipped up people like the OP it seems.
I’m bitterly disappointed with the media stuff government approach you mention. It’s been annoying me for ages now.
The big problem is the police and courts are another facet of society the Tories have cut to the bone. So trying to enforce a lot of laws around racism and public disorder is difficult. Given the migrant hotel protests are organised by the far right, I think there needs to be more done to arrest and prosecute those at the root of this disorder and misinformation.
Trump winning the election also seems to have some disastrous secondhand effects here. The “free speech” rhetoric etc adds to the ecosystem of ignorance and anger that’s whipped up people like the OP it seems.
You can't even report posts for being racist or homophobic or transphobic on Facebook anymore, unless the post constitutes a hate crime and the bar for that is very high. So as long as you're not inviting violence, you can say things on Facebook that are demonstrably prejudicial to people of colour and to the LGBTQ+ community, and Facebook couldn't care less. I once posted "F*** America" and had my account suspended for 48 hours. Interesting times we live in.
I’m bitterly disappointed with the media stuff government approach you mention. It’s been annoying me for ages now.
The big problem is the police and courts are another facet of society the Tories have cut to the bone. So trying to enforce a lot of laws around racism and public disorder is difficult. Given the migrant hotel protests are organised by the far right, I think there needs to be more done to arrest and prosecute those at the root of this disorder and misinformation.
Trump winning the election also seems to have some disastrous secondhand effects here. The “free speech” rhetoric etc adds to the ecosystem of ignorance and anger that’s whipped up people like the OP it seems.
There are evidently sufficient police officers to arrest hundreds of pensioners silently holding placards.
The Boats keep coming on 09:02 - Aug 14 by TractorWood
There are evidently sufficient police officers to arrest hundreds of pensioners silently holding placards.
Indeed. But it does take much police work to act upon when you’re on the street to police a protest etc. it’s what makes these far right protests and the Farage rights all the more galling.
Had they targeted the organisation levels of that protest I’d have understood more.
The Boats keep coming on 21:29 - Aug 13 by WeirdFishes
Getting very boring now. We get it, you don’t like Labour. Can’t you post your moans on a Tory forum?
No good posting on a Tory forum they aren't the ones in power. But then what difference does it make this useless lot totally ignore protests and hide behind the European human rights and the laws brought in by the Blair government. Strange that, seeing as his wife was a human rights lawyer. No I am not saying the Tories were in any way good over their fourteen years in power. It is to the shame that governments going back a long time that the country is in such a mess where we have millions not working and thousands coming in on the boats. It would be good that a government and I really don't care what colour put Britain first and were not more interested in what they could get out of it themselves. Also many people who are capable of working got of their backsides and worked. But then when you can get as much as someone working and a lot of freebies as well why should they. I have no problem with those who really cannot work or immigrants who come here to work and are of use to the country.
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The Boats keep coming on 09:39 - Aug 14 with 356 views
The Boats keep coming on 07:38 - Aug 14 by onceablue
Xenophobic are you joking.
I have no problem with anything strange or Foreign I can assure you.
But as I said in my OP how do we pay for it that is the issue here nothing else and as much as you want to throw insults at me call me far right racist etc that just isn’t so.
We pay for our obligation to provide sanctuary to a very small amount of the people seeking asylum the same way we pay for anything else. We set and commit to a budget. It’s not hard. We don’t even need to find a new budget because we are borrowing from our international aid budget.
I think you actually make some good points at times, but you spoil them because they come wrapped in a package of bitterness and hate and they are also undermined (sometimes) by repetitions of lies spread by nefarious actors. Maybe you could check and challenge some of the lies you’re reading before peddling them on here.
The Boats keep coming on 08:44 - Aug 14 by bracknell_blue
Let's face the truth. This has only been a problem since Brexit. The Brexit that was meant to control our borders and stop immigration. The Brexit all the right wing nut jobs, racists and xenophobes lied and truth-twisted people to support.
Immigration has gone up since, almost all of it people of "a different colour or race". The people Brexit supporters wanted to stop or get rid of.
If we were in the EU there would be: 1) legal routes to entry 2) through the Dublin agreement migrants could be legally and quickly returned to the first safe EU country they arrived in
The Government has been as craven in appeasing the Reform UK racists and idiots as the last lot. If they grew a pair and rejoined the Single Market with a view to rejoining the EU - which at least two-thirds of the country support, this (and many other, mainly economic), problems) would be solved.
But they appease Farage, who has 90% of the media in his pocket, including the allegedly impartial BBC. The BBC lead most news bulletins with small boats, they are becoming Farage's propaganda arm.
We must stop sleepwalking into a horrible, racist, fascist future. If only there were some brave and principled politicians at the very top to enable this.
agree with you about brexit being central to this. it has changed the pattern of immigration completely. not only has it increased the level of net immigration to historically unprecedented levels - tripling it after 2000 compared to pre-2016 - but it has changed the character of the migrants - we now have a much higher proportion who are unskilled and unqualified and many more who are economically inactive. pre-brexit the economic benefit from immigration was significantly positive, we now have a high proportion of low skilled migrants who are estimated to be a long-term net draw on public funds. the loss of the dublin agreement has also been a negative for the uk.
but i don't agree with the second part of your post which is just an attempt to frame any debate about the current level of immigration, and opposition to the current level, as 'racist', 'idiots', 'far right', 'propoganda', 'fascism' etc. it's the usual trick to delegitimise views on the current level of immigration that you disagree with rather than engage with those views. you quote claimed polling - well according to ipsos 2/3rds think current immigration is too high. if we want to avoid farage we need to engage with those people rather than try to paint the majority of the public as racists and idiots.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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The Boats keep coming on 09:54 - Aug 14 with 330 views
The Boats keep coming on 09:51 - Aug 14 by lowhouseblue
agree with you about brexit being central to this. it has changed the pattern of immigration completely. not only has it increased the level of net immigration to historically unprecedented levels - tripling it after 2000 compared to pre-2016 - but it has changed the character of the migrants - we now have a much higher proportion who are unskilled and unqualified and many more who are economically inactive. pre-brexit the economic benefit from immigration was significantly positive, we now have a high proportion of low skilled migrants who are estimated to be a long-term net draw on public funds. the loss of the dublin agreement has also been a negative for the uk.
but i don't agree with the second part of your post which is just an attempt to frame any debate about the current level of immigration, and opposition to the current level, as 'racist', 'idiots', 'far right', 'propoganda', 'fascism' etc. it's the usual trick to delegitimise views on the current level of immigration that you disagree with rather than engage with those views. you quote claimed polling - well according to ipsos 2/3rds think current immigration is too high. if we want to avoid farage we need to engage with those people rather than try to paint the majority of the public as racists and idiots.
It’s the far right pushing that narrative, you can disagree all you want but facts vs perception especially around crime and sexual abuse are all far right cornerstones.
You just seem to be increasingly in their side these days.
The people calling others bigots because they don't think a person's views are valid are basically just trying to shut down a conversation that is uncomfortable for them.
It would be nice if people can disagree without calling someone racist. It's clear that the government think the number of people crossing the channel is a problem otherwise why do they bother saying they will tackle it? Surely if it was all ok, we would just send our own boats to France and pick them up for free to stop the gangs profiting?
Other countries get to choose who come to their country. Why are we not shaming them?
It's just a discussion, each side can say what they want but it's always like one side is trying to stifle the other and make them out to be inferior.
The Boats keep coming on 09:24 - Aug 14 by OldFart71
No good posting on a Tory forum they aren't the ones in power. But then what difference does it make this useless lot totally ignore protests and hide behind the European human rights and the laws brought in by the Blair government. Strange that, seeing as his wife was a human rights lawyer. No I am not saying the Tories were in any way good over their fourteen years in power. It is to the shame that governments going back a long time that the country is in such a mess where we have millions not working and thousands coming in on the boats. It would be good that a government and I really don't care what colour put Britain first and were not more interested in what they could get out of it themselves. Also many people who are capable of working got of their backsides and worked. But then when you can get as much as someone working and a lot of freebies as well why should they. I have no problem with those who really cannot work or immigrants who come here to work and are of use to the country.
There were quite a few of us on here in the past warning about the attack on human rights and the impact on protest. The climate protestors faced the same treatment and were widely criticised/ridiculed on here, just because they want a better future for all of us. It’s bloody frustrating that only now we’ve got a Labour government that some of you are waking up after criticising us in the past.
But we are where we are. Yes, the government are sadly doubling down on limiting our rights to protest using its powers in questionable ways. Just hope and pray our courts remain independent otherwise we could go the same way as the US is heading.
If someone on benefits gets as much as someone working while companies post profits in the £billions, the issue isn’t the person on benefits.
The people calling others bigots because they don't think a person's views are valid are basically just trying to shut down a conversation that is uncomfortable for them.
It would be nice if people can disagree without calling someone racist. It's clear that the government think the number of people crossing the channel is a problem otherwise why do they bother saying they will tackle it? Surely if it was all ok, we would just send our own boats to France and pick them up for free to stop the gangs profiting?
Other countries get to choose who come to their country. Why are we not shaming them?
It's just a discussion, each side can say what they want but it's always like one side is trying to stifle the other and make them out to be inferior.
That’s a pathetic cop out. If someone says racist stuff, not calling it out is a moral failure. It’s atypical tactic of the racists to pretend their views are valid. We used to shoot Nazis not elect them.
“Valid concerns” being wrapped up with genuine issues are not worth tolerating. If people can express problems without racism that’s a different discussion entirely. But allowing the bigots to hide behind that, isn’t acceptable.
I can’t see anyone happy with the current situation, but we don’t need another Moseley or Powell these days.
It’s the far right pushing that narrative, you can disagree all you want but facts vs perception especially around crime and sexual abuse are all far right cornerstones.
You just seem to be increasingly in their side these days.
read the 'narrative' i've posted. saying 'it’s the far right pushing that narrative' is both nonsense and just an attempt to delegitimise the views of the majority of people in the uk. people have formed those views based on their own observations not because of anything the far right has pushed. people can form views which are different to yours without being puppets of the far right.
i haven't mentioned crime or sexual abuse. my bet is that housing is actually a bigger factor in why 2/3rds of people think immigration is too high. no one has ever been able to explain to me how we have had a housing crisis in the uk for a decade plus, but over 4 years we have absorbed net immigration of 3 million. how could there be a housing crisis if we were able to house without problem an additional 3 million people over a short period? in terms of social housing in many local authority areas 2/3rds of tenants are now foreign nationals. again the impact of that on many who grew up in those areas will be a bigger determinant of public views that the 'far right' stuff you mention.
if you try to shout people down by attaching 'the far right' tag rather than engaging with what really concerns them they'll just ignore you. working out why people disagree with you is far better than trying to delegitimise and stereotype them with political smears.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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The Boats keep coming on 10:15 - Aug 14 with 266 views
The Boats keep coming on 09:39 - Aug 14 by Swansea_Blue
We pay for our obligation to provide sanctuary to a very small amount of the people seeking asylum the same way we pay for anything else. We set and commit to a budget. It’s not hard. We don’t even need to find a new budget because we are borrowing from our international aid budget.
I think you actually make some good points at times, but you spoil them because they come wrapped in a package of bitterness and hate and they are also undermined (sometimes) by repetitions of lies spread by nefarious actors. Maybe you could check and challenge some of the lies you’re reading before peddling them on here.
We have over 100,000 people claiming asylum in the UK each year & this steadily rises. So does the number arriving in small boats (over 37,000 last year). The big problem is that, while IMO many of these are spurious claims, these still have to be processed, with asylum seekers using human rights lawyers & well versed in what sort of story is likely to bring success. Then appeals, etc. The cost of this is now well over £5bn each year and rising sharply. This should not be a party political issue - the Tories failed to deal with it despite 14 years in power & despite his promises, Starmer also has no answers. People are frustrated with this & hence they turn to Reform.
The Boats keep coming on 10:05 - Aug 14 by lowhouseblue
read the 'narrative' i've posted. saying 'it’s the far right pushing that narrative' is both nonsense and just an attempt to delegitimise the views of the majority of people in the uk. people have formed those views based on their own observations not because of anything the far right has pushed. people can form views which are different to yours without being puppets of the far right.
i haven't mentioned crime or sexual abuse. my bet is that housing is actually a bigger factor in why 2/3rds of people think immigration is too high. no one has ever been able to explain to me how we have had a housing crisis in the uk for a decade plus, but over 4 years we have absorbed net immigration of 3 million. how could there be a housing crisis if we were able to house without problem an additional 3 million people over a short period? in terms of social housing in many local authority areas 2/3rds of tenants are now foreign nationals. again the impact of that on many who grew up in those areas will be a bigger determinant of public views that the 'far right' stuff you mention.
if you try to shout people down by attaching 'the far right' tag rather than engaging with what really concerns them they'll just ignore you. working out why people disagree with you is far better than trying to delegitimise and stereotype them with political smears.
You were all over celebrating a “win” for a sexual abuse enquiry recently. I’m not the only person who noticed your swing to the far right narrative.
You can pseudo intellectualise it all you like, but what you post and the place you come from is pretty clear. Trying to isolate it to a thread by thread basis is pretty dishonest to me. When we’ve got Tories rushing to the far right, where do the real far right go? Even further that way.
We can dress it up as Overton window and all that academic stuff, but the fact is the reality vs the narrative and where people are moving to is really clear.
You were all over celebrating a “win” for a sexual abuse enquiry recently. I’m not the only person who noticed your swing to the far right narrative.
You can pseudo intellectualise it all you like, but what you post and the place you come from is pretty clear. Trying to isolate it to a thread by thread basis is pretty dishonest to me. When we’ve got Tories rushing to the far right, where do the real far right go? Even further that way.
We can dress it up as Overton window and all that academic stuff, but the fact is the reality vs the narrative and where people are moving to is really clear.
jeez, again your only response to someone who disagrees with you is to call them names and attempt to delegitimise them rather than engage with what they have posted. do you have any response to the arguments i've made? - rather than just labelling me as a bad person. 'intellectualise' and 'academic stuff' only works as an insult if you can actually counter what has been said.
yes i posted about the need for a national child grooming enquiry. that was something that you opposed but has now been accepted by the government. you will remember that my argument was that the grooming gang scandal was one of the greatest state failures in modern times involving state agencies - councils, the police, social services - failing to protect very vulnerable children despite thousands of children being raped and abused. my call was to have an enquiry so that public bodies and public servants could be fully held to account. if you think i posted anything other than that, or made any other claims then please do post a link. again can you engage with my argument - which is also now the government' position - or do you just want to use the issue in an attempt to point score?
but there's a pattern here. we have people online generally - and some on here specifically - who refuse to accept that any views other than their own can ever be held legitimately. if someone disagrees with them it isn't that that person has different views or experiences or values - it can only ever be that that person is flawed: they are idiots, or racists or far right or fascists. so what we end up with is a refusal to discuss ideas or engage in constructive argument and instead you attack anyone who disagrees with you, label them and claim that they are bad people and unworthy of debate. the systematic attempt to delegitimise disagreement and just to claim that anyone with different views to your is so deeply flawed as not to merit debate is an intellectual dead end pursued by people with no concept of critical thinking. you can of course label that as 'pseudo intellectualising' if it enables you to avoid engaging with it.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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The Boats keep coming on 11:32 - Aug 14 with 133 views
This isn't about cheap labour. It's not about illegal immigration. What we have to look at is the total net migration. It's huge. 1.3 million immigrants on universal credit. Huge. So what is the end game here? What are successive governments trying to achieve by allowing unchecked immigration both legal and illegal? But don't worry there're all coming to a hotel near you to fully integrate into our society. Free accommodation, free phones, free gambling money and free to work in the gig economy (tax free of course) Clearly the ruling classes have a plan for the Country. Figured it out yet?
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The Boats keep coming on 11:34 - Aug 14 with 126 views
If you voted for the Tories, if you voted for Brexit, this is your fault. You're the reason these people are in hotels, you're the reason they are coming in such numbers.
Don't be blaming others. You endorsed the things and people that brought us here.
I really doubt Brexit is a factor. The migrants were on their way or in camps prior to it. The main factor is the organised gangs facilitating the crossing and the French government playing lip service as they are happy to see the migants leave.
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The Boats keep coming on 11:40 - Aug 14 with 98 views
The Boats keep coming on 11:32 - Aug 14 by marcus1642
This isn't about cheap labour. It's not about illegal immigration. What we have to look at is the total net migration. It's huge. 1.3 million immigrants on universal credit. Huge. So what is the end game here? What are successive governments trying to achieve by allowing unchecked immigration both legal and illegal? But don't worry there're all coming to a hotel near you to fully integrate into our society. Free accommodation, free phones, free gambling money and free to work in the gig economy (tax free of course) Clearly the ruling classes have a plan for the Country. Figured it out yet?
If Governments could stop asylum seekers / actually illegal immigration tomorrow, they would. It serves them no purpose other than to get people annoyed.
In terms of migration, people are not having enough children, the population is getting older, and people are living longer with increasingly difficult health requirements. Retirees are increasingly making up a larger proportion of society, and we've given them a triple lock pension that goes up when the economy is not doing well.
So instead of attempting to tackle the actual issue (lack of children), we're relying on immigration to keep the whole thing running to a certain extent.
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