| Palmer’s first touch 20:00 - Aug 17 with 4420 views | Pinewoodblue |
When we passed the ball back to him his first touch, more often than not, was dreadful.
He kept having to step back to make his second touch.
The number of times he went to kick long then changed his mind and made an unconvincing short pass was worrying. |  |
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| Palmer’s first touch on 22:12 - Aug 17 with 907 views | ReusersTown |
| Palmer’s first touch on 20:18 - Aug 17 by Swailsey |
Honestly, Walton, Muric and Palmer have all underperformed compared to Vas. We should have kept him, unless we could bring in a world-beater, which we most certainly did not.
Feels a bit like he left under a cloud though, so it seems unlikely. |
Another unfair comparison with Muric, we never saw him in the Champ. |  | | |
| Palmer’s first touch on 22:35 - Aug 17 with 853 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Palmer’s first touch on 20:08 - Aug 17 by Kieran_Knows |
I can’t quite believe I’m saying this, but bring back Vas. |
Not for me. Better with his feet yes, but in all other respects I’d rather have the keepers that we have | |
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| Seems an obvious solution.... on 22:38 - Aug 17 with 853 views | DublinBlue84 |
| Seems an obvious solution.... on 20:15 - Aug 17 by Bloots |
....to a problem that's far bigger than most fans seem willing to accept.
I suspect some "humble pie" might have to be eaten somewhere if he did come back though. |
I said this when he left saying that him leaving would unsettle the team and he should be kept around in some shape or other as the players know the way he plays and have built a defensive unit together.
I got huge amounts of downvotes saying that he was nowhere near good enough and that he was one of the weak links in the team and each time I brought it up I got ridiculed.
So a lot of people on this board will need to eat humble pie as well. | |
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| Palmer’s first touch on 22:40 - Aug 17 with 840 views | Swailsey |
| Palmer’s first touch on 22:12 - Aug 17 by ReusersTown |
Another unfair comparison with Muric, we never saw him in the Champ. |
His errors were not league specific. Running off your line, flapping at balls and passing poorly are the same whatever league. |  |
| Who said: "Colin Healy made Cesc Fabregas look like Colin Healy"? | We miss you TLA |
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| Palmer’s first touch on 22:44 - Aug 17 with 829 views | ReusersTown |
| Palmer’s first touch on 22:40 - Aug 17 by Swailsey |
His errors were not league specific. Running off your line, flapping at balls and passing poorly are the same whatever league. |
So the premier league is a massive step apart from for keepers... Riiightttt. And out of interest what were these balls he was flapping at? He's the most commanding keeper from crosses I've seen in our goal.
And it isn't the same as the whole picture moves much quicker in the PL. [Post edited 17 Aug 22:45]
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| Palmer’s first touch on 22:52 - Aug 17 with 804 views | Swailsey |
| Palmer’s first touch on 22:44 - Aug 17 by ReusersTown |
So the premier league is a massive step apart from for keepers... Riiightttt. And out of interest what were these balls he was flapping at? He's the most commanding keeper from crosses I've seen in our goal.
And it isn't the same as the whole picture moves much quicker in the PL. [Post edited 17 Aug 22:45]
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You know what I mean. From what I have seen of him, I think he’s a step down from Vas: you don’t - and that’s perfectly ok. | |
| Who said: "Colin Healy made Cesc Fabregas look like Colin Healy"? | We miss you TLA |
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| Palmer’s first touch on 23:10 - Aug 17 with 759 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
I was happy with him last season probably as the demands on him using his feet were far less important and he did very well with his shot stopping. I was even convinced he could be the best division.
Im looking back on my assessment there and thinking I have got it wrong. He needs less of the shot stopping this season as we are a better team (relatively). He looks thoroughly unconvincing. So uncomfortable with the ball at feet, seems to struggle with passing at all levels, slow to move it, slow off his line and then when he did decide to race off his line today he decided to try and control it.
I would understand if the club looked for a new GK, surprised we didn't go for Rushworth. |  |
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| Palmer’s first touch on 09:24 - Aug 18 with 608 views | DJR |
Leaving aside the fact that Southampton pressed well, part of the issue is that Palmer didn't have the sort of options that were available when we had Woolfy, Morsy, Luongo, Cajuste, Philips and even Burgess in the team. Greaves in particular doesn't seem to be particularly keen to make himself available for the pass.
In any event, I am surprised that no one has mentioned the excellent save that Palmer made from a shot that might have beaten some keepers at the near post. [Post edited 18 Aug 9:25]
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| Palmer’s first touch on 09:26 - Aug 18 with 595 views | ReusersTown |
| Palmer’s first touch on 09:24 - Aug 18 by DJR |
Leaving aside the fact that Southampton pressed well, part of the issue is that Palmer didn't have the sort of options that were available when we had Woolfy, Morsy, Luongo, Cajuste, Philips and even Burgess in the team. Greaves in particular doesn't seem to be particularly keen to make himself available for the pass.
In any event, I am surprised that no one has mentioned the excellent save that Palmer made from a shot that might have beaten some keepers at the near post. [Post edited 18 Aug 9:25]
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Sky went completely overboard on that save tbh. If that had gone in everyone would be fuming. Not as fuming as if it was Muric though. | | | |
| Palmer is basically…. on 09:35 - Aug 18 with 572 views | Bloots |
| Palmer’s first touch on 09:26 - Aug 18 by ReusersTown |
Sky went completely overboard on that save tbh. If that had gone in everyone would be fuming. Not as fuming as if it was Muric though. |
….living off that save he made against Villa last season and the fact that sections of out fans were so anti-Muric.
As you say, the save he made yesterday was absolutely basic.
Not getting a decent keeper that fits our style of play is, along with not getting a striker in, a sad indictment of our recent transfer dealings. |  |
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| Palmer’s first touch on 09:45 - Aug 18 with 542 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Palmer’s first touch on 20:29 - Aug 17 by portmanking |
He isn't a step up from Walton. I did say that when we signed him in Jan. We'd have been better off sticking with Walton last season and spending time properly finding a long-term Hladky replacement rather than giving a sticking plaster a 3-4 year Prem contract.
Bizarrely though, Forest did make a move for Palmer this summer, but we turned it down (!) |
How would we have been better sticking off with Walton last season!? He was injured. That is why Palmer came in. Almer did well and he kept the gloves.
Palmer is NOT the problem. He's an excellent championship keeper. He'll build the relationships with he defenders and get better as well.
But the team are not clicking yet for various understandable reasons. And we need to get new players up to fitness and into the team (including ones we haven't signed yet). Palmer is so far down the list of issues. I think he will be a strength once we are firing.
Vaz is going to become Becker in people's minds in another 12 months. Unbelievable how a, despite a decent season, a weak link is being made out to be a genius keeper. He was good with his feet but a far inferior keeper to Palmer. Of course Vaz's feet and Palmer everything else would be class. | |
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| Palmer’s first touch on 09:49 - Aug 18 with 524 views | Bluemike31 |
Should never have let Hladky go, had nothing close to him since with the style we play. | | | |
| Palmer’s first touch on 10:48 - Aug 18 with 471 views | Rozz |
| Palmer’s first touch on 09:49 - Aug 18 by Bluemike31 |
Should never have let Hladky go, had nothing close to him since with the style we play. |
For balance, Hladky looked like he won a raffle to play in goal his first season, and even after becoming a complete revelation for us in the Championship, popular opinion on here was that he was not good enough for the Premier League. I think all of us would take Hladky of 23/24 back, but lots of water has passed under that bridge since.
All Championship keepers have glaring limitations. Palmer was brought in to solve a Premier League problem - he's not as well suited to our system in the Championship but let's see how he develops with game time and coaching. I would guess we've faced 2 of the best pressing sides in the League in our openers, without the luxury of a settled midfield and missing Morsy's ability to take the ball under pressure.
For me, I'd like a larger sample at this level before we write him off. |  | | |
| Palmer’s first touch on 11:30 - Aug 18 with 428 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Palmer’s first touch on 10:48 - Aug 18 by Rozz |
For balance, Hladky looked like he won a raffle to play in goal his first season, and even after becoming a complete revelation for us in the Championship, popular opinion on here was that he was not good enough for the Premier League. I think all of us would take Hladky of 23/24 back, but lots of water has passed under that bridge since.
All Championship keepers have glaring limitations. Palmer was brought in to solve a Premier League problem - he's not as well suited to our system in the Championship but let's see how he develops with game time and coaching. I would guess we've faced 2 of the best pressing sides in the League in our openers, without the luxury of a settled midfield and missing Morsy's ability to take the ball under pressure.
For me, I'd like a larger sample at this level before we write him off. |
This. | |
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| Seems an obvious solution.... on 12:28 - Aug 18 with 379 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Seems an obvious solution.... on 22:38 - Aug 17 by DublinBlue84 |
I said this when he left saying that him leaving would unsettle the team and he should be kept around in some shape or other as the players know the way he plays and have built a defensive unit together.
I got huge amounts of downvotes saying that he was nowhere near good enough and that he was one of the weak links in the team and each time I brought it up I got ridiculed.
So a lot of people on this board will need to eat humble pie as well. |
"So a lot of people on this board will need to eat humble pie as well."
Oh, have we re-signed Vaz then? |  |
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| Palmer is basically…. on 12:57 - Aug 18 with 350 views | mellowblue |
| Palmer is basically…. on 09:35 - Aug 18 by Bloots |
….living off that save he made against Villa last season and the fact that sections of out fans were so anti-Muric.
As you say, the save he made yesterday was absolutely basic.
Not getting a decent keeper that fits our style of play is, along with not getting a striker in, a sad indictment of our recent transfer dealings. |
bread and butter save. All day long. | | | |
| Palmer’s first touch on 13:22 - Aug 18 with 322 views | stonojnr |
| Palmer’s first touch on 20:27 - Aug 17 by Swansea_Blue |
He’s meant to be a decent keeper, but I’ve been surprised that he doesn’t appear much of a step up from Walton. Arguably a step down from Hladky in terms of how we want to play. He’s still ok though. |
If Muric had made those mistakes I dont think anyone would be saying it was OK. | | | |
| Palmer’s first touch on 15:52 - Aug 18 with 260 views | Broadbent23 |
I believe the new 8 sec rule has changed how goalkeepers handle the ball. Yesterday against Southampton he was nervy. It didn't help as there were few players happy to take a short pass. Then there were idiots like Armstrong trying to harass Palmer. Basically the whole team is trying to adapt to new tactics with a hangover from relegation. We have to be patient. | | | |
| Palmer’s first touch on 17:41 - Aug 18 with 201 views | burnbudgiesburn |
| Palmer’s first touch on 23:10 - Aug 17 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
I was happy with him last season probably as the demands on him using his feet were far less important and he did very well with his shot stopping. I was even convinced he could be the best division.
Im looking back on my assessment there and thinking I have got it wrong. He needs less of the shot stopping this season as we are a better team (relatively). He looks thoroughly unconvincing. So uncomfortable with the ball at feet, seems to struggle with passing at all levels, slow to move it, slow off his line and then when he did decide to race off his line today he decided to try and control it.
I would understand if the club looked for a new GK, surprised we didn't go for Rushworth. |
Rushworth is just as limited at the short passing game as Palmer is tbh
If we are going to play the same style, we'll need a gk who can play it or Palmer will have to improve with coaching.
Let's be honest, with hindsight... we give Vas a better contract, he only has to be average to be better in the Prem than our goalkeepers were. We save £10m and he's still our first choice this season.
Our gk situation is messy and muddled. | | | |
| Palmer’s first touch on 17:51 - Aug 18 with 169 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Palmer’s first touch on 09:49 - Aug 18 by Bluemike31 |
Should never have let Hladky go, had nothing close to him since with the style we play. |
Every keeper we have had since has been a superior goalkeeper to Vaz. Vaz played in a team on fire and he had a good season. He was at his absolute ceiling that champ season. His career will tell you at every club more than one season he's lost his place. Tell me another player so revered and so supposedly top quality where they eventually have to move at all their clubs because they lose their place.
Honestly Iike vaz, I think he had his most outstanding season for us, he will forever be a hero for that season but if you asked me to replace one player that year who played 15-20 games and still think we go up it would probo be him. | |
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