| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? 18:27 - Aug 30 with 3433 views | Blooos |
7 of the starting 11 were here last season, believe derby had 8 new players today. Is the same for most teams.
3 of the 4 games so far have been pi$$ poor and no getting around that. We have way too many good players on paper to be creating so little. |  | | |  |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 11:35 - Aug 31 with 618 views | DanTheMan |
I don't think yesterday had anything to do with gelling.
Said this in another thread but the biggest issues for me were:
- We don't deal with teams trying to break up the flow of the game well.
- We seem very fragile at the back and make mistakes in silly areas. Loads of people are having a go at Philogene and others, and yet I've seen almost nothing on O'Shea losing his marbles for their second or missing a header from a yard out. |  |
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| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 11:39 - Aug 31 with 589 views | pointofblue |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 11:35 - Aug 31 by DanTheMan |
I don't think yesterday had anything to do with gelling.
Said this in another thread but the biggest issues for me were:
- We don't deal with teams trying to break up the flow of the game well.
- We seem very fragile at the back and make mistakes in silly areas. Loads of people are having a go at Philogene and others, and yet I've seen almost nothing on O'Shea losing his marbles for their second or missing a header from a yard out. |
Second point. Exactly. I may be labouring the point but, if that was Woolfenden making those errors, there'd be thread after thread about how he's not good enough. He was at least partly at fault for the first as well.
Though he didn't miss the header from a yard out. That was Hirst. | |
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| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 11:45 - Aug 31 with 572 views | DanTheMan |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 11:39 - Aug 31 by pointofblue |
Second point. Exactly. I may be labouring the point but, if that was Woolfenden making those errors, there'd be thread after thread about how he's not good enough. He was at least partly at fault for the first as well.
Though he didn't miss the header from a yard out. That was Hirst. |
Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but didn't he have a header from a corner that hit the post? Or was that Hirst as well? | |
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| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 11:47 - Aug 31 with 566 views | Denny32 |
We keep going till we have gelled .and then let's gel the new team to get out off league 1 | | | |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 11:53 - Aug 31 with 546 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 18:31 - Aug 30 by bicester_blue |
Statistically we will need to break a record. No team with 3 points after round 4 has made top 2 in the last 10 seasons (haven’t checked back further). |
Sunderland 2006/2007 - yes, nearly 20 years ago, but I remember it well.
Doomed to relegation by many after 5 games, Champions by the end of the season.
Keep the faith - we have the players to do this, but it does need to click soon - particularly in front of goal, | | | |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 11:56 - Aug 31 with 539 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Id expect us to look a little disjointed with all the change we have gone through, that is common sense.
I would expect the team we had out there on the pitch to beat Derby at home after going 1-0 up. It was a really poor performance regardless of how many new signings we have. As was Preston. |  |
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| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 12:08 - Aug 31 with 522 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 18:45 - Aug 30 by ITFCSG |
We dispatched Derby easily in L1 home and away.
Close to £120 million net spending later we need a 106th minute penalty to beat them at home.
Progress? |
That's very simplistic and removes all context and nuance. |  |
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| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 12:21 - Aug 31 with 506 views | FrimleyBlue |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 18:36 - Aug 30 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
We’ve got one point from Derby and Preston. Talent alone should be enough to be seeing off today’s opposition at home with ease after taking a lead. They have more new players starting than us by the way.
Leicester have basically clawed back their apparent points deduction (if they ever get one) back on us. There should be some alarm bells. |
I'm just intrigued by what is deemed as an acceptable season as this start so far is making top 2 highly doubtful. It's a small amount of games. But that gap is growing and as we've seen at this level sometimes those gaps can't be caught. Some can of course too however.
I always felt august was gonna be awkward.. but I didn't expect 0 wins. |  |
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| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 12:25 - Aug 31 with 496 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 18:45 - Aug 30 by ITFCSG |
We dispatched Derby easily in L1 home and away.
Close to £120 million net spending later we need a 106th minute penalty to beat them at home.
Progress? |
We dispatched Derby easily in L1 home and away.
Is that intended as a serious point? None of the players on the pitch were the same. It's like comparing an orange with an sea cucumber.
Oh, BTW, we didn't actually beat them yesterday - did you watch the game? [Post edited 31 Aug 12:27]
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| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 12:26 - Aug 31 with 493 views | pointofblue |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 11:45 - Aug 31 by DanTheMan |
Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but didn't he have a header from a corner that hit the post? Or was that Hirst as well? |
Oh in the first half. Yes, he hit the post from a corner - had forgotten about that one. | |
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| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 12:50 - Aug 31 with 458 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 11:09 - Aug 31 by MK1 |
Personally, never. These are professional footballers who can adapt. If the manager is asking too much to soon, then.... |
You're a fool if you don't think gelling is a real thing in a team sport. | |
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| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 13:02 - Aug 31 with 431 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 12:50 - Aug 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You're a fool if you don't think gelling is a real thing in a team sport. |
Not sure many are disputing that in fairness (if they are then it’s a poor take). But probably other teams with more turnover have managed better than us. We should have enough quality to at least fumble a win.
I think we will improve, but it’s up to KM to start getting points on the board quickly given we are biggest spenders in the league. | | | |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 13:04 - Aug 31 with 429 views | FrimleyBlue |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 12:50 - Aug 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You're a fool if you don't think gelling is a real thing in a team sport. |
Gelling is a thing but surely it's more sensible during that gelling stage to keep the game as natural for players as possible.. for example the Davis nverted role. Remove that and let him be the fullback he was whilst we bring players into the squad. [Post edited 31 Aug 13:07]
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| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 13:12 - Aug 31 with 413 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 13:04 - Aug 31 by FrimleyBlue |
Gelling is a thing but surely it's more sensible during that gelling stage to keep the game as natural for players as possible.. for example the Davis nverted role. Remove that and let him be the fullback he was whilst we bring players into the squad. [Post edited 31 Aug 13:07]
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But then you gel playing a different game style / a different role, and have to re-gel when you're asked to change how you and the team play. | | | |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 13:14 - Aug 31 with 408 views | FrimleyBlue |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 13:12 - Aug 31 by SuffolkPunchFC |
But then you gel playing a different game style / a different role, and have to re-gel when you're asked to change how you and the team play. |
Yeah i get that aspect. Just curious why we are so keen to invert him when it doesn't help us | |
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| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 13:24 - Aug 31 with 396 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 13:14 - Aug 31 by FrimleyBlue |
Yeah i get that aspect. Just curious why we are so keen to invert him when it doesn't help us |
His changed role looked very good in pre-season. I think there were even many comments on the forum about how exciting the change was. | | | |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 13:56 - Aug 31 with 361 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 13:02 - Aug 31 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Not sure many are disputing that in fairness (if they are then it’s a poor take). But probably other teams with more turnover have managed better than us. We should have enough quality to at least fumble a win.
I think we will improve, but it’s up to KM to start getting points on the board quickly given we are biggest spenders in the league. |
To the question, "How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick?" MK1 responded, "Personally, never." That's what I was replying to. | |
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| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 14:41 - Aug 31 with 317 views | blueoutlook |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 11:27 - Aug 31 by jasondozzell |
Yes but he was in and out of the side last year.
I'm just pointing out that the idea we had a settled side is just not true. |
The Clarke thing doesn’t wash. He isn’t new. Even if he was in and out of the side he trained every bloody day, so he should understand the tactics! |  | | |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 15:29 - Aug 31 with 275 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 11:20 - Aug 31 by Swailsey |
Clarke joined over a year ago! |
Another poster last week was including Jack Taylor as a ‘new’ player that started against Preston, as he hadn’t been a regular starter last season. Mind boggling |  |
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| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 15:36 - Aug 31 with 264 views | jasondozzell |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 14:41 - Aug 31 by blueoutlook |
The Clarke thing doesn’t wash. He isn’t new. Even if he was in and out of the side he trained every bloody day, so he should understand the tactics! |
It doesn't work like that. Nothing can replicate game time and the familiarity of patterns and players.
We've had a lot of upheaval and it's been hard to name the first choice side for a while now. Clarke has been part of that upheaval. I don't think there's been much rhythm for various reasons including the fact that his form hasn't been great since joining.
If you're determined to argue that this side should all be clicking and players like Clarke have had a settled start to their Town career then so be it, but I don't agree. |  | | |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 15:38 - Aug 31 with 261 views | itfcsuth |
Always think 10 games is a good metric and indication for how the season may unfold for someone.
It’s not a gimmick, it’s a statement of fact, this group needs to gel - for 1 reason or another, they just haven’t played enough games together, that is evident to see with such a lack of cohesion on display.
On comes with repetition, and TIME. |  | | |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 16:30 - Aug 31 with 222 views | itfc_statman |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 15:36 - Aug 31 by jasondozzell |
It doesn't work like that. Nothing can replicate game time and the familiarity of patterns and players.
We've had a lot of upheaval and it's been hard to name the first choice side for a while now. Clarke has been part of that upheaval. I don't think there's been much rhythm for various reasons including the fact that his form hasn't been great since joining.
If you're determined to argue that this side should all be clicking and players like Clarke have had a settled start to their Town career then so be it, but I don't agree. |
To be fair you were positive we were going to stay up despite literally every piece of evidence to the contrary... | | | |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 16:51 - Aug 31 with 202 views | phillymark |
For me, 2 game after the break. | | | |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 20:00 - Aug 31 with 107 views | ITFCSG |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 15:36 - Aug 31 by jasondozzell |
It doesn't work like that. Nothing can replicate game time and the familiarity of patterns and players.
We've had a lot of upheaval and it's been hard to name the first choice side for a while now. Clarke has been part of that upheaval. I don't think there's been much rhythm for various reasons including the fact that his form hasn't been great since joining.
If you're determined to argue that this side should all be clicking and players like Clarke have had a settled start to their Town career then so be it, but I don't agree. |
B0ll0cks.
Have you watched the Sunderland PL games this season? 7-8 new players in their starting XI and look impressive. None of this sideways and backwards aimless tippy tappy to nowhere
Leeds has 5 new players in their starting XI at St James Park. They drew 0-0. We lost 3-0.
You tell me the new Sunlun and Leeds squad have plenty of game time together so far?
"Gelling" is pure bs. | | | |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 20:45 - Aug 31 with 77 views | jasondozzell |
| How long do we keep going with the ‘new team has to gel’ gimmick? on 16:30 - Aug 31 by itfc_statman |
To be fair you were positive we were going to stay up despite literally every piece of evidence to the contrary... |
I never claimed to be the oracle of all knowledge!
For what it's worth, I think we had a decent chance to stay up, yes. I think in the first half of the season we showed the qualities that could have seen us do so and competed well in most games. We suffered from not getting that win earlier and then found it hard to keep momentum going into a second half of the season which became very tough.
Probably a fully firing and fit Kalvin Phillips and not losing Tuanzebe and who knows.
It was a strange season. We weren't good enough but we weren't as bad as it looked either. | | | |
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