| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back 23:22 - Aug 30 with 2377 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Just how badly Palmer is in no man’s land! As poor as it is that the runner had that much space, Davis is covering and it would have been probably a decent but difficult chance rather than a clear 1:1.
Ugh every goal conceded this year we’ve played such a major a part in and usually not just one player either! [Post edited 30 Aug 23:22]
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| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back on 23:56 - Aug 30 with 1883 views | Esseeja |
I might be too harsh, but I think the second goal as well, he didn't do that well. His footwork lets him down before he goes to dive low for it so when he did dive it was sub-optimal at best. O'Shea should never have gone to chest it though, let alone lose the ball that easily shortly after. [Post edited 30 Aug 23:58]
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| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back on 00:16 - Aug 31 with 1809 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back on 23:56 - Aug 30 by Esseeja |
I might be too harsh, but I think the second goal as well, he didn't do that well. His footwork lets him down before he goes to dive low for it so when he did dive it was sub-optimal at best. O'Shea should never have gone to chest it though, let alone lose the ball that easily shortly after. [Post edited 30 Aug 23:58]
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Every goal conceded has been really poor and had errors from multiple players. | |
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| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back on 08:21 - Aug 31 with 1479 views | tonybied |
| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back on 00:16 - Aug 31 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Every goal conceded has been really poor and had errors from multiple players. |
It's just a continuation of last season, and not a real surprise, as 3 of the back 4 and the keeper are the same players that were making these errors then. Their confidence is shot. We need a couple of wins, and fairly sharpish, to get this monkey off our backs. |  | | |
| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back on 08:26 - Aug 31 with 1453 views | bazza |
| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back on 08:21 - Aug 31 by tonybied |
It's just a continuation of last season, and not a real surprise, as 3 of the back 4 and the keeper are the same players that were making these errors then. Their confidence is shot. We need a couple of wins, and fairly sharpish, to get this monkey off our backs. |
A stronger midfield would help, morsy and luongo dug us out of a lot of trouble at times. I hope Nunez stays fit, I think him and cajuste could form a decent partnership. |  | | |
| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back on 08:33 - Aug 31 with 1401 views | WeWereZombies |
| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back on 08:26 - Aug 31 by bazza |
A stronger midfield would help, morsy and luongo dug us out of a lot of trouble at times. I hope Nunez stays fit, I think him and cajuste could form a decent partnership. |
Matusiwa didn't have his best game yesterday but, if McKenna sticks with a midfield two, I don't think we can write him off yet. |  |
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| Related point…. on 08:38 - Aug 31 with 1384 views | Bloots |
….but Palmer just never looks like he’s gonna make anything other than the most basic of saves.
Certainly not a save that is going to “surprise” you anyway.
Any one on one he faces is basically a goal, as is any shot vaguely in the corners.
He’s just a bang average goalminder at the very best.
This is obviously just my opinion, other opinions are available. |  |
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| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back on 08:47 - Aug 31 with 1334 views | BloomBlue |
Sir Alex always said, if you analyse every goal conceded, it contains an error by the defending team - thats football.
He also continued that comment and said, but the team scoring will always view it as great football - thats football. |  | | |
| Related point…. on 08:49 - Aug 31 with 1317 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| Related point…. on 08:38 - Aug 31 by Bloots |
….but Palmer just never looks like he’s gonna make anything other than the most basic of saves.
Certainly not a save that is going to “surprise” you anyway.
Any one on one he faces is basically a goal, as is any shot vaguely in the corners.
He’s just a bang average goalminder at the very best.
This is obviously just my opinion, other opinions are available. |
for all the riches we have and multi million pound players in so may areas, we don't have a single keeper that is decent. Nothing would please me more than to see a good keeper come in on deadline day. |  |
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| Related point…. on 08:51 - Aug 31 with 1280 views | Dubtractor |
| Related point…. on 08:38 - Aug 31 by Bloots |
….but Palmer just never looks like he’s gonna make anything other than the most basic of saves.
Certainly not a save that is going to “surprise” you anyway.
Any one on one he faces is basically a goal, as is any shot vaguely in the corners.
He’s just a bang average goalminder at the very best.
This is obviously just my opinion, other opinions are available. |
He's basically the same as Walton. Solid enough, but does nothing remarkable.
That point about shots in the corner, or pretty much any shot on the ground, definitely applies to him and Walton. |  |
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| Related point…. on 08:54 - Aug 31 with 1231 views | urbanblue |
| Related point…. on 08:49 - Aug 31 by LegendofthePhoenix |
for all the riches we have and multi million pound players in so may areas, we don't have a single keeper that is decent. Nothing would please me more than to see a good keeper come in on deadline day. |
Agree. Every successful promoted team has not a good, but a great goalkeeper. Unfortunately, Palmer isn't that far up the scale. I mean, these two penalties we conceded. I never thought for one second that he would possibly make the save. |  | | |
| Yep, it would certainly…. on 09:00 - Aug 31 with 1193 views | Bloots |
| Related point…. on 08:51 - Aug 31 by Dubtractor |
He's basically the same as Walton. Solid enough, but does nothing remarkable.
That point about shots in the corner, or pretty much any shot on the ground, definitely applies to him and Walton. |
….be difficult to have an argument about which of them is the worse keeper.
Neither of them have any part of their game that you could consider to be strong.
Of our last 4 keepers, I’d probably say that the only areas of strength that we’ve had have been Muric’s ability to deal with crosses and Hladky’s distribution. But Muric’s positive was outweighed by his high “cock-up potential”.
On that basis Hladky was our best recent keeper based purely on his decent distribution ability and the mediocrity of the rest of his game.
As noted by others, it’s really not been a position that the management/recruitment team have excelled in during the good times, despite the riches at our disposal. | |
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| Yep, it would certainly…. on 09:09 - Aug 31 with 1113 views | WeWereZombies |
| Yep, it would certainly…. on 09:00 - Aug 31 by Bloots |
….be difficult to have an argument about which of them is the worse keeper.
Neither of them have any part of their game that you could consider to be strong.
Of our last 4 keepers, I’d probably say that the only areas of strength that we’ve had have been Muric’s ability to deal with crosses and Hladky’s distribution. But Muric’s positive was outweighed by his high “cock-up potential”.
On that basis Hladky was our best recent keeper based purely on his decent distribution ability and the mediocrity of the rest of his game.
As noted by others, it’s really not been a position that the management/recruitment team have excelled in during the good times, despite the riches at our disposal. |
Hladky had a stature and alertness too, he always looked ready for action, whereas the other three looked ready for reaction and that can translate into nervousness. That being said he wasn't even on the bench for Burnley yesterday. | |
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| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back on 09:10 - Aug 31 with 1104 views | DavoIPB |
| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back on 08:33 - Aug 31 by WeWereZombies |
Matusiwa didn't have his best game yesterday but, if McKenna sticks with a midfield two, I don't think we can write him off yet. |
Thought he had his best game. Really got the game going and some real defence splitting passes. Our midfield was not our weak point yesterday | | | |
| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back on 09:11 - Aug 31 with 1091 views | Simonds92 |
I think he saves it without Leif blocking it to be honest. | | | |
| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back on 09:13 - Aug 31 with 1072 views | Kieran_Knows |
I’m sorry, but he’s cr4p. Get a new number 1 above all else by 7pm tomorrow. |  |
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| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back on 09:23 - Aug 31 with 1003 views | Libero |
| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back on 00:16 - Aug 31 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Every goal conceded has been really poor and had errors from multiple players. |
I agree with your OP, however, point of order- the vast majority of all goals in football are due to ‘errors’ |  | | |
| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back on 09:34 - Aug 31 with 926 views | CopfordBlue |
Look, we need to make do with a steady, experienced, mid-table championship level keeper. We’ve never had millions to spend on a keeper. I’m sure if we did we’d invest it wisely. Anyway, all the best teams, especially those who like to play out from the back, make do with an adequate keeper - Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal. You’ve only got to look at Man U now or Spurs last season to realise how unimportant it is to have a top level goalie. | |
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| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back on 09:37 - Aug 31 with 897 views | Plums |
| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back on 09:11 - Aug 31 by Simonds92 |
I think he saves it without Leif blocking it to be honest. |
Presumably so did the ref otherwise Leif was going for an early bath - which is what the TalkSport commentary team thought was about to happen. |  |
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| Related point…. on 09:40 - Aug 31 with 876 views | gringoblue |
| Related point…. on 08:54 - Aug 31 by urbanblue |
Agree. Every successful promoted team has not a good, but a great goalkeeper. Unfortunately, Palmer isn't that far up the scale. I mean, these two penalties we conceded. I never thought for one second that he would possibly make the save. |
While I don't disagree that Palmer is just an ok keeper, Leeds had an absolutely honking goalkeeper last season and got promoted despite him. The exact opposite of Burnley who were promoted because of their keeper. |  | | |
| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back on 09:42 - Aug 31 with 861 views | HighgateBlue |
| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back on 09:13 - Aug 31 by Kieran_Knows |
I’m sorry, but he’s cr4p. Get a new number 1 above all else by 7pm tomorrow. |
This is certainly not going to happen.
But the GK department is just another example of what we've seen in all areas of the pitch in the last 15 months. Lots of money spent, for no tangible improvement, and in many cases obvious weakening.
Is Palmer better than Hladky was in the promotion season? Is Greaves better than Burgess was? You can carry on like that pretty much all over the pitch.
The departure of Muric constitutes an admission that his recruitment was an expensive failure. And he was far from being the only one. We need massive, rapid, improvement or else proper accountability. |  | | |
| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back on 09:44 - Aug 31 with 842 views | tractor_lady |
| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back on 09:10 - Aug 31 by DavoIPB |
Thought he had his best game. Really got the game going and some real defence splitting passes. Our midfield was not our weak point yesterday |
Absolutely agree and he started coming to take the ball off Palmer more yesterday, some lovely turns, thought we bossed the midfield for a change this season. The pairing works! It was our absolute lack of creativity that killed it for us.. | | | |
| Related point…. on 09:59 - Aug 31 with 782 views | Simonds92 |
| Related point…. on 09:40 - Aug 31 by gringoblue |
While I don't disagree that Palmer is just an ok keeper, Leeds had an absolutely honking goalkeeper last season and got promoted despite him. The exact opposite of Burnley who were promoted because of their keeper. |
And a few seasons ago Burnley had Muric.
Think Palmer is plenty good enough in the traditional aspects of a goalkeeper but he isn't great with the ball at his feet. Chaplin was on from goal kicks all day yesterday with nobody around him but he doesn't have the vision or ability to find him.
In all honesty Hladky's ability with his feet was a key reason for us splitting defences open 2 years ago and he's just another to add to the list of players we've replaced with other players who aren't as good / don't suit how we play. | | | |
| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back on 10:06 - Aug 31 with 753 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back on 09:10 - Aug 31 by DavoIPB |
Thought he had his best game. Really got the game going and some real defence splitting passes. Our midfield was not our weak point yesterday |
Midfield looked fine until Jens ran out of gas, which is unsurprising given his pre season | |
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| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back on 10:09 - Aug 31 with 732 views | _clive_baker_ |
Both goals were soft as sh1t. We’d got ourselves into a really good position at half time, failed to get a 2nd though when we had some decent chances (O’Shea has to score that header at the back post) and gifted them 2 absolutely honking goals. So frustrating. |  | | |
| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back on 10:15 - Aug 31 with 697 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Didn’t realize for their Pen until I’ve watched it back on 23:56 - Aug 30 by Esseeja |
I might be too harsh, but I think the second goal as well, he didn't do that well. His footwork lets him down before he goes to dive low for it so when he did dive it was sub-optimal at best. O'Shea should never have gone to chest it though, let alone lose the ball that easily shortly after. [Post edited 30 Aug 23:58]
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He could have come out further, due to the covering defenders, and I feel that he is too far to his right as the shot comes in.
If I am being honest I would put peak Shane Supple comfortably above him, and Bart a clear division above.
We could have had the lad from Plymouth, who is now at Sheffield United, Michael Cooper...
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