| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? 09:29 - Aug 31 with 1677 views | Dubtractor |
The last 2 games have been as bad as the likes of Accrington and Wycombe when we were in league 1.
I don't remember it being that bad, even when we were the team to beat on the second half of the season.
McKenna had a bit of a grumble about it in his post match presser, and there is a risk it comes over as excuse making, but he's got a point too.
We're going to need to work out how to play against it, and soon, but any illusions we had of watching better football matches this season have been somewhat crushed! |  |
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| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 09:39 - Aug 31 with 1527 views | OldFart71 |
I was following the game on BBC and looking at how the play went it was either fouls against Town players or Derby players pretending to be injured and a load of subs in extra time hence the 19 minutes of extra time.
We need to be better and should be when the new players come in and are integrated.
Derby got what they deserved with Town's equaliser.
But being the big fish we need to be more aware of sh*housery. |  | | |
| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 09:43 - Aug 31 with 1491 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
I think it’s context. Last time out we were newly promoted and with a relatively cheap squad (in comparison to the parachute teams). Therefore opposition were more willing to take the game to us.
Now WE are the parachute team with over £150m of players the opposition is going to give us more respect, and try and grind things out. Look at the games Leeds lost when they were chasing us for promotion- mostly low block where teams nicked a goal. We’ll face a lot of this now, as we did as the biggest spenders in League One. | | | |
| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 09:48 - Aug 31 with 1458 views | textbackup |
That’s second half was a joke, Derby didn’t want to play football (yet scored twice) that said, we should have gone into HT 2/3-0… we only have ourselves to blame |  |
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| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 09:53 - Aug 31 with 1414 views | Dubtractor |
| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 09:48 - Aug 31 by textbackup |
That’s second half was a joke, Derby didn’t want to play football (yet scored twice) that said, we should have gone into HT 2/3-0… we only have ourselves to blame |
Absolutely the reason we didn't win yesterday was due to our own shortcomings, not scoring more from the chances we created, and weak defensively.
Im not making excuses for the result, but definitely not enjoying the spectacle so far this season! | |
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| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 09:58 - Aug 31 with 1376 views | jasondozzell |
| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 09:53 - Aug 31 by Dubtractor |
Absolutely the reason we didn't win yesterday was due to our own shortcomings, not scoring more from the chances we created, and weak defensively.
Im not making excuses for the result, but definitely not enjoying the spectacle so far this season! |
Yes, agree that we let Derby make it the game they wanted through being caught cold twice. Their second goal seemed to come from nowhere - was so poor to concede that.
So far this season we're beating ourselves more than other teams causing us trouble.
I think as we gel we'll look more assured and should then stamp out these lapses. |  | | |
| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 09:58 - Aug 31 with 1371 views | textbackup |
| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 09:53 - Aug 31 by Dubtractor |
Absolutely the reason we didn't win yesterday was due to our own shortcomings, not scoring more from the chances we created, and weak defensively.
Im not making excuses for the result, but definitely not enjoying the spectacle so far this season! |
The header from Hirst, Jesus!
We was on the edge of the 6 yard box, free, with just the keeper to beat and the whole goal to aim at. He puts it in his hands at chest height. | |
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| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 10:00 - Aug 31 with 1359 views | PioneerBlue |
I can only remember the Championship being attritional. What that looks like on the day takes various forms according to club and position context. It’s too higher level for teams to give you points early in the season, everyone has the chance to unsettle those not settled and build points on the board ahead of a very long run.
I hate most referees and I hate most teams that don’t want to play the game but we score the goals defend better and the results look different !!
There can be no excuses for our position. We have the ownership, leadership, coaching set up, playing squad and current financial security that any fan would wish for. We haven’t started quick enough with game winning intent nor with recognising we are better at football and we are making basic defensive errors.
Whatever Derby set out to do yesterday second half was avoided by not conceding or scoring the second goal in the first half. It’s our downfall.
KMcK has been a master at getting the training, coaching and as you’ve pointed out elsewhere the patterns and routines embedded that allow us to build from here. The only little thing scratching away is the loss of momentum from months of losing games however that shouldn’t be effecting a lot of this new squad. There are the likes of say, Clarke or Philogene and to an extent Hirst Szmodics and Chappers who we should have expected more from in terms of early goal threat this season.
We are where we are and we have to hope the break allows the proper reboot to happen. | |
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| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 10:06 - Aug 31 with 1309 views | homer_123 |
Away fans will see better matches this season.
In answer to your question. Yes...low and high blocks were common last time in the Championship.
Derby were something else though. |  |
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| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 10:06 - Aug 31 with 1308 views | TractorJack |
| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 09:58 - Aug 31 by textbackup |
The header from Hirst, Jesus!
We was on the edge of the 6 yard box, free, with just the keeper to beat and the whole goal to aim at. He puts it in his hands at chest height. |
Made worse by the fact we had two of our players behind him with no other defenders. |  | | |
| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 10:07 - Aug 31 with 1305 views | JakeITFC |
I’ve been at every match this season and there hasn’t been a good one yet, with Preston and Derby being two of the worst football games I’ve ever seen.
Obviously it’s brighter when you win three points and play better but I find it ludicrous to think that the match going fan has to pay quite a lot of money to watch what is the opposite of entertainment. Really don’t know what has to change for the time wasting and fake injury stuff but yellow cards and whistling whilst doing an arm signal to hurry up clearly isn’t the answer. |  | | |
| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 10:08 - Aug 31 with 1292 views | Garv |
There's only so much we can do about it. And there was a clear shift yesterday in our attitude towards their antics. O'Shea was constantly next to the referee at the first sign of an issue, like Travis' assault or the phantom shoulder injury to their CB.
We've never really surrounded the ref with any kind of conviction before that I remember, so that now seems quite deliberate. And it worked as he added on 13 mins. |  |
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| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 10:08 - Aug 31 with 1287 views | catch74 |
| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 09:43 - Aug 31 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I think it’s context. Last time out we were newly promoted and with a relatively cheap squad (in comparison to the parachute teams). Therefore opposition were more willing to take the game to us.
Now WE are the parachute team with over £150m of players the opposition is going to give us more respect, and try and grind things out. Look at the games Leeds lost when they were chasing us for promotion- mostly low block where teams nicked a goal. We’ll face a lot of this now, as we did as the biggest spenders in League One. |
This. |  |
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| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 10:09 - Aug 31 with 1261 views | Garv |
| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 09:58 - Aug 31 by textbackup |
The header from Hirst, Jesus!
We was on the edge of the 6 yard box, free, with just the keeper to beat and the whole goal to aim at. He puts it in his hands at chest height. |
There was no pace on the ball, trickier chance than it looked in my opinion. | |
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| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 10:17 - Aug 31 with 1229 views | BlueOura |
We were the promoted team last time round, most teams thought they could go toe-to-toe with us and come out on top. Thus we had far less low block / sh!thousery tactics to deal with.
By the time teams had worked out we were pretty good and becaume a bit more cautious, we had such winnning momentum and confidence that we found a way, whether that be through set pieces or just sheer unrelenting persistence.
I also think that McKenna team was more direct, not in terms of long ball football, but we were fast and incisive in our build up and got into dangerous areas quickly. So far this team seems far too slow and ponderous in our build up play allowing teams to get back behind the ball far too easily. |  | | |
| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 10:20 - Aug 31 with 1197 views | textbackup |
| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 10:09 - Aug 31 by Garv |
There was no pace on the ball, trickier chance than it looked in my opinion. |
Oh come on, he’s a professional athlete 6 yards out. Power on the ball or not, generate your own from the muscles you’ve built up and used since the age of 7 | |
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| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 10:22 - Aug 31 with 1192 views | SomethingBlue |
| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 10:07 - Aug 31 by JakeITFC |
I’ve been at every match this season and there hasn’t been a good one yet, with Preston and Derby being two of the worst football games I’ve ever seen.
Obviously it’s brighter when you win three points and play better but I find it ludicrous to think that the match going fan has to pay quite a lot of money to watch what is the opposite of entertainment. Really don’t know what has to change for the time wasting and fake injury stuff but yellow cards and whistling whilst doing an arm signal to hurry up clearly isn’t the answer. |
It's very poor and it will turn people off the game. A worst case scenario is that football erodes beneath elite level and becomes as hollowed out as club rugby. This will happen in a generation's time if the authorities do not wake up. In a huge percentage of matches I watch, the final half hour simply does not happen.
Expanding to five substitutes has been the trigger for all these ills to be exacerbated, I'd argue, but that genie isn't going back into the bottle. | |
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| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 10:24 - Aug 31 with 1170 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 09:48 - Aug 31 by textbackup |
That’s second half was a joke, Derby didn’t want to play football (yet scored twice) that said, we should have gone into HT 2/3-0… we only have ourselves to blame |
Yep. Derby had 30% possession, 11 touches in our box and 2 shots on target, yet came away with 2 goals. We didn’t create enough, what we did create we weren’t clinical with, and we gave up 2 really poor goals. |  | | |
| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 10:35 - Aug 31 with 1098 views | pointofblue |
| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 10:08 - Aug 31 by Garv |
There's only so much we can do about it. And there was a clear shift yesterday in our attitude towards their antics. O'Shea was constantly next to the referee at the first sign of an issue, like Travis' assault or the phantom shoulder injury to their CB.
We've never really surrounded the ref with any kind of conviction before that I remember, so that now seems quite deliberate. And it worked as he added on 13 mins. |
Maybe he should have spent less time whining at the ref and more time focusing on basic defending yesterday. | |
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| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 10:46 - Aug 31 with 1049 views | Dubtractor |
| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 10:22 - Aug 31 by SomethingBlue |
It's very poor and it will turn people off the game. A worst case scenario is that football erodes beneath elite level and becomes as hollowed out as club rugby. This will happen in a generation's time if the authorities do not wake up. In a huge percentage of matches I watch, the final half hour simply does not happen.
Expanding to five substitutes has been the trigger for all these ills to be exacerbated, I'd argue, but that genie isn't going back into the bottle. |
Indeed. As soon as Derby got their second yesterday my mate turned to me and said that we'd only see another 2 or 3 minutes of the ball in play. It was obvious what would happen. Lots of 'injuries' and cynical fouls every time we threatened to break. | |
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| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 10:52 - Aug 31 with 1015 views | JakeITFC |
| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 10:22 - Aug 31 by SomethingBlue |
It's very poor and it will turn people off the game. A worst case scenario is that football erodes beneath elite level and becomes as hollowed out as club rugby. This will happen in a generation's time if the authorities do not wake up. In a huge percentage of matches I watch, the final half hour simply does not happen.
Expanding to five substitutes has been the trigger for all these ills to be exacerbated, I'd argue, but that genie isn't going back into the bottle. |
Even at the elite level it’s painful to watch the extent that Arsenal and co now are able to co-ordinate corners, throw ins and even goal kicks.
I was very anti a ball in play clock previously as I felt like the dark arts and time wasting have a place in football to some extent but I feel that has to be a consideration soon before boredom prevails. | | | |
| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 10:54 - Aug 31 with 1005 views | MK1 |
Last time we were a surprise. Most of these sides were here last time, or have watched enough of us to be able to work it out. |  |
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| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 23:20 - Aug 31 with 650 views | Garv |
| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 10:20 - Aug 31 by textbackup |
Oh come on, he’s a professional athlete 6 yards out. Power on the ball or not, generate your own from the muscles you’ve built up and used since the age of 7 |
So no one has ever missed a shot or header from 6 yards out?
You do need pace on the ball to be able to redirect it like that, you can't just use your muscles to achieve any kind of finish required. | |
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| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 06:27 - Sep 1 with 535 views | textbackup |
| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 23:20 - Aug 31 by Garv |
So no one has ever missed a shot or header from 6 yards out?
You do need pace on the ball to be able to redirect it like that, you can't just use your muscles to achieve any kind of finish required. |
What?! Of course you can.
You’ve never seen a headed goal where the ball has just spun up in the air and from a standing position it’s been redirected by the person attacking it?!
I really like Hirst so not purposely digging him out, but to say that has a hard chance is incredible | |
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| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 06:39 - Sep 1 with 499 views | ITFC_Forever |
Yes, it’s been a long hard grind of a season for many years now.
A few poor teams who get relegated. Perhaps a couple of good ones who rise to the top. And the other three-quarters are a bunch of very equal teams where anyone can beat anyone on any given day, which results in teams resorting to anything to try and find the marginal gains to find a win.
I think we didn’t notice a couple of years ago as we’d just come up and teams didn’t pay much attention to us until it was too late and we were in our own little bubble. |  |
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| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 08:06 - Sep 1 with 322 views | peterleeblue |
| Was the Championship this attritional last time round? on 10:00 - Aug 31 by PioneerBlue |
I can only remember the Championship being attritional. What that looks like on the day takes various forms according to club and position context. It’s too higher level for teams to give you points early in the season, everyone has the chance to unsettle those not settled and build points on the board ahead of a very long run.
I hate most referees and I hate most teams that don’t want to play the game but we score the goals defend better and the results look different !!
There can be no excuses for our position. We have the ownership, leadership, coaching set up, playing squad and current financial security that any fan would wish for. We haven’t started quick enough with game winning intent nor with recognising we are better at football and we are making basic defensive errors.
Whatever Derby set out to do yesterday second half was avoided by not conceding or scoring the second goal in the first half. It’s our downfall.
KMcK has been a master at getting the training, coaching and as you’ve pointed out elsewhere the patterns and routines embedded that allow us to build from here. The only little thing scratching away is the loss of momentum from months of losing games however that shouldn’t be effecting a lot of this new squad. There are the likes of say, Clarke or Philogene and to an extent Hirst Szmodics and Chappers who we should have expected more from in terms of early goal threat this season.
We are where we are and we have to hope the break allows the proper reboot to happen. |
Why do you "hate" most referees? |  | | |
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