| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 10:57 - Sep 8 with 2456 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 10:52 - Sep 8 by itfcsuth |
Evaded tax sorry, avoided yes - apologises (editted).
I think that's the bulk of the issue here, Rayner evaded tax, Farage avoided, one is illegal and one isn't. |
Has she been charged with tax evasion (let alone found guilty of it)?
She is guilty of breaking the ministerial code over the issue and has resigned. |  |
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| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 10:59 - Sep 8 with 2447 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 10:56 - Sep 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
...and neither are a good look (especially for a politician), so one shouldn't claim some moral high ground over the other. |
Although, as a I point out above, Farage's is totally consistent with his policies to make the rich richer at the expense of the poor by slashing taxation and paying for it through decimating services.
Were Farage ever to gain power, previous austerity would be dwarfed in comparison. | |
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| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 11:14 - Sep 8 with 2414 views | bluestandard |
| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 10:52 - Sep 8 by itfcsuth |
Evaded tax sorry, avoided yes - apologises (editted).
I think that's the bulk of the issue here, Rayner evaded tax, Farage avoided, one is illegal and one isn't. |
So just a small point, but I don't think there is any suggestion that Raynor 'evaded' tax, as that would involve a deliberate action with the intention of not paying tax which she knew was due.
But yes, based on what we know right now, Farage's conduct amounts to legal avoidance which Raynors did not. I emphasise 'based on what we know right now', because I'm sure I can't be the only one to think that there is a deeper story here. Why? Because although what Farage did was technically legal, it only remains legal if there is no underlying document which preserves Farage's beneficial interest in the property. Either that document exists, or he has a HUGE amount of trust in his partner., because if they split, he has no claim on that property whatsoever as its in her name. He would surely have been advised against this unless he had appropriate protection?
Maybe he has a charge over the property equivalent to his cash injection? Not sure if that would count as ownership for SDLT purposes anyway. Something doesn't seem right, and I'm sure the media will be scrabbling for all the dirt! |  | | |
| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 12:31 - Sep 8 with 2272 views | JackNorthStand |
Politics aside here, genuinely. He hasn’t done anything wrong, has he. He’s followed the guidance that is in place. | | | |
| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 14:12 - Sep 8 with 2143 views | itfcsuth |
| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 10:57 - Sep 8 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Has she been charged with tax evasion (let alone found guilty of it)?
She is guilty of breaking the ministerial code over the issue and has resigned. |
No, but in the basic form she did tax evade, it's the non or underpayment of taxes due, due to non or false declaration - by definition she did tax evade.
Whether it was an honest mistake or not, I have no idea - but it was tax evasion. |  | | |
| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 15:39 - Sep 8 with 2031 views | King_ding_a_lin_g |
| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 14:12 - Sep 8 by itfcsuth |
No, but in the basic form she did tax evade, it's the non or underpayment of taxes due, due to non or false declaration - by definition she did tax evade.
Whether it was an honest mistake or not, I have no idea - but it was tax evasion. |
Whether it was an honest mistake or not is the crux of it though isn't it?
Surely you have just effectively said 'Is it black or white? - I've no idea, but it's definitely white'. |  | | |
| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 17:08 - Sep 8 with 1845 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 10:59 - Sep 8 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Although, as a I point out above, Farage's is totally consistent with his policies to make the rich richer at the expense of the poor by slashing taxation and paying for it through decimating services.
Were Farage ever to gain power, previous austerity would be dwarfed in comparison. |
I think it’s reasonable to look towards what DOGE are doing in the States as an idea of how it would go. Their councils are already making noises in this direction. So we’d get mass austerity (as you say) and an attack on rights and less support for anything deemed ‘woke’. It would end up costing more, as they’d bodge it. And then there’s the other stuff such as removal of protections (so environmental, food standards, etc., increasing the prevalence of illness/diseases). Plus a nice dose of anti-vax leading to some not nice cases of preventable diseases.
Sounds great.
Plus the further impoverishing of the poor of course
This is all very likely, as they want to go down a similar route to Trump’s Big Beautiful Bill after announcing they’re working on a Big Beautiful Reform Bill (they’re so unoriginal it would be funny if they weren’t such a threat to the people of the UK). |  |
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| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 17:12 - Sep 8 with 1835 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 14:12 - Sep 8 by itfcsuth |
No, but in the basic form she did tax evade, it's the non or underpayment of taxes due, due to non or false declaration - by definition she did tax evade.
Whether it was an honest mistake or not, I have no idea - but it was tax evasion. |
Simply wrong. | | | |
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| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 17:22 - Sep 8 with 1818 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 12:31 - Sep 8 by JackNorthStand |
Politics aside here, genuinely. He hasn’t done anything wrong, has he. He’s followed the guidance that is in place. |
Unless he gave her the money to buy the house, then that would be tax avoidance. |  |
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| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 17:27 - Sep 8 with 1793 views | textbackup |
| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 18:03 - Sep 7 by ElderGrizzly |
His partner clearly did not buy the house
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She has to look at that face when he’s on top of her… she should be given a house purely based on that |  |
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| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 17:40 - Sep 8 with 1768 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 17:22 - Sep 8 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
Unless he gave her the money to buy the house, then that would be tax avoidance. |
Only if its a genuine outright gift. | | | |
| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 17:59 - Sep 8 with 1737 views | jayessess |
| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 12:31 - Sep 8 by JackNorthStand |
Politics aside here, genuinely. He hasn’t done anything wrong, has he. He’s followed the guidance that is in place. |
I suppose the double standard is that apparently attempting to avoid tax only seems to be ethical problem for a politician if they're bad at it? [Post edited 9 Sep 9:16]
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| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 20:55 - Sep 8 with 1550 views | Leaky |
| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 17:40 - Sep 7 by FromReuserWithLove |
People who want equality and justice aren't the 'left' you moron. |
Say's lefty in chief [Post edited 8 Sep 21:19]
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| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 11:06 - Sep 9 with 865 views | itfcsuth |
| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 15:39 - Sep 8 by King_ding_a_lin_g |
Whether it was an honest mistake or not is the crux of it though isn't it?
Surely you have just effectively said 'Is it black or white? - I've no idea, but it's definitely white'. |
I'm not talking about her resignation here, I couldn't care less who is Deputy PM, PM or leading the countries affairs - if i is a Tory or Labour party, they are both as bad as each other, truly awful.
I was referring to the difference from Farage and Rayner, ultimately one avoided tax (legal), one evaded (illegal). | | | |
| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 11:14 - Sep 9 with 850 views | tcblue |
| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 17:40 - Sep 8 by redrickstuhaart |
Only if its a genuine outright gift. |
*grift | | | |
| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 20:20 - Sep 11 with 299 views | LeoMuff |
| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 17:22 - Sep 8 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
Unless he gave her the money to buy the house, then that would be tax avoidance. |
Seems like that is a definite possibility https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce845w70g0yo
Seems she maybe didn’t have £885k lying around to buy a pad in Clacton |  |
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| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 20:46 - Sep 11 with 247 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 17:59 - Sep 8 by jayessess |
I suppose the double standard is that apparently attempting to avoid tax only seems to be ethical problem for a politician if they're bad at it? [Post edited 9 Sep 9:16]
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That’s what it boils down to. Be ‘smart’ and ‘play the system’ and all’s well. Laws are there for a reason so I suppose we have to use them as a benchmark for what is right (but that’s another thread). So for now, yes that’s right. Use a legal loophole to avoid tax and that’s good. Don’t use the loophole (whether an honest mistake or deliberately) and that’s bad. | |
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| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 20:48 - Sep 11 with 241 views | Dubtractor |
Let's be frank, we all know that it was bought with his money, it's just about whether or not he can get away with lying about it. |  |
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| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 20:48 - Sep 11 with 240 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Where's the pressure on Farage to resign for avoiding stamp duty? on 11:06 - Sep 9 by itfcsuth |
I'm not talking about her resignation here, I couldn't care less who is Deputy PM, PM or leading the countries affairs - if i is a Tory or Labour party, they are both as bad as each other, truly awful.
I was referring to the difference from Farage and Rayner, ultimately one avoided tax (legal), one evaded (illegal). |
No. She did not evade. She made an understandable genuine error so far as anyone can tell at the moment. Evasion, for the umpteenth time, requires intent and dishonesty. | | | |
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