| Just went past a community centre… 17:52 - Sep 7 with 4675 views | Chris_ITFC |
… with Union Jack bunting up. Hard to know whether to smile at a friendly, welcoming venue or frown at a place run by a bunch of massive racists these days.
Could conceivably be either, with very little alternative in between.
Very confusing for my little brain to process.
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| Just went past a community centre… on 08:40 - Sep 8 with 1076 views | bluejacko |
| Just went past a community centre… on 08:00 - Sep 8 by noggin |
Yeah because there's no hatred of other communities over there, is there? |
Depends where you go ,there are tricolours flown as well so wind your little neck in👍 |  | | |
| Just went past a community centre… on 08:53 - Sep 8 with 989 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Just went past a community centre… on 07:57 - Sep 8 by Pinewoodblue |
If you genuinely believe Union Jack bunting at a Community Centre must be racist then you are part of the problem. |
It was tongue in cheek - hence the smiley. | |
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| Just went past a community centre… on 09:21 - Sep 8 with 929 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Just went past a community centre… on 08:35 - Sep 8 by DJR |
One thing I think has changed is that the use of England flags in connection with the England football team no longer has the same racist tones that it had forty odd years ago.
I am not an England fan but living in London I went to quite a few England games at Wembley after work back in the 80s.
That was at the height of football hooliganism and to attend an England game in those days was in my view like attending a National Front rally. [Post edited 8 Sep 8:39]
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Back in 1966 the only flags waved were Union Jacks there were no England flags waved at Wembley for World Cup.
Things change over time attitudes acceptable in the past are frowned upon by following generations. |  |
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| Just went past a community centre… on 09:22 - Sep 8 with 918 views | J2BLUE |
| Just went past a community centre… on 08:53 - Sep 8 by Chris_ITFC |
It was tongue in cheek - hence the smiley. |
I thought it was but it's hard to tell these days. Especially with lines like 'Could conceivably be either, with very little alternative in between.' |  |
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| Just went past a community centre… on 09:26 - Sep 8 with 894 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Just went past a community centre… on 18:47 - Sep 7 by gtsb1966 |
Tell me why a Union Jack means someone is a massive racist. |
You must've been living under a rock for a couple of decades if you don't know the connotation. |  |
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| Just went past a community centre… on 09:29 - Sep 8 with 858 views | J2BLUE |
| Just went past a community centre… on 09:26 - Sep 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You must've been living under a rock for a couple of decades if you don't know the connotation. |
Isn't their preference for the England flag?
Why do we let them claim it anyway? The flag is just the flag of the country. Any meaning is projected on to it. They can f##k right off. | |
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| Just went past a community centre… on 09:32 - Sep 8 with 834 views | eireblue |
| Just went past a community centre… on 08:01 - Sep 8 by Mullet |
Aren’t we all part of that problem though? As Guffers puts it quite well in this thread, we’ve allowed the neo Nazis of the past few generations to steal it from us. Now the suspicion and association runs deep. |
So close to reclaiming it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cool_Britannia |  | | |
| Just went past a community centre… on 09:32 - Sep 8 with 831 views | DJR |
| Just went past a community centre… on 09:21 - Sep 8 by Pinewoodblue |
Back in 1966 the only flags waved were Union Jacks there were no England flags waved at Wembley for World Cup.
Things change over time attitudes acceptable in the past are frowned upon by following generations. |
That is certainly true but by the 1980s many fans had begun to realise that the England flag was the correct one for the England team. but that is not to say there were not also Union Jacks on show at England games then. |  | | |
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| Just went past a community centre… on 09:38 - Sep 8 with 792 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Just went past a community centre… on 09:29 - Sep 8 by J2BLUE |
Isn't their preference for the England flag?
Why do we let them claim it anyway? The flag is just the flag of the country. Any meaning is projected on to it. They can f##k right off. |
Yeah actually it is usually the England flag, but I do get the OP, and it's a shame as well. Lady Dollers has commented when we've driven past a house displaying either the England flag or Union Jack that they're probably racist. Which I push back on, but I can understand why she (and the OP) might think it.
You say "Any meaning is projected on to it," but that's the whole point, isn't it? Flags are symbolic and hugely filled with meaning (good and bad). Whenever we see Ukraine flags in people's windows we tend to think the opposite of when we see England flags, and yet on the face of it they're just flags of different countries. | |
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| Just went past a community centre… on 09:42 - Sep 8 with 777 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Just went past a community centre… on 09:32 - Sep 8 by DJR |
That is certainly true but by the 1980s many fans had begun to realise that the England flag was the correct one for the England team. but that is not to say there were not also Union Jacks on show at England games then. |
The England flags weren't used in any great numbers until Euro 96. Just look at the clips from Italia 90. All Union flags. |  |
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| Just went past a community centre… on 09:55 - Sep 8 with 708 views | leitrimblue |
| Just went past a community centre… on 08:00 - Sep 8 by noggin |
Yeah because there's no hatred of other communities over there, is there? |
The village next to me, Manorhamilton is the first real village you come to after crossing the border into Ireland in the West.
It's been completely decked out in the Irish Tricolour and the Palastine flag from the beginning of the year.. I have no issue with either cause, but I just don't see the need for it.
I can't help but feel how intimidating it must/could be for anyone who isn't pro these causes while just minding their own business walking down the High Street |  | | |
| Just went past a community centre… on 09:58 - Sep 8 with 695 views | J2BLUE |
| Just went past a community centre… on 09:55 - Sep 8 by leitrimblue |
The village next to me, Manorhamilton is the first real village you come to after crossing the border into Ireland in the West.
It's been completely decked out in the Irish Tricolour and the Palastine flag from the beginning of the year.. I have no issue with either cause, but I just don't see the need for it.
I can't help but feel how intimidating it must/could be for anyone who isn't pro these causes while just minding their own business walking down the High Street |
How is it intimidating? Surely you go about your business and don't take any notice? | |
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| Just went past a community centre… on 10:03 - Sep 8 with 671 views | leitrimblue |
| Just went past a community centre… on 09:58 - Sep 8 by J2BLUE |
How is it intimidating? Surely you go about your business and don't take any notice? |
So if you were of say Jewish descent or a proud Unionist you wouldn't feel in anyway intimidated about walking the gauntlet of Palastinian and Irish flags through a known Republican stronghold?
I live between 2 villages, 1 decked out as above and 1 without a single flag. I definitely know which 1 feels more pleasant | | | |
| Just went past a community centre… on 10:15 - Sep 8 with 643 views | OldFart71 |
Perhaps if we had a government that worked for us rather than the Unions and wasn't torn between satisfying the left and the right there would be no need for people to take to the streets and use the Union Jack and flag of St. George as some sort of protest against our country being ruined.
I have no time for far right, far left or whatever. They are destroying peaceful protests.
But whatever goes on sadly you will always have people that use the situation to their advantage.
There should be no questions asked if a person wishes to raise the flag. But because of reasons I have just pointed out it will now be seen in some quarters as racist. Which in turn gives those with an agenda to destroy our culture even more excuses. | | | |
| Just went past a community centre… on 10:19 - Sep 8 with 617 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Just went past a community centre… on 09:22 - Sep 8 by J2BLUE |
I thought it was but it's hard to tell these days. Especially with lines like 'Could conceivably be either, with very little alternative in between.' |
Well, that bit’s based on truth... “Polarisation, innit.” | |
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| Just went past a community centre… on 10:23 - Sep 8 with 591 views | DJR |
| Just went past a community centre… on 09:42 - Sep 8 by GlasgowBlue |
The England flags weren't used in any great numbers until Euro 96. Just look at the clips from Italia 90. All Union flags. |
If I were to quote Max Boyce, I could say "I know .... because I was there." when it comes to Wembley in the 1980s.
But don't take my word for it, just look at the photo of England fans at the 1980 Euros to indicate the use of the England flag at games. However, as I acknowledged, this is not to say that Union Jacks were not also on display at the games I attended.
https://the1888letter.com/1980-european-championship-finals/ [Post edited 8 Sep 12:54]
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| Just went past a community centre… on 10:30 - Sep 8 with 543 views | J2BLUE |
| Just went past a community centre… on 10:03 - Sep 8 by leitrimblue |
So if you were of say Jewish descent or a proud Unionist you wouldn't feel in anyway intimidated about walking the gauntlet of Palastinian and Irish flags through a known Republican stronghold?
I live between 2 villages, 1 decked out as above and 1 without a single flag. I definitely know which 1 feels more pleasant |
Fair point on on being Jewish although many Jews have been extremely critical of Israel and may well openly support Palestine living in peace.
Don't think the unionist bit would be an issue unless someone is demanding to know your opinions. If it's just a few flags I don't think it has any impact. | |
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| Just went past a community centre… on 10:43 - Sep 8 with 487 views | leitrimblue |
| Just went past a community centre… on 10:30 - Sep 8 by J2BLUE |
Fair point on on being Jewish although many Jews have been extremely critical of Israel and may well openly support Palestine living in peace.
Don't think the unionist bit would be an issue unless someone is demanding to know your opinions. If it's just a few flags I don't think it has any impact. |
Co Leitrim is where Shergar is buried and the home of the Don Tidey Kidnapping etc..
Your welcome to try walking through the high street with a Rangers or England shirt on, but I really wouldn't advise it. I doubt tourists ( especially from the UK) would feel tempted to pop into any of the pubs in the village. Because at the very least the message is far from welcoming.
If yer ever in the area I'll take you for beers in the non flag waving village.  | | | |
| Just went past a community centre… on 10:44 - Sep 8 with 471 views | _clive_baker_ |
Depends on the context innit. If its a Devon village hall full of biddies its probably alright, if its a pub with a flat roof and some bulldogs chained up outside you're almost certainly in EDL territory.
FWIW I've never really felt the need to wave a flag outside my house and that's not likely to change any time soon. Can't say I would actively not do it because some bell ends have different opinions to me though, they've not 'claimed' anything.
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| Just went past a community centre… on 10:50 - Sep 8 with 424 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Just went past a community centre… on 10:15 - Sep 8 by OldFart71 |
Perhaps if we had a government that worked for us rather than the Unions and wasn't torn between satisfying the left and the right there would be no need for people to take to the streets and use the Union Jack and flag of St. George as some sort of protest against our country being ruined.
I have no time for far right, far left or whatever. They are destroying peaceful protests.
But whatever goes on sadly you will always have people that use the situation to their advantage.
There should be no questions asked if a person wishes to raise the flag. But because of reasons I have just pointed out it will now be seen in some quarters as racist. Which in turn gives those with an agenda to destroy our culture even more excuses. |
We have a government that works for the Unions and that's why people feel the need to put up flags?! Interesting leap of logic there! | |
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| Just went past a community centre… on 11:02 - Sep 8 with 383 views | iamatractorboy |
| Just went past a community centre… on 10:44 - Sep 8 by _clive_baker_ |
Depends on the context innit. If its a Devon village hall full of biddies its probably alright, if its a pub with a flat roof and some bulldogs chained up outside you're almost certainly in EDL territory.
FWIW I've never really felt the need to wave a flag outside my house and that's not likely to change any time soon. Can't say I would actively not do it because some bell ends have different opinions to me though, they've not 'claimed' anything.
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Exactly. And the context of waving/flying the flag recently has been 'let's go and intimidate some asylum seekers', so the timing around a load of these popping up in various places is a bit, well, 'sus', isn't it. Nothing wrong with flying the flag per se, obviously. Just need to wonder what the motivation is in a lot of cases. Several have been cable tied up lamp posts in the centre of my village in the last few days, near (but not the actual same place) where we usually have seasonal displays like Remembrance Day, Christmas, Easter, have had ones Olympics and Euros based etc. The 'normal' use of the flag for these displays, well I wouldn't bat an eyelid, but these recent ones? Definitely have to wonder what the underlying motivation is behind it. And that is a sad state of affairs. | | | |
| Just went past a community centre… on 11:03 - Sep 8 with 374 views | J2BLUE |
| Just went past a community centre… on 10:43 - Sep 8 by leitrimblue |
Co Leitrim is where Shergar is buried and the home of the Don Tidey Kidnapping etc..
Your welcome to try walking through the high street with a Rangers or England shirt on, but I really wouldn't advise it. I doubt tourists ( especially from the UK) would feel tempted to pop into any of the pubs in the village. Because at the very least the message is far from welcoming.
If yer ever in the area I'll take you for beers in the non flag waving village. |
Kind of moving the goalposts there a bit! | |
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| Just went past a community centre… on 11:11 - Sep 8 with 332 views | leitrimblue |
| Just went past a community centre… on 11:03 - Sep 8 by J2BLUE |
Kind of moving the goalposts there a bit! |
Not really sure how that's moving the goalposts?
Was just giving you some background details.
I guarantee that if we walked through both villages I'm pretty sure we would chose to go for beers in the 1 without the flags, that's all. | | | |
| Just went past a community centre… on 12:04 - Sep 8 with 211 views | WestSussexBlue |
These are potentially the first embers of trouble starting in communities.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see flare ups and even riots developing. It’s a discreet way of denouncing anything other than British and English and that’s likely to be met with further hostility. | | | |
| Just went past a community centre… on 12:05 - Sep 8 with 203 views | giant_stow |
| Just went past a community centre… on 11:11 - Sep 8 by leitrimblue |
Not really sure how that's moving the goalposts?
Was just giving you some background details.
I guarantee that if we walked through both villages I'm pretty sure we would chose to go for beers in the 1 without the flags, that's all. |
My new aged-footy team mate is Irish and had a bit of a (jokey) problem with passing to our centre forward who was wearing an England shirt in training. The Irishman helped us win only a second game in 3 years on saturday (he was a rock in midfield), so he can stay and the England shirt wearer can do one! priorities innit. |  |
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