| People considering voting Reform 10:32 - Sep 9 with 4727 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
When you hear these claims, even you must be thinking 'Oh come on, Nigel. You're doing well in the polls, don't blow it!'?!
The first, that they would stop the boats IN TWO WEEKS. Farage has already rowed back on that (pardon the pun) and changed it to "once the laws are passed". But even then, with the best will in the world, that's obviously impossible. It's straight out of the Trump playbook - the claim that he'd stop the Ukraine war in 24 hours.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c237k55y90ko
Secondly, this batsh!t nonsense...
"A controversial doctor given top billing at the Reform party conference has used his main-stage speech to air a claim the Covid vaccine caused cancer in the royal family."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/06/doctor-aseem-malhotra-reform-co
Who on earth believes this stuff?
Or are you so desperate for a change in yours/the country's circumstances that you just ignore the bonkers stuff? This is a genuine question, not intended to take the piss out of Reform sympathisers, because I just can't understand how this party is so - apparently - popular, when they come out with stuff like this.
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| People considering voting Reform on 13:17 - Sep 9 with 806 views | giant_stow |
| People considering voting Reform on 13:04 - Sep 9 by HairBearBunch |
For sure it's risky, going either way from one of the established two parties.
But the status quo is such that I currently consider it a risk worth taking. Nothing ventured ...
The greens seem to propose spending far too much, I'm not convinced they'll find the money without taxing us silly.
As an asides, I'm often reading on here how Brexit is a widely acknowledged disaster. How come that then? From what I see the big EU counties are in an even bigger mess, esp the french. |
The French are in trouble, but paying less on their 10 year debt than us I believe (could be wrong), despite owing more as percentage of GDP than us, The Germans have some issues with a need to spend more and re-organise their economy but no debt trouble. Italy is coming out of a big slump. Spain has a lot of debt, but its economy is growing fast. Poland is going great guns - they'll be one of the big boys soon at this rate.
So no, I don;t think we are doing any better than our European bredwin.
Edit: the above, with apologies to those who actually know what they're talking about. [Post edited 9 Sep 13:21]
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| People considering voting Reform on 13:33 - Sep 9 with 738 views | leitrimblue |
| People considering voting Reform on 13:04 - Sep 9 by blueasfook |
Actually ordered two. The standard grey one for my day to day fascist needs, and the Hermann Goerring white one for special occasions. |
That's enough of yer outrageous flirting. I'll be around after the football..  |  | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 13:50 - Sep 9 with 695 views | BlueBoots |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:16 - Sep 9 by Benters |
This. |
Don't know why, but I always think of "this" when you reply "this" to one of blueas' posts...
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| People considering voting Reform on 13:52 - Sep 9 with 684 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| People considering voting Reform on 13:04 - Sep 9 by HairBearBunch |
For sure it's risky, going either way from one of the established two parties.
But the status quo is such that I currently consider it a risk worth taking. Nothing ventured ...
The greens seem to propose spending far too much, I'm not convinced they'll find the money without taxing us silly.
As an asides, I'm often reading on here how Brexit is a widely acknowledged disaster. How come that then? From what I see the big EU counties are in an even bigger mess, esp the french. |
You should look closer at Farage's promises if you think the Greens would spend too much. | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 14:00 - Sep 9 with 651 views | Radlett_blue |
| People considering voting Reform on 13:17 - Sep 9 by giant_stow |
The French are in trouble, but paying less on their 10 year debt than us I believe (could be wrong), despite owing more as percentage of GDP than us, The Germans have some issues with a need to spend more and re-organise their economy but no debt trouble. Italy is coming out of a big slump. Spain has a lot of debt, but its economy is growing fast. Poland is going great guns - they'll be one of the big boys soon at this rate.
So no, I don;t think we are doing any better than our European bredwin.
Edit: the above, with apologies to those who actually know what they're talking about. [Post edited 9 Sep 13:21]
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France is benefiting from the Euro effect - everyone in it gets German bond yields. Remember how that ended for Greece & that will look like a picnic when the credit markets eventually decide that France needs a bail-out. |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 14:05 - Sep 9 with 636 views | giant_stow |
| People considering voting Reform on 14:00 - Sep 9 by Radlett_blue |
France is benefiting from the Euro effect - everyone in it gets German bond yields. Remember how that ended for Greece & that will look like a picnic when the credit markets eventually decide that France needs a bail-out. |
I was wondering what explained the French debt thing, ta. | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 14:20 - Sep 9 with 581 views | Guthrum |
| People considering voting Reform on 11:46 - Sep 9 by HairBearBunch |
oh go on then - I'll trust that it really is a genuine question and not a leader for lets-bash-the-right.
Unlike you gentlemen, I don't follow politics closely, so I let other people scrutinise evidence etc. I just want something to happen to drag us out the malaise.
If Mr Farage is sounding like he might be the person to do that, then great, I'd be tempted.
I'd hoped Mr Polanski might be that person too, but there's enough financial woes around without him making it worse imo.
So I just want something to happen. Anything, really. Just some blinking action, something and someone different. |
The issue being, what indications are there that Farage might be able to make any significant improvements? Or does it work on the negative principle that even the unknown must be better than what we have now?
My feeling is that a lot of people are projecting their own hopes onto the relatively blank (or little known) canvases of Reform and the Greens. While I am all in favour of new directions in the political lanscape, they need to be examined carefully and evaluated for good and bad points, which will differ through people's opinions. |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 14:21 - Sep 9 with 579 views | positivity |
| People considering voting Reform on 13:50 - Sep 9 by BlueBoots |
Don't know why, but I always think of "this" when you reply "this" to one of blueas' posts...
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which ones fookers and which one's benters? |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 14:29 - Sep 9 with 544 views | blueasfook |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:58 - Sep 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You just need to explain yourself clearly. If you'd actually used less words (left out the whatabouterry) it would've been clear.
Anyway, good to know you think Reform's ideas are bonkers. I didn't expect to be getting that out of you. |
So you're basically saying "Have a go at Farage, but don't mention other parties ridiculous promises"?
Ah ok, understood. |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 14:34 - Sep 9 with 536 views | Guthrum |
| People considering voting Reform on 12:24 - Sep 9 by hype313 |
Surely the architect of the clusterfeck which is Brexit, should be enough for people to even think twice about voting for this grifter?
Or do people like enslaving themselves into even more poverty and isolation? |
Farage managed to keep himself at arms-length on how Brexit was actually carried out (May and Johnson, as PMs, were left with that task), so he can still say "It would all have worked wonderfully if only you'd done it my way".
People who were invested in Brexit succeeding have no reason to believe different, there is no concrete evidence either way. | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 15:04 - Sep 9 with 467 views | Pendejo |
| People considering voting Reform on 10:42 - Sep 9 by blueasfook |
Well its been 18 months now, and I don't think he's smashed any yet. |
How many months?
I make it 14 months since the July 2024 election.
Not that 4 months will make any difference... |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 15:07 - Sep 9 with 467 views | DJR |
I mentioned on another thread a cartoon in the current edition of Private Eye.
Another cartoon has a man with a Labour rosette holding a placard up to a man with a Reform rosette.
On the placard it says
"Stop the Gloats." |  | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 16:19 - Sep 9 with 367 views | CoachRob |
| People considering voting Reform on 14:00 - Sep 9 by Radlett_blue |
France is benefiting from the Euro effect - everyone in it gets German bond yields. Remember how that ended for Greece & that will look like a picnic when the credit markets eventually decide that France needs a bail-out. |
“Within our mandate, the ECB is ready to do whatever it takes to preserve the euro. And believe me, it will be enough.” Mario Draghi
The ECB surely can't take the risk and repeat the mistakes of Greece. |  | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 16:33 - Sep 9 with 326 views | Clapham_Junction |
| People considering voting Reform on 13:04 - Sep 9 by HairBearBunch |
For sure it's risky, going either way from one of the established two parties.
But the status quo is such that I currently consider it a risk worth taking. Nothing ventured ...
The greens seem to propose spending far too much, I'm not convinced they'll find the money without taxing us silly.
As an asides, I'm often reading on here how Brexit is a widely acknowledged disaster. How come that then? From what I see the big EU counties are in an even bigger mess, esp the french. |
Aren't Reform proposing massive tax cuts that would hugely increase the government deficit (like Trump has done)? |  | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 16:33 - Sep 9 with 330 views | chicoazul |
I am considering it jerseys yes, and I’ll take your question in good faith.
I probably won’t. I don’t think Farage is serious about being PM and he continues to surround himself with sycophants Coke heads and morons. Reform is basically Farage with an iPhone and that’s not a government in waiting.
However. If, big if, he decided to change tack and started to hire good people, and there are many good people who would work within Reform, then I would start to strongly consider giving them the vote. This is because as I’m sure you know from my posts, the establishment have failed and continue to fail our country and I can see no reason to let them carry on the slow motion car crash.
Given Farage wants to legalise drugs and spend ever more money on welfare I am a bit surprised he’s not a lot more popular on here to be fair. He certainly isn’t a conservative. |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 16:37 - Sep 9 with 313 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| People considering voting Reform on 14:29 - Sep 9 by blueasfook |
So you're basically saying "Have a go at Farage, but don't mention other parties ridiculous promises"?
Ah ok, understood. |
Whataboutism is a logical fallacy closely related to the tu quoque (appeal to hypocrisy) fallacy, a type of ad hominem argument, where a person deflects an accusation by responding with a counter-accusation... rather than addressing the initial accusation. It functions as a propaganda or distraction tactic, shifting focus away from the original issue. Even if the counter-accusation is true, it does not invalidate or defend against the original accusation.
You can say what you like about other parties, but it has nothing to do with my OP. | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 16:43 - Sep 9 with 283 views | blueasfook |
| People considering voting Reform on 16:37 - Sep 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Whataboutism is a logical fallacy closely related to the tu quoque (appeal to hypocrisy) fallacy, a type of ad hominem argument, where a person deflects an accusation by responding with a counter-accusation... rather than addressing the initial accusation. It functions as a propaganda or distraction tactic, shifting focus away from the original issue. Even if the counter-accusation is true, it does not invalidate or defend against the original accusation.
You can say what you like about other parties, but it has nothing to do with my OP. |
Someone learned how to use ChatGPT I see | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 16:43 - Sep 9 with 288 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| People considering voting Reform on 16:33 - Sep 9 by chicoazul |
I am considering it jerseys yes, and I’ll take your question in good faith.
I probably won’t. I don’t think Farage is serious about being PM and he continues to surround himself with sycophants Coke heads and morons. Reform is basically Farage with an iPhone and that’s not a government in waiting.
However. If, big if, he decided to change tack and started to hire good people, and there are many good people who would work within Reform, then I would start to strongly consider giving them the vote. This is because as I’m sure you know from my posts, the establishment have failed and continue to fail our country and I can see no reason to let them carry on the slow motion car crash.
Given Farage wants to legalise drugs and spend ever more money on welfare I am a bit surprised he’s not a lot more popular on here to be fair. He certainly isn’t a conservative. |
I've not read that second to last bit, you got some links to where he's said either of those? Not that you can trust anything he says, but he'd go up slightly in my estimation if they were true. | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 17:18 - Sep 9 with 228 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| People considering voting Reform on 16:43 - Sep 9 by blueasfook |
Someone learned how to use ChatGPT I see |
I didn't even bother with chatgpt for that, just stuck it into google.
It was easier than having to draw it for you with crayons. | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 17:28 - Sep 9 with 187 views | DJR |
Interesting to see the polls narrowing.
Weekly YouGov voting intention poll for The Times/Sky News. Reform goes backward after party conference
RFM 27% (-2)
LAB 22% (+2)
CON 17% (=)
LDEM 15% (=) | | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 17:29 - Sep 9 with 185 views | DJR |
Duplicate post: due to inability to function properly without a mouse. [Post edited 9 Sep 17:31]
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| People considering voting Reform on 17:47 - Sep 9 with 140 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| People considering voting Reform on 17:28 - Sep 9 by DJR |
Interesting to see the polls narrowing.
Weekly YouGov voting intention poll for The Times/Sky News. Reform goes backward after party conference
RFM 27% (-2)
LAB 22% (+2)
CON 17% (=)
LDEM 15% (=) |
Ha. Well, well, well, maybe people are cottoning on.
They did seem to have shot themselves in the foot a bit with some bizarre stuff coming out of that conference.
And in a scandelous week for Labour they've actually increased in the polls! Bonkers. | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 18:03 - Sep 9 with 90 views | Dubtractor |
| People considering voting Reform on 11:29 - Sep 9 by Dubtractor |
I think it's sweet that you always pop up in these threads to argue the toss/defend Farage. |
For the avoidance of doubt, given subsequent posts, im not accusing Blueas of being a racist nazi, or even a reform supporter necessarily. Just a bit noticeable that he's in these threads 'owning the libs' on a regular basis. Whatever floats your boat I guess.
Ive been in meetings all day, so felt I should set the record straight! [Post edited 9 Sep 18:35]
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| People considering voting Reform on 18:06 - Sep 9 with 74 views | leitrimblue |
| People considering voting Reform on 16:33 - Sep 9 by chicoazul |
I am considering it jerseys yes, and I’ll take your question in good faith.
I probably won’t. I don’t think Farage is serious about being PM and he continues to surround himself with sycophants Coke heads and morons. Reform is basically Farage with an iPhone and that’s not a government in waiting.
However. If, big if, he decided to change tack and started to hire good people, and there are many good people who would work within Reform, then I would start to strongly consider giving them the vote. This is because as I’m sure you know from my posts, the establishment have failed and continue to fail our country and I can see no reason to let them carry on the slow motion car crash.
Given Farage wants to legalise drugs and spend ever more money on welfare I am a bit surprised he’s not a lot more popular on here to be fair. He certainly isn’t a conservative. |
Waaaait a minute, if that loveable man of the people Nig is gonna legalise weed I may have to rethink my voting intentions.  | | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 18:08 - Sep 9 with 69 views | positivity |
| People considering voting Reform on 18:03 - Sep 9 by Dubtractor |
For the avoidance of doubt, given subsequent posts, im not accusing Blueas of being a racist nazi, or even a reform supporter necessarily. Just a bit noticeable that he's in these threads 'owning the libs' on a regular basis. Whatever floats your boat I guess.
Ive been in meetings all day, so felt I should set the record straight! [Post edited 9 Sep 18:35]
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also noticeable that he never argues the toss with the reform/racist posts
the trouble is that the benters et al seem to think he's being serious... | |
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