| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah 20:24 - Sep 10 with 59053 views | ElderGrizzly |
Was speaking at a University event and appears to have been shot (from distance) in the neck.
And actually shot, not the Donald Trump kind.
Horrific whatever your political views and has no place in politics
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:29 - Sep 14 with 1070 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:22 - Sep 14 by lowhouseblue |
the people who are saying these things all share your political views and act together. everyone knows that. like you, rather than ever defend or even explain those views they instead rely on constant pathetic ad hominem attacks. like you, rather than respond reasonably to challenge and alternative political views they whinge about it being unfair and involving debating trickery. that fact that a group on here who all agree with each other do it doesn't make it any more true. a group being pathetic is no more impressive than just you being pathetic.
i asked mullet a question - which specific views did he consider to be fascist. he was using the term it's legitimate for someone to ask him to justify it. that's not clever debating skills or tricks - it's a challenge for him to justify his views. like you, he doesn't answer and instead we get the usual scripted nonsense about the question being unfair. take a look at your self- individually and as a part of your little gang on here - why won't you debate and respond to alternative views, questions and challenges. the fact is that a group has decided that this is the way to deal with political challenges. it is genuinely pathetic for a group of adults who are interested in politics to refuse to engage with criticism and critiques of their views - and the smokescreen about me not arguing fairly is just astonishingly juvenile.
this is the post which has panicked your little group into collective blubbing and bosom clutching:
"i know little about him and next to nothing before he was murdered. can you be specific about which of his views were 'fascist' and how you distinguish them from hard right or christian nationalist or social conservative etc views? and are fascist views distinct from advocating fascism as a political programme - and did he do that? genuinely know next to nothing about him."
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It's pretty obvious that you're trying to set up Mullet and/or others... you want them to give an example so you can jump all over it and twist it as to possibly not being facism, or a gateway to facism. Because you know, as well as everyone reading this nonsense, that as long as they're not actually wearing Nazi uniforms and goosestepping it's always possible to make an argument dismissing it.
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:35 - Sep 14 with 993 views | lowhouseblue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:29 - Sep 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's pretty obvious that you're trying to set up Mullet and/or others... you want them to give an example so you can jump all over it and twist it as to possibly not being facism, or a gateway to facism. Because you know, as well as everyone reading this nonsense, that as long as they're not actually wearing Nazi uniforms and goosestepping it's always possible to make an argument dismissing it.
We can all see it. |
"It's pretty obvious that you're trying to set up Mullet and/or others... you want them to give an example so you can jump all over it and twist it as to possibly not being facism, or a gateway to facism."
in what world is asking a question "setting someone up"? jeez. how fragile are you all? asking questions, responding to answers is how debate works. why are all so afraid of it. |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:39 - Sep 14 with 989 views | Swailsey |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:35 - Sep 14 by lowhouseblue |
"It's pretty obvious that you're trying to set up Mullet and/or others... you want them to give an example so you can jump all over it and twist it as to possibly not being facism, or a gateway to facism."
in what world is asking a question "setting someone up"? jeez. how fragile are you all? asking questions, responding to answers is how debate works. why are all so afraid of it. |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:41 - Sep 14 with 979 views | Libero |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:35 - Sep 14 by lowhouseblue |
"It's pretty obvious that you're trying to set up Mullet and/or others... you want them to give an example so you can jump all over it and twist it as to possibly not being facism, or a gateway to facism."
in what world is asking a question "setting someone up"? jeez. how fragile are you all? asking questions, responding to answers is how debate works. why are all so afraid of it. |
I feel bad for anyone that has to deal with you in person, you’re relentless.
No one here owes you a response to your “debate’” point - it’s not that people “can’t” answer your question, they just have no interest engaging with you (or others similarly disingenuous) for the reasons very eloquently laid out by others.
There is no organised collective here, just a group of independent people who all happen to think you consistently act like a silly sausage on the regular.
Personally, I’ll be putting you on block now, as you clearly love the attention and I don’t wish to contribute to it anymore. |  | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:42 - Sep 14 with 973 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:35 - Sep 14 by lowhouseblue |
"It's pretty obvious that you're trying to set up Mullet and/or others... you want them to give an example so you can jump all over it and twist it as to possibly not being facism, or a gateway to facism."
in what world is asking a question "setting someone up"? jeez. how fragile are you all? asking questions, responding to answers is how debate works. why are all so afraid of it. |
No-one's afraid of it. Lots of people ask questions and get answers on here, multiple times every day.
As Herbs says, maybe you should consider why people aren't engaging with yours.
And also, instead of these multiple posts on the same thing, your time could've been actually spent reading up on Kirk. | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:43 - Sep 14 with 968 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 11:23 - Sep 13 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Isn't it at least as dangerous to ignore clear fascist trends until it is too late?
fascism
/ˈfaʃɪz(ə)m/
noun
1. an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
▪ extremely authoritarian, intolerant, or oppressive ideas or behaviour:
"an outright ban is just fascism"
▪ very intolerant or domineering views or practices in a particular area:
"this is yet another example of health fascism in action"
Tell me these concerning trends are not present in any political parties and governments in the US, the UK, and continental Europe. |
It seems more important to some to ignore the signs and instead ‘debate’ the semantics around nomenclature*. I’m not sure whether this is because people are in denial or are defending the rise in authoritarianism, scapegoating minorities, turning the population against itself, abusing power to consolidate personal wealth, etc.
I could imagine some of these characters we see popping up in the press and on social media back in 1930s Britain: ‘Oh, I wouldn’t say Mosley is wearing a black shirt, it’s more a dark charcoal grey’.
*Not that accuracy isn’t important and there’s nothing wrong with making sure we use correct language. Just not at the expense of ignoring or deliberately deflecting from what’s playing out in front of us. We’ll regret letting this build more momentum imo. [Post edited 14 Sep 9:44]
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:45 - Sep 14 with 944 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:43 - Sep 14 by Swansea_Blue |
It seems more important to some to ignore the signs and instead ‘debate’ the semantics around nomenclature*. I’m not sure whether this is because people are in denial or are defending the rise in authoritarianism, scapegoating minorities, turning the population against itself, abusing power to consolidate personal wealth, etc.
I could imagine some of these characters we see popping up in the press and on social media back in 1930s Britain: ‘Oh, I wouldn’t say Mosley is wearing a black shirt, it’s more a dark charcoal grey’.
*Not that accuracy isn’t important and there’s nothing wrong with making sure we use correct language. Just not at the expense of ignoring or deliberately deflecting from what’s playing out in front of us. We’ll regret letting this build more momentum imo. [Post edited 14 Sep 9:44]
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:45 - Sep 14 with 913 views | lowhouseblue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:29 - Sep 14 by Herbivore |
I don't know any of the other posters who have formed a particular view of you but I know my politics are quite different to several of the posters who you seem to think form some sort of gang. I guess it's easier to dismiss a group as acting as a collective rather than seeing it for what it is, a large number of unconnected people growing tired of your constant dishonesty and bad faith.
I'll spell this out for you quite clearly. When someone only ever engages in bad faith and when they are constantly dishonest, refusing to engage in debate with them is a perfectly legitimate response. That is what is happening here. |
it's genuinely pathetic that you can't respond to challenges. and yes there is a gang on here who relentlessly pursue people they disagree with - it has been going on for years. this is just the latest version. the nonsense about objecting to the way i argue rather than what i post / question / challenge is utterly juvenile. what is happening here is that you're refusing to engage in debate. perhaps this is the only place you ever encounter different views - and this is how you deal with it. jeez. | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:51 - Sep 14 with 862 views | lowhouseblue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:41 - Sep 14 by Libero |
I feel bad for anyone that has to deal with you in person, you’re relentless.
No one here owes you a response to your “debate’” point - it’s not that people “can’t” answer your question, they just have no interest engaging with you (or others similarly disingenuous) for the reasons very eloquently laid out by others.
There is no organised collective here, just a group of independent people who all happen to think you consistently act like a silly sausage on the regular.
Personally, I’ll be putting you on block now, as you clearly love the attention and I don’t wish to contribute to it anymore. |
you're someone who repeatedly posts that violence is justified to confront fascism, but who then refuses to enter into any discussion of the definition of fascism. and you can't see the problem there? i really don't think i'll be missing a lot if you put me on ignore. bye. | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:00 - Sep 14 with 835 views | Libero |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:43 - Sep 14 by Swansea_Blue |
It seems more important to some to ignore the signs and instead ‘debate’ the semantics around nomenclature*. I’m not sure whether this is because people are in denial or are defending the rise in authoritarianism, scapegoating minorities, turning the population against itself, abusing power to consolidate personal wealth, etc.
I could imagine some of these characters we see popping up in the press and on social media back in 1930s Britain: ‘Oh, I wouldn’t say Mosley is wearing a black shirt, it’s more a dark charcoal grey’.
*Not that accuracy isn’t important and there’s nothing wrong with making sure we use correct language. Just not at the expense of ignoring or deliberately deflecting from what’s playing out in front of us. We’ll regret letting this build more momentum imo. [Post edited 14 Sep 9:44]
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Funny thing is, this is why I regularly prefix mentions of these scumbags as being ‘quasi-fascists’ - that acknowledgement doesn’t seem to matter to the disingenuous, they’re always outraged at the idea that anyone is being called a fascist much more than the demonstrably fascist actions. | | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:01 - Sep 14 with 824 views | Dubtractor |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:43 - Sep 14 by Swansea_Blue |
It seems more important to some to ignore the signs and instead ‘debate’ the semantics around nomenclature*. I’m not sure whether this is because people are in denial or are defending the rise in authoritarianism, scapegoating minorities, turning the population against itself, abusing power to consolidate personal wealth, etc.
I could imagine some of these characters we see popping up in the press and on social media back in 1930s Britain: ‘Oh, I wouldn’t say Mosley is wearing a black shirt, it’s more a dark charcoal grey’.
*Not that accuracy isn’t important and there’s nothing wrong with making sure we use correct language. Just not at the expense of ignoring or deliberately deflecting from what’s playing out in front of us. We’ll regret letting this build more momentum imo. [Post edited 14 Sep 9:44]
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I'd like to give this more than one uppy.
Just feels like a deliberate attempt to distract from the actual issue. |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:10 - Sep 14 with 762 views | lowhouseblue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:43 - Sep 14 by Swansea_Blue |
It seems more important to some to ignore the signs and instead ‘debate’ the semantics around nomenclature*. I’m not sure whether this is because people are in denial or are defending the rise in authoritarianism, scapegoating minorities, turning the population against itself, abusing power to consolidate personal wealth, etc.
I could imagine some of these characters we see popping up in the press and on social media back in 1930s Britain: ‘Oh, I wouldn’t say Mosley is wearing a black shirt, it’s more a dark charcoal grey’.
*Not that accuracy isn’t important and there’s nothing wrong with making sure we use correct language. Just not at the expense of ignoring or deliberately deflecting from what’s playing out in front of us. We’ll regret letting this build more momentum imo. [Post edited 14 Sep 9:44]
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this is a thread that started with the murder of charlie kirk. one possibility is that he was murdered because of his political views. possibly that his views put him in the eyes of some, including his murderer, beyond the political pale. that to them his views justified violence against him and indeed his murder. so these are not semantics around nomenclature. the labels we attach matter in real life. the way in which highly pejorative and emotional labels like 'fascist' are used really matters. we are slipping into extremes - with people relentlessly demonising their opponents - it's not semantics, it has real world consequences. | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:15 - Sep 14 with 726 views | Herbivore |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:43 - Sep 14 by Swansea_Blue |
It seems more important to some to ignore the signs and instead ‘debate’ the semantics around nomenclature*. I’m not sure whether this is because people are in denial or are defending the rise in authoritarianism, scapegoating minorities, turning the population against itself, abusing power to consolidate personal wealth, etc.
I could imagine some of these characters we see popping up in the press and on social media back in 1930s Britain: ‘Oh, I wouldn’t say Mosley is wearing a black shirt, it’s more a dark charcoal grey’.
*Not that accuracy isn’t important and there’s nothing wrong with making sure we use correct language. Just not at the expense of ignoring or deliberately deflecting from what’s playing out in front of us. We’ll regret letting this build more momentum imo. [Post edited 14 Sep 9:44]
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:17 - Sep 14 with 708 views | Herbivore |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:45 - Sep 14 by lowhouseblue |
it's genuinely pathetic that you can't respond to challenges. and yes there is a gang on here who relentlessly pursue people they disagree with - it has been going on for years. this is just the latest version. the nonsense about objecting to the way i argue rather than what i post / question / challenge is utterly juvenile. what is happening here is that you're refusing to engage in debate. perhaps this is the only place you ever encounter different views - and this is how you deal with it. jeez. |
I'm very specifically refusing to engage in debate with you. And I've given my reasons why, as have others. You can cry about it and call people pathetic and juvenile or you can reflect on why it is that so many people are done with your nonsense and don't want to engage with you. It seems you've predictably chosen the former. | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:22 - Sep 14 with 678 views | Libero |
This is a potentially pointless attempt to bring the conversation back round on topic, but…
I’ve been discussing this with friends who are much more clever than me and one just used the term “stochastic terrorist” to describe Charlie Kirk.
Id never heard the term before, so did a little reading online, very interesting- I think it’s a pretty apt description for how Kirk operated.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic_terrorism [Post edited 14 Sep 10:23]
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:27 - Sep 14 with 661 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:22 - Sep 14 by Libero |
This is a potentially pointless attempt to bring the conversation back round on topic, but…
I’ve been discussing this with friends who are much more clever than me and one just used the term “stochastic terrorist” to describe Charlie Kirk.
Id never heard the term before, so did a little reading online, very interesting- I think it’s a pretty apt description for how Kirk operated.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic_terrorism [Post edited 14 Sep 10:23]
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Yep- fits.
This is a man who when asked for his views on what a woman's place in society is, immediately asked "can we agree what a woman is".
As for fascist actions, Trump's administration are taking names of people criticial of Kirk on social media, and threatening to fire anyone on the military payroll who has engaged on social media in a way which is not supportive of Kirk. Its classic stuff and simply undeniable. [Post edited 14 Sep 10:55]
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:33 - Sep 14 with 619 views | Herbivore |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:01 - Sep 14 by Dubtractor |
I'd like to give this more than one uppy.
Just feels like a deliberate attempt to distract from the actual issue. |
That is precisely what it is. The other day I called out some fairly obvious racism from a poster (basically implying that Black people routinely riot and loot when a Black person is murdered) and latching on the the current alt-right narrative that nobody is talking about a white Ukrainian woman being murdered by a Black man in the US, even though it's been reported widely. The response of the individual involved in this thread was to say that Black people in the UK are mainly killed by Black people, despite this having nothing to do with the argument I was making. It's a constant and deliberate tactic to ignore the pernicious creep of racist views and increasingly far-right attitudes and instead to focus on those who call it out, usually by twisting or misrepresenting the substantive points being made.
At the same time, the posters that do this rarely, if ever, directly challenge posts that contain obvious racist tropes or support for far-right ideals. This is despite these posters saying we need to engage in debate with those that we disagree with and claiming to be of the left themselves. But on the evidence of how they actually engage, it's hard to conclude anything other than they don't really fundamentally disagree with the far-right and instead take issue with those that challenge the creep of the far-right. | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:37 - Sep 14 with 601 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:00 - Sep 14 by Libero |
Funny thing is, this is why I regularly prefix mentions of these scumbags as being ‘quasi-fascists’ - that acknowledgement doesn’t seem to matter to the disingenuous, they’re always outraged at the idea that anyone is being called a fascist much more than the demonstrably fascist actions. |
Glassers made a point earlier that in a way it’s been made easier for people to be disingenuous because the word fascist is used so frequently against anyone on the right. I think there’s some truth in that, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…
We’ve been sliding rightwards for a while and I think it’s right to point that out. We had the ‘are we sleepwalking towards fascism thread’ that was a good example - ‘towards’ being the key word. “Quasi-fascists” is a good catch all for people supporting the far right but who aren’t fully signed up members, but I suspect the subtlety is lost on them. I’d rather we focus on the actions of these movements and call them out for what they’re doing but also understand labels are useful. [Post edited 14 Sep 10:39]
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:52 - Sep 14 with 532 views | lowhouseblue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:17 - Sep 14 by Herbivore |
I'm very specifically refusing to engage in debate with you. And I've given my reasons why, as have others. You can cry about it and call people pathetic and juvenile or you can reflect on why it is that so many people are done with your nonsense and don't want to engage with you. It seems you've predictably chosen the former. |
isn't it coincidental though that the one centrist who is prepared to waste time debating with the majority on here is also the one that majority then labels as using unacceptably sneaky debating techniques? who could possibly have seen that coming?
seeing ideas you disagree with seems to have driven you to such collective apoplexy that you can't construct a reasoned response between you. pathetic is the level of it. | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 11:05 - Sep 14 with 481 views | lowhouseblue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:22 - Sep 14 by Libero |
This is a potentially pointless attempt to bring the conversation back round on topic, but…
I’ve been discussing this with friends who are much more clever than me and one just used the term “stochastic terrorist” to describe Charlie Kirk.
Id never heard the term before, so did a little reading online, very interesting- I think it’s a pretty apt description for how Kirk operated.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic_terrorism [Post edited 14 Sep 10:23]
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language and speech are not terrorism or violence. we already have the crimes incitement to violence, incitement to terrorism, and incitement of hatred - but those require legal proof rather than online mud-slinging. | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 11:11 - Sep 14 with 452 views | lowhouseblue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:33 - Sep 14 by Herbivore |
That is precisely what it is. The other day I called out some fairly obvious racism from a poster (basically implying that Black people routinely riot and loot when a Black person is murdered) and latching on the the current alt-right narrative that nobody is talking about a white Ukrainian woman being murdered by a Black man in the US, even though it's been reported widely. The response of the individual involved in this thread was to say that Black people in the UK are mainly killed by Black people, despite this having nothing to do with the argument I was making. It's a constant and deliberate tactic to ignore the pernicious creep of racist views and increasingly far-right attitudes and instead to focus on those who call it out, usually by twisting or misrepresenting the substantive points being made.
At the same time, the posters that do this rarely, if ever, directly challenge posts that contain obvious racist tropes or support for far-right ideals. This is despite these posters saying we need to engage in debate with those that we disagree with and claiming to be of the left themselves. But on the evidence of how they actually engage, it's hard to conclude anything other than they don't really fundamentally disagree with the far-right and instead take issue with those that challenge the creep of the far-right. |
"It's a constant and deliberate tactic to ignore the pernicious creep of racist views and increasingly far-right attitudes"
no, it's an attempt to debate stuff and to challenge your lazy self-satisfied arguments. you raised the murder rate of black brits while calling another poster racist and attempting to connect that differential murder rate and racism. i pointed to the home office stats which suggest something quite different. I have pointed this out to you but you haven't been able to respond.
not that anyone should care, i do find being smeared as far right to be very offensive. in terms of debating techniques that one is just plain nasty. i'm a life time member of the labour party, support the current government and would have almost no political differences from ministers like streeting. i know you disagree with all of that - but labelling it as far right is pathetic. [Post edited 14 Sep 11:15]
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 12:07 - Sep 14 with 312 views | NewcyBlue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:35 - Sep 14 by lowhouseblue |
"It's pretty obvious that you're trying to set up Mullet and/or others... you want them to give an example so you can jump all over it and twist it as to possibly not being facism, or a gateway to facism."
in what world is asking a question "setting someone up"? jeez. how fragile are you all? asking questions, responding to answers is how debate works. why are all so afraid of it. |
Jeez you’re repetitively dull. |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 13:00 - Sep 14 with 198 views | Trequartista |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 11:11 - Sep 14 by lowhouseblue |
"It's a constant and deliberate tactic to ignore the pernicious creep of racist views and increasingly far-right attitudes"
no, it's an attempt to debate stuff and to challenge your lazy self-satisfied arguments. you raised the murder rate of black brits while calling another poster racist and attempting to connect that differential murder rate and racism. i pointed to the home office stats which suggest something quite different. I have pointed this out to you but you haven't been able to respond.
not that anyone should care, i do find being smeared as far right to be very offensive. in terms of debating techniques that one is just plain nasty. i'm a life time member of the labour party, support the current government and would have almost no political differences from ministers like streeting. i know you disagree with all of that - but labelling it as far right is pathetic. [Post edited 14 Sep 11:15]
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The bullying and hatred and absolute refusal to accept alternative points of view from the radical leftists is totally out of control. Apologies for not being here to defend you, am not returning until this has calmed down, if at all. |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 13:02 - Sep 14 with 180 views | Herbivore |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:52 - Sep 14 by lowhouseblue |
isn't it coincidental though that the one centrist who is prepared to waste time debating with the majority on here is also the one that majority then labels as using unacceptably sneaky debating techniques? who could possibly have seen that coming?
seeing ideas you disagree with seems to have driven you to such collective apoplexy that you can't construct a reasoned response between you. pathetic is the level of it. |
It's not coincidental that a decent number of posters no longer want to engage with you, no. It's very much not coincidental, it's down to you being dishonest and a bad faith actor. I'm not sure how many more times this needs to be spelled out to you. Genuine centrists like Swanners have put you on ignore, you might want to reflect on that but you undoubtedly won't. | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 13:06 - Sep 14 with 155 views | Herbivore |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 11:11 - Sep 14 by lowhouseblue |
"It's a constant and deliberate tactic to ignore the pernicious creep of racist views and increasingly far-right attitudes"
no, it's an attempt to debate stuff and to challenge your lazy self-satisfied arguments. you raised the murder rate of black brits while calling another poster racist and attempting to connect that differential murder rate and racism. i pointed to the home office stats which suggest something quite different. I have pointed this out to you but you haven't been able to respond.
not that anyone should care, i do find being smeared as far right to be very offensive. in terms of debating techniques that one is just plain nasty. i'm a life time member of the labour party, support the current government and would have almost no political differences from ministers like streeting. i know you disagree with all of that - but labelling it as far right is pathetic. [Post edited 14 Sep 11:15]
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There's lies, damn lies, then there's lowhouse. Pathologically dishonest. I'm glad people see through you. | |
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