| The last thing this forum needs…. on 12:43 - Sep 17 with 879 views | Bloots |
| Well two points…. on 12:10 - Sep 17 by PhilTWTD |
1 A group of unnamed posters you spoke about in less than glowing terms.
2 I didn't suggest you did. |
….is more disagreement.
I’m the least of the issues (that others are also highlighting) on here.
Keep up the good work! |  |
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| Anyone you know? on 13:33 - Sep 17 with 714 views | lowhouseblue |
| Anyone you know? on 11:42 - Sep 17 by eireblue |
Okay, so you are now agreeing, the correct metric to look at is population growth.
Not an inflated figure, to imply population growth larger than it is.
Why use a particular stat, like OMG 3 Million immigrants, in a short period of time.
Why not, over the last 20 years, population has increased by 8.6 Million.
Or why not use a small accurate number.
Population growth over last 20 years has roughly been at 0.67%
At the moment, it as at about 1%
Yep, look around, for every 100 people you can see today, next year you will see a staggering, 101.
Yep let’s blame that additional 1% for all the countries wows. And conflate that with “illegal” migrants, the majority of which are refugees.
Yep, you carry on pandering to Farage.
How is it going with Benters, is he wavering yet? |
in the past 4 years total population has risen by 2.5 million almost entirely explained by net migration. that is an unprecedented inflow of people and speed of population growth. now we've agreed on that we're back to where we started. how have we housed that number of additional people without exacerbating the uk's long standing housing crisis. the rest is just you trying not to engage with that question. |  |
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| The last thing this forum needs…. on 13:37 - Sep 17 with 728 views | PhilTWTD |
| The last thing this forum needs…. on 12:43 - Sep 17 by Bloots |
….is more disagreement.
I’m the least of the issues (that others are also highlighting) on here.
Keep up the good work! |
True to some degree, although disagreement and arguing points are the lifeblood of any forum, as long as it's done respectfully and civilly, which for most part has been the case, to some extent surprisingly given the sensitivity of current events. I think one of the major issues, as has been highlighted by other people, is posters not involving themselves in debate, just making judgements on those who are from the outside. |  | | |
| The last thing this forum needs…. on 13:44 - Sep 17 with 648 views | noggin |
| The last thing this forum needs…. on 13:37 - Sep 17 by PhilTWTD |
True to some degree, although disagreement and arguing points are the lifeblood of any forum, as long as it's done respectfully and civilly, which for most part has been the case, to some extent surprisingly given the sensitivity of current events. I think one of the major issues, as has been highlighted by other people, is posters not involving themselves in debate, just making judgements on those who are from the outside. |
"I think one of the major issues, as has been highlighted by other people, is posters not involving themselves in debate, just making judgements on those who are from the outside."
100% this. |  |
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| The last thing this forum needs…. on 13:44 - Sep 17 with 627 views | blueasfook |
| The last thing this forum needs…. on 13:37 - Sep 17 by PhilTWTD |
True to some degree, although disagreement and arguing points are the lifeblood of any forum, as long as it's done respectfully and civilly, which for most part has been the case, to some extent surprisingly given the sensitivity of current events. I think one of the major issues, as has been highlighted by other people, is posters not involving themselves in debate, just making judgements on those who are from the outside. |
I think we could all agree we hate morris dancers though |  |
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| The last thing this forum needs…. on 13:55 - Sep 17 with 574 views | HairBearBunch |
| The last thing this forum needs…. on 13:44 - Sep 17 by blueasfook |
I think we could all agree we hate morris dancers though |
Be kind!
What’s wrong with Morris Dancers ? |  | | |
| Shut up, stupid person..... on 13:57 - Sep 17 with 554 views | Bloots |
| The last thing this forum needs…. on 13:44 - Sep 17 by blueasfook |
I think we could all agree we hate morris dancers though |
....Morris dancing is great.
You should try it.
I know a club. | |
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| I think the main reason.... on 14:05 - Sep 17 with 527 views | Bloots |
| The last thing this forum needs…. on 13:37 - Sep 17 by PhilTWTD |
True to some degree, although disagreement and arguing points are the lifeblood of any forum, as long as it's done respectfully and civilly, which for most part has been the case, to some extent surprisingly given the sensitivity of current events. I think one of the major issues, as has been highlighted by other people, is posters not involving themselves in debate, just making judgements on those who are from the outside. |
....that people don't engage in debate is purely because of the "pile-ons" that ensue.
Whether you notice the pile on or not is often dependent on your view of the initial comment.
This forum would be much better place if you could post your opinion and then only be told you are a helmet by a couple of people rather than have dozens of people telling you and then carrying on telling you for days.
When I see a ridiculous post, if someone has already told the poster that he/she is being ridiculous, then I don't feel the need to comment any further.
But on here everyone has to join in and as I said in my post that you decided to delete (incorrectly) this just leads to the mutual back slapping and congratulations.
People need to think a little more, but seem incapable of doing it unfortunately. | |
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| Anyone you know? on 14:32 - Sep 17 with 465 views | eireblue |
| Anyone you know? on 13:33 - Sep 17 by lowhouseblue |
in the past 4 years total population has risen by 2.5 million almost entirely explained by net migration. that is an unprecedented inflow of people and speed of population growth. now we've agreed on that we're back to where we started. how have we housed that number of additional people without exacerbating the uk's long standing housing crisis. the rest is just you trying not to engage with that question. |
Are there 2.5 million people walking around the streets?
No.
Have house prices risen faster than wages consistently before the last four years?
Yes.
Av House prices Q4 2022: 265,195 Q2 2024: 265,012, so house prices dropped during some of the period of time you are concerned about.
Is there a correlation between immigration and wage/house price/disparity?
Is there a correlation between immigration, and how many house can be built by local/central/private?
As you said long standing problem in the U.K. Not related to immigration.
One thing that has increased, is people with second un-occupied homes.
You are using a long term economic problem, as does Farage and co, to point at the immigrant as the issue. You are pointing at the 1 person in a 100.
Woe is me, how are we supposed to do X, when there are immigrants. |  | | |
| The last thing this forum needs…. on 15:12 - Sep 17 with 397 views | bluebud |
| The last thing this forum needs…. on 13:37 - Sep 17 by PhilTWTD |
True to some degree, although disagreement and arguing points are the lifeblood of any forum, as long as it's done respectfully and civilly, which for most part has been the case, to some extent surprisingly given the sensitivity of current events. I think one of the major issues, as has been highlighted by other people, is posters not involving themselves in debate, just making judgements on those who are from the outside. |
Cool. So after reading posts and making a judgement or having an opinion on people debating isn't welcome after a certain amount of time or posts. Got it. |  | | |
| The last thing this forum needs…. on 15:16 - Sep 17 with 366 views | noggin |
| The last thing this forum needs…. on 15:12 - Sep 17 by bluebud |
Cool. So after reading posts and making a judgement or having an opinion on people debating isn't welcome after a certain amount of time or posts. Got it. |
What? | |
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| Anyone you know? on 15:18 - Sep 17 with 340 views | lowhouseblue |
| Anyone you know? on 14:32 - Sep 17 by eireblue |
Are there 2.5 million people walking around the streets?
No.
Have house prices risen faster than wages consistently before the last four years?
Yes.
Av House prices Q4 2022: 265,195 Q2 2024: 265,012, so house prices dropped during some of the period of time you are concerned about.
Is there a correlation between immigration and wage/house price/disparity?
Is there a correlation between immigration, and how many house can be built by local/central/private?
As you said long standing problem in the U.K. Not related to immigration.
One thing that has increased, is people with second un-occupied homes.
You are using a long term economic problem, as does Farage and co, to point at the immigrant as the issue. You are pointing at the 1 person in a 100.
Woe is me, how are we supposed to do X, when there are immigrants. |
but as ever you don't answer the question. how have we housed that number of additional people without exacerbating the uk's long standing housing crisis? you know what exacerbating means of course. how about the fact that in many local authority areas a majority of social housing tenants are now foreign nationals - in some areas it's 2/3rds. how does that make someone who grew up in that area and is getting nowhere on the waiting list feel.? this started as an attempt to explain why such a large proportion of people think immigration has been too high - it feels as if you are quite desperate to avoid ever engaging with that.
there is an entirely legitimate public debate to be had about the right level of immigration and it needs to be democratically decided. whether you like it or not pressure on things like housing is one element in that debate.
and go on, you could come up with some reason why house prices fell in taht period irrespective of immigration surely. have you heard of interest rates? | |
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| I think the main reason.... on 15:19 - Sep 17 with 362 views | PhilTWTD |
| I think the main reason.... on 14:05 - Sep 17 by Bloots |
....that people don't engage in debate is purely because of the "pile-ons" that ensue.
Whether you notice the pile on or not is often dependent on your view of the initial comment.
This forum would be much better place if you could post your opinion and then only be told you are a helmet by a couple of people rather than have dozens of people telling you and then carrying on telling you for days.
When I see a ridiculous post, if someone has already told the poster that he/she is being ridiculous, then I don't feel the need to comment any further.
But on here everyone has to join in and as I said in my post that you decided to delete (incorrectly) this just leads to the mutual back slapping and congratulations.
People need to think a little more, but seem incapable of doing it unfortunately. |
I don't think that's the way things tend to pan out, and you've been accused of the same in the past. If a number of people take a similar view or argue against a particular comment or position, that's not necessarily a pile-on, just the nature of a Forum where lots of people can respond to someone's post.
I don't think it's particularly helpful to anyone to just post 'LOL' or similar. It adds nothing. | | | |
| I think the main reason.... on 15:39 - Sep 17 with 303 views | Mullet |
| I think the main reason.... on 15:19 - Sep 17 by PhilTWTD |
I don't think that's the way things tend to pan out, and you've been accused of the same in the past. If a number of people take a similar view or argue against a particular comment or position, that's not necessarily a pile-on, just the nature of a Forum where lots of people can respond to someone's post.
I don't think it's particularly helpful to anyone to just post 'LOL' or similar. It adds nothing. |
No it isn't |  |
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| Anyone you know? on 15:43 - Sep 17 with 265 views | DJR |
Not a lot of people know this, but one of the reasons that Yvette Cooper lost her job as Home Secretary was her failure to smash the gangs on TWTD.  |  | | |
| I think the main reason.... on 15:47 - Sep 17 with 238 views | Stenvict |
| I think the main reason.... on 15:39 - Sep 17 by Mullet |
No it isn't |
LOL |  |
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| I don't agree.... on 16:06 - Sep 17 with 182 views | Bloots |
| I think the main reason.... on 15:19 - Sep 17 by PhilTWTD |
I don't think that's the way things tend to pan out, and you've been accused of the same in the past. If a number of people take a similar view or argue against a particular comment or position, that's not necessarily a pile-on, just the nature of a Forum where lots of people can respond to someone's post.
I don't think it's particularly helpful to anyone to just post 'LOL' or similar. It adds nothing. |
....obviously.
It is absolutely the way it pans out, it's literally happening now and it'll probably happen again later today.
We often see a poster get told that they are talking rubbish, followed by an immediate flurry of posters saying the same thing and then hours or even days later someone who didn't get the opportunity to have a go earlier piles in and has their say.
To be clear it's not just politics where this happens, although that is obviously the subject that creates the most division.
In my opinion people on here need to rein in their desire to stick the knife in at every opportunity.
Some will agree, some won't agree (you included), I can live with that. | |
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| I don't agree.... on 16:20 - Sep 17 with 125 views | giant_stow |
| I don't agree.... on 16:06 - Sep 17 by Bloots |
....obviously.
It is absolutely the way it pans out, it's literally happening now and it'll probably happen again later today.
We often see a poster get told that they are talking rubbish, followed by an immediate flurry of posters saying the same thing and then hours or even days later someone who didn't get the opportunity to have a go earlier piles in and has their say.
To be clear it's not just politics where this happens, although that is obviously the subject that creates the most division.
In my opinion people on here need to rein in their desire to stick the knife in at every opportunity.
Some will agree, some won't agree (you included), I can live with that. |
I've been on the end of a few pileons in my twtd life - just to say that they're real and not very nice. You try to reply to everyone, but sometimes, the posts come so fast that that's impossible. Maybe Phil has never experienced that, so doesn't quite get it? (Sorry Philipe) [Post edited 17 Sep 16:21]
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| I don't agree.... on 16:30 - Sep 17 with 78 views | Libero |
| I don't agree.... on 16:06 - Sep 17 by Bloots |
....obviously.
It is absolutely the way it pans out, it's literally happening now and it'll probably happen again later today.
We often see a poster get told that they are talking rubbish, followed by an immediate flurry of posters saying the same thing and then hours or even days later someone who didn't get the opportunity to have a go earlier piles in and has their say.
To be clear it's not just politics where this happens, although that is obviously the subject that creates the most division.
In my opinion people on here need to rein in their desire to stick the knife in at every opportunity.
Some will agree, some won't agree (you included), I can live with that. |
Are you not just describing “free speech”?
People are free to say whatever stupid thing they want to, just as others a free to express their opinion on it… |  | | |
| I don't agree.... on 16:35 - Sep 17 with 56 views | PhilTWTD |
| I don't agree.... on 16:06 - Sep 17 by Bloots |
....obviously.
It is absolutely the way it pans out, it's literally happening now and it'll probably happen again later today.
We often see a poster get told that they are talking rubbish, followed by an immediate flurry of posters saying the same thing and then hours or even days later someone who didn't get the opportunity to have a go earlier piles in and has their say.
To be clear it's not just politics where this happens, although that is obviously the subject that creates the most division.
In my opinion people on here need to rein in their desire to stick the knife in at every opportunity.
Some will agree, some won't agree (you included), I can live with that. |
This is exactly what you and a couple of other posters have been accused of in the past. I agree, people need to rein in a desire to stick a knife in. But I think someone posting on an emotive subject is bound to get responses from lots of other posters. | | | |
| Anyone you know? on 16:41 - Sep 17 with 26 views | eireblue |
| Anyone you know? on 15:18 - Sep 17 by lowhouseblue |
but as ever you don't answer the question. how have we housed that number of additional people without exacerbating the uk's long standing housing crisis? you know what exacerbating means of course. how about the fact that in many local authority areas a majority of social housing tenants are now foreign nationals - in some areas it's 2/3rds. how does that make someone who grew up in that area and is getting nowhere on the waiting list feel.? this started as an attempt to explain why such a large proportion of people think immigration has been too high - it feels as if you are quite desperate to avoid ever engaging with that.
there is an entirely legitimate public debate to be had about the right level of immigration and it needs to be democratically decided. whether you like it or not pressure on things like housing is one element in that debate.
and go on, you could come up with some reason why house prices fell in taht period irrespective of immigration surely. have you heard of interest rates? |
So you agree with me, finance things like interest rates affect house prices, not immigrants.
And you have gone back to taking about immigration again instead of population size.
You are correct, I am not going to agree that framing the argument in terms of look it’s 1 person in a 100 causing the issue or 1 person in 150 people that is causes the issue. That one person isn’t the issue.
Explain to me this, there are 50 people currently living and working in Turkey, they have absolutely zero influence on a local council building a new house or a government creating a new garden city, or that Barrett Developments are going start building X houses in Shropshire. They live in Turkey.
So if they move to the U.K. in 2028, boo, immigrants we shouldn’t have let them in.
Absolute nonsense. How are they at fault.
Okay let’s do the Lowhouse/Farage thing. You people in Turkey, don’t even think about.
Barrett Developments, thanks Lowhouse, we will build more houses now, we weren’t going to but now we are. Because you have 1 immigrant per 150 instead of 1 immigrant per 100.
I don’t think building companies think like that.
If a person can’t get a house, I don’t think you should get angry at the people currently in a house.
Or are going back to old school Tory excuses, darn young women getting knocked up just because they want a council house, let’s blame teenagers.
By the way, Farage when put under any sort of pressure, is against controlling the numbers of people. He just says the things you are saying to get people angry, then quietly when questioned will say, yes of course we should allow people in to support industry as needed.
If people feel angry, you should tell them to be angry at the people that govern the 100, not blame the 1 new guy. | | | |
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