| Anyone you know? on 17:42 - Sep 17 with 2107 views | lowhouseblue |
| Anyone you know? on 16:41 - Sep 17 by eireblue |
So you agree with me, finance things like interest rates affect house prices, not immigrants.
And you have gone back to taking about immigration again instead of population size.
You are correct, I am not going to agree that framing the argument in terms of look it’s 1 person in a 100 causing the issue or 1 person in 150 people that is causes the issue. That one person isn’t the issue.
Explain to me this, there are 50 people currently living and working in Turkey, they have absolutely zero influence on a local council building a new house or a government creating a new garden city, or that Barrett Developments are going start building X houses in Shropshire. They live in Turkey.
So if they move to the U.K. in 2028, boo, immigrants we shouldn’t have let them in.
Absolute nonsense. How are they at fault.
Okay let’s do the Lowhouse/Farage thing. You people in Turkey, don’t even think about.
Barrett Developments, thanks Lowhouse, we will build more houses now, we weren’t going to but now we are. Because you have 1 immigrant per 150 instead of 1 immigrant per 100.
I don’t think building companies think like that.
If a person can’t get a house, I don’t think you should get angry at the people currently in a house.
Or are going back to old school Tory excuses, darn young women getting knocked up just because they want a council house, let’s blame teenagers.
By the way, Farage when put under any sort of pressure, is against controlling the numbers of people. He just says the things you are saying to get people angry, then quietly when questioned will say, yes of course we should allow people in to support industry as needed.
If people feel angry, you should tell them to be angry at the people that govern the 100, not blame the 1 new guy. |
what a lot of words just to avoid answering a simple question. i'm also not convinced that the order you've put them in makes much sense. hey ho. |  |
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| I don't agree.... on 00:32 - Sep 18 with 1678 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| I don't agree.... on 17:00 - Sep 17 by giant_stow |
Thanks for caring Blueas, but I don't think I'm strong enough to talk about right now.
(being serious, the last one was that women who got done for manslaughter on a cyclist in Huntington. Because I argued it was a miscarriage of justice, The Crowd decided that I was anti-cyclist, barking up conspiracy theory trees, ignoring legal facts and generally repulsive. She was later found not guilty on appeal and there was not one single apology) [Post edited 17 Sep 17:01]
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I apologise for my part in that, Ulla. I didn't see it as a pile-on but several of us trying to persuade you where we disagreed with you. I certainly didn't see it as personal either.
I was surprised by the verdict being overturned and can't recall the full details when that happened. I think there were issues over a lack of remorse, lack of legal support and the lady at the centre of the case having learning difficulties.
As I say, though, I am sorry you felt that was a pile-on and I apologise for my part in that. |  |
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| I don't agree.... on 01:01 - Sep 18 with 1645 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| I don't agree.... on 16:06 - Sep 17 by Bloots |
....obviously.
It is absolutely the way it pans out, it's literally happening now and it'll probably happen again later today.
We often see a poster get told that they are talking rubbish, followed by an immediate flurry of posters saying the same thing and then hours or even days later someone who didn't get the opportunity to have a go earlier piles in and has their say.
To be clear it's not just politics where this happens, although that is obviously the subject that creates the most division.
In my opinion people on here need to rein in their desire to stick the knife in at every opportunity.
Some will agree, some won't agree (you included), I can live with that. |
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| I don't agree.... on 01:40 - Sep 18 with 1616 views | Clapham_Junction |
| I don't agree.... on 17:00 - Sep 17 by giant_stow |
Thanks for caring Blueas, but I don't think I'm strong enough to talk about right now.
(being serious, the last one was that women who got done for manslaughter on a cyclist in Huntington. Because I argued it was a miscarriage of justice, The Crowd decided that I was anti-cyclist, barking up conspiracy theory trees, ignoring legal facts and generally repulsive. She was later found not guilty on appeal and there was not one single apology) [Post edited 17 Sep 17:01]
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I don't think this is an accurate representation of why you copped some flak in that thread. Halfway through the discussion you appeared to try blaming the victim for their death. It was an appalling thing to say.
Having re-read it, I'm struggling to see why it's scarred you. It's not like you got 97 downvotes or something. There was some robust debate in there but you also had supporters.
weird story: pedestrian jailed for causing death of a cyclist by giant_stow 9 Mar 2023 9:36If cars speed down a 3 lane 40mph limited road, because everyone does it, does that mean no one's speeding in law?
Re your last point, why has no one asked why the cyclist didn't swerve to the inside? If she had, no death. If the path was so wide and plentiful, that should have been an option.
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| I don't agree.... on 07:31 - Sep 18 with 1343 views | vapour_trail |
I’m going to take issue with you here BDS.
I’d say it’s hypocrisy, not rubbish. |  |
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| I don't agree.... on 08:06 - Sep 18 with 1267 views | noggin |
| I don't agree.... on 07:31 - Sep 18 by vapour_trail |
I’m going to take issue with you here BDS.
I’d say it’s hypocrisy, not rubbish. |
There are a couple of posters who are on my ignore list because of their childish bullying tactics. I have requested they, in turn, put me on ignore, to save the forum from the negativity.
Unfortunately they have refused my request, despite Phil also asking them, and so, although I can't see what they post, it becomes pretty obvious and the downvotes continue to be used for their weird amusement. It just makes a mockery of Phil's demands for the pettiness to stop.
They know who they are and It's clear from this thread that others are also fed up with their nonsense.
Oh well, Up the Town! |  |
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| I don't agree.... on 08:34 - Sep 18 with 1179 views | reusersfreekicks |
| I don't agree.... on 00:32 - Sep 18 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I apologise for my part in that, Ulla. I didn't see it as a pile-on but several of us trying to persuade you where we disagreed with you. I certainly didn't see it as personal either.
I was surprised by the verdict being overturned and can't recall the full details when that happened. I think there were issues over a lack of remorse, lack of legal support and the lady at the centre of the case having learning difficulties.
As I say, though, I am sorry you felt that was a pile-on and I apologise for my part in that. |
Edit - replied to wrong poster - apologies [Post edited 18 Sep 13:31]
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| I don't agree.... on 10:10 - Sep 18 with 1057 views | giant_stow |
| I don't agree.... on 00:32 - Sep 18 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I apologise for my part in that, Ulla. I didn't see it as a pile-on but several of us trying to persuade you where we disagreed with you. I certainly didn't see it as personal either.
I was surprised by the verdict being overturned and can't recall the full details when that happened. I think there were issues over a lack of remorse, lack of legal support and the lady at the centre of the case having learning difficulties.
As I say, though, I am sorry you felt that was a pile-on and I apologise for my part in that. |
Thanks loads nhs. I shouldnt have brought it up again. I think im a but too sensitive for the hard debates*, so try and stay out of them now.
Some of my comments on this thread have been jokes at my own expense, but i actually mean this one. |  |
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| I don't agree.... on 10:39 - Sep 18 with 993 views | giant_stow |
| I don't agree.... on 01:40 - Sep 18 by Clapham_Junction |
I don't think this is an accurate representation of why you copped some flak in that thread. Halfway through the discussion you appeared to try blaming the victim for their death. It was an appalling thing to say.
Having re-read it, I'm struggling to see why it's scarred you. It's not like you got 97 downvotes or something. There was some robust debate in there but you also had supporters.
weird story: pedestrian jailed for causing death of a cyclist by giant_stow 9 Mar 2023 9:36If cars speed down a 3 lane 40mph limited road, because everyone does it, does that mean no one's speeding in law?
Re your last point, why has no one asked why the cyclist didn't swerve to the inside? If she had, no death. If the path was so wide and plentiful, that should have been an option.
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I reject its unreasonable to discuss driver/cyclist/opperator skill in trying to fathom out a contributory cause of an accident. You continue with with emotive, very of-the-moment language like 'appalling' though. [Post edited 18 Sep 10:46]
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| I don't agree.... on 10:48 - Sep 18 with 933 views | J2BLUE |
| I don't agree.... on 10:10 - Sep 18 by giant_stow |
Thanks loads nhs. I shouldnt have brought it up again. I think im a but too sensitive for the hard debates*, so try and stay out of them now.
Some of my comments on this thread have been jokes at my own expense, but i actually mean this one. |
We can help you get hard mate. |  |
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| I don't agree.... on 10:57 - Sep 18 with 890 views | blueasfook |
| I don't agree.... on 10:48 - Sep 18 by J2BLUE |
We can help you get hard mate. |
Just show him some photos of his sister |  |
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| I don't agree.... on 11:04 - Sep 18 with 880 views | giant_stow |
| I don't agree.... on 10:57 - Sep 18 by blueasfook |
Just show him some photos of his sister |
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| I don't agree.... on 13:26 - Sep 18 with 725 views | noggin |
| I don't agree.... on 08:06 - Sep 18 by noggin |
There are a couple of posters who are on my ignore list because of their childish bullying tactics. I have requested they, in turn, put me on ignore, to save the forum from the negativity.
Unfortunately they have refused my request, despite Phil also asking them, and so, although I can't see what they post, it becomes pretty obvious and the downvotes continue to be used for their weird amusement. It just makes a mockery of Phil's demands for the pettiness to stop.
They know who they are and It's clear from this thread that others are also fed up with their nonsense.
Oh well, Up the Town! |
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| I don't agree.... on 13:55 - Sep 18 with 638 views | Clapham_Junction |
| I don't agree.... on 10:39 - Sep 18 by giant_stow |
I reject its unreasonable to discuss driver/cyclist/opperator skill in trying to fathom out a contributory cause of an accident. You continue with with emotive, very of-the-moment language like 'appalling' though. [Post edited 18 Sep 10:46]
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Regarding " driver/cyclist/opperator skill", I would agree if we were discussing someone turning at a roundabout or something. But this was a sudden and probably involuntary movement in response to something (you yourself used the word "swerve"), not a matter of skill.
I was once cycling up a steep hill (standing up to pedal) and my chain snapped as an HGV went past - luckily I fell leftwards into the verve, not rightwards under the HGV. If I'd fallen rightwards and died, would you have been questioning my cycling skills?
I'm bemused that you still can't see how insensitive/distasteful that comment was, and even more so that what you took away from that discussion was that you'd been unfairly maligned. | | | |
| I don't agree.... on 14:04 - Sep 18 with 593 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I don't agree.... on 13:55 - Sep 18 by Clapham_Junction |
Regarding " driver/cyclist/opperator skill", I would agree if we were discussing someone turning at a roundabout or something. But this was a sudden and probably involuntary movement in response to something (you yourself used the word "swerve"), not a matter of skill.
I was once cycling up a steep hill (standing up to pedal) and my chain snapped as an HGV went past - luckily I fell leftwards into the verve, not rightwards under the HGV. If I'd fallen rightwards and died, would you have been questioning my cycling skills?
I'm bemused that you still can't see how insensitive/distasteful that comment was, and even more so that what you took away from that discussion was that you'd been unfairly maligned. |
What were The Verve doing there? |  |
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| I don't agree.... on 14:15 - Sep 18 with 553 views | DJR |
| I don't agree.... on 10:10 - Sep 18 by giant_stow |
Thanks loads nhs. I shouldnt have brought it up again. I think im a but too sensitive for the hard debates*, so try and stay out of them now.
Some of my comments on this thread have been jokes at my own expense, but i actually mean this one. |
I'm glad to say my only comment on that thread was the following, which cuts both ways.
"My view is that you can't properly comment on a case unless you have sat through it.
The judge and the jury will have heard all the evidence etc, so the default assumption is that they have got it right." [Post edited 18 Sep 14:16]
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| I don't agree.... on 14:20 - Sep 18 with 526 views | itfcjoe |
He was certainly a Lucky Man that day |  |
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| I don't agree.... on 14:23 - Sep 18 with 504 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I don't agree.... on 14:20 - Sep 18 by itfcjoe |
He was certainly a Lucky Man that day |
Yeah, he could've been History. [Post edited 18 Sep 14:25]
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| I don't agree.... on 15:24 - Sep 18 with 391 views | giant_stow |
| I don't agree.... on 14:15 - Sep 18 by DJR |
I'm glad to say my only comment on that thread was the following, which cuts both ways.
"My view is that you can't properly comment on a case unless you have sat through it.
The judge and the jury will have heard all the evidence etc, so the default assumption is that they have got it right." [Post edited 18 Sep 14:16]
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My last post on this, as there's no value in carrying on.
I disagree that its impossible to comment on a case without being in the court throughout, sadly. *This* case hinged on clear video evidence. Taking quotes from the beeb report I linked:
"In our judgment, the prosecution case was insufficient even to be left to the jury.
In all the circumstances, we have no hesitation in concluding that the appellant's conviction for manslaughter is unsafe.
Dame Victoria and her fellow appeal judges agreed, ruling that the jury were not asked to decide "the fundamental question of whether a base offence was established".
The senior judge continued: "Had Mrs Ward not died we regard it as inconceivable that the appellant would have been charged with assault.""
...A clearly flawed case, mishandled by the judge and prosecution. I'm no legal expert, but it was easy to see that this was a miscarriage of justice and as such, anyone should be able to speak up about it.
Clapham, your lorry example sounds terrifying, but I'd encourage you go and look at the video again and ask yourself if her cycling aptitude really had no part to play in the accident? I'm sorry if I've been insensitive in making this point and its tragic that a women died, but I do believe in the merit of the point and that's a reasonable one to make.
If I felt "unfairly maligned" it was because of the suggestions that I was blindly anti-cycling or "down a rabbit hole", or disrespecting due process when all I was doing was sticking up for a vulnerable, partially sighted, disabled women who had been mistreated by the legal system. [Post edited 18 Sep 15:25]
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| I don't agree.... on 15:41 - Sep 18 with 339 views | DJR |
| I don't agree.... on 15:24 - Sep 18 by giant_stow |
My last post on this, as there's no value in carrying on.
I disagree that its impossible to comment on a case without being in the court throughout, sadly. *This* case hinged on clear video evidence. Taking quotes from the beeb report I linked:
"In our judgment, the prosecution case was insufficient even to be left to the jury.
In all the circumstances, we have no hesitation in concluding that the appellant's conviction for manslaughter is unsafe.
Dame Victoria and her fellow appeal judges agreed, ruling that the jury were not asked to decide "the fundamental question of whether a base offence was established".
The senior judge continued: "Had Mrs Ward not died we regard it as inconceivable that the appellant would have been charged with assault.""
...A clearly flawed case, mishandled by the judge and prosecution. I'm no legal expert, but it was easy to see that this was a miscarriage of justice and as such, anyone should be able to speak up about it.
Clapham, your lorry example sounds terrifying, but I'd encourage you go and look at the video again and ask yourself if her cycling aptitude really had no part to play in the accident? I'm sorry if I've been insensitive in making this point and its tragic that a women died, but I do believe in the merit of the point and that's a reasonable one to make.
If I felt "unfairly maligned" it was because of the suggestions that I was blindly anti-cycling or "down a rabbit hole", or disrespecting due process when all I was doing was sticking up for a vulnerable, partially sighted, disabled women who had been mistreated by the legal system. [Post edited 18 Sep 15:25]
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Many apologies, I didn't mean to my post to be provocative, and thought my response was fairly balanced and not at all personal in the way you describe because it was equally aimed at those having a go at you.
All I would say to conclude is that I have never had an issue with anything you've posted.
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| I don't agree.... on 15:45 - Sep 18 with 323 views | giant_stow |
| I don't agree.... on 15:41 - Sep 18 by DJR |
Many apologies, I didn't mean to my post to be provocative, and thought my response was fairly balanced and not at all personal in the way you describe because it was equally aimed at those having a go at you.
All I would say to conclude is that I have never had an issue with anything you've posted.
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You're alright DJR - I didn't take your post that way.
I guess I ought to develop a thicker skin - I never meant to drag this up, but I guess I was irked originally.
Edit: this has got embarrassing now! Sorry all. [Post edited 18 Sep 15:47]
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| I don't agree.... on 15:50 - Sep 18 with 300 views | DJR |
| I don't agree.... on 15:45 - Sep 18 by giant_stow |
You're alright DJR - I didn't take your post that way.
I guess I ought to develop a thicker skin - I never meant to drag this up, but I guess I was irked originally.
Edit: this has got embarrassing now! Sorry all. [Post edited 18 Sep 15:47]
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I don't think it is anything to do with a thicker skin. I am sure I would feel the same in your position.
Others on here, and elsewhere on social media, seem content to personalise things but that is not my way, nor yours.
And no need to feel embarrassed. [Post edited 18 Sep 15:51]
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