| What the F is going on at St James park 16:47 - Sep 28 with 2579 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
VAR denying as clear cut a penalty as I've ever seen. |  |
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| What the F is going on at St James park on 16:49 - Sep 28 with 2398 views | FrimleyBlue |
Very strange weekend for var and official decisions.
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| What the F is going on at St James park on 16:49 - Sep 28 with 2424 views | _clive_baker_ |
No doubt Pope got a touch but I don’t really understand why that means it’s not a foul. Can’t it be true that he touched the ball and also wiper out Gyokeres? |  | | |
| What the F is going on at St James park on 16:49 - Sep 28 with 2409 views | iamatractorboy |
After one view, I'd have agreed, but after a replay you can see Pope did touch it, so I've got sympathy with the ref on that one to be honest. Damned either way he decided, really. |  | | |
| What the F is going on at St James park on 16:53 - Sep 28 with 2347 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| What the F is going on at St James park on 16:49 - Sep 28 by iamatractorboy |
After one view, I'd have agreed, but after a replay you can see Pope did touch it, so I've got sympathy with the ref on that one to be honest. Damned either way he decided, really. |
Pope didn't play the ball though it deflected off him after the attackers touch.
The ref has basically said it the ball bobbled up and went over popes foot then that would have been a Pen.
It's this kind of granular analysis that is ruining football in my opinion. Any other league that's a penalty 99 times out of 100. | |
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| What the F is going on at St James park on 16:54 - Sep 28 with 2314 views | Ftnfwest |
Gyokores played it onto pope, the keeper still took him out. I though the check was going to be about whether if there was the suggestion of a touch by pope that meant it would save him from a sending off, which I would agree wasn’t merited. |  | | |
| What the F is going on at St James park on 16:57 - Sep 28 with 2250 views | Garv |
| What the F is going on at St James park on 16:49 - Sep 28 by _clive_baker_ |
No doubt Pope got a touch but I don’t really understand why that means it’s not a foul. Can’t it be true that he touched the ball and also wiper out Gyokeres? |
If outfield players can do that with a tackle and it be deemed fair, i.e the classic 'man and ball' then why can't a keeper?
I'm on the fence. The striker plays it against Pope, rather than Pope actively tackling the ball, he goes running after the ball and then Pope collides with him, so in that sense it's two separate things. But I can see why someone might view it differently.
Overall the fewer penalties the better in my opinion, so I'm glad it wasn't given. It will be debated to death sadly but there isn't a right or wrong answer every time. |  |
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| What the F is going on at St James park on 17:01 - Sep 28 with 2230 views | iamatractorboy |
| What the F is going on at St James park on 16:53 - Sep 28 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Pope didn't play the ball though it deflected off him after the attackers touch.
The ref has basically said it the ball bobbled up and went over popes foot then that would have been a Pen.
It's this kind of granular analysis that is ruining football in my opinion. Any other league that's a penalty 99 times out of 100. |
Surely there's a reasonable likelihood that a challenge from an opposition player (in this case Pope) will result in a touch from them on the ball after it's played onto them by the attacking player. In which case, does that touch never mean it's a successful challenge then? Does it have to be a conscious touch? Could a defender go into a challenge with a reasonable expectation that they're going to get something onto it without knowing exactly what that is (hope that makes sense)? I'm not saying you're wrong by the way. It's just not clear cut in my opinion. | | | |
| What the F is going on at St James park on 17:01 - Sep 28 with 2227 views | bazza |
No towel Allowed in the prem , the inconsistency of officials is ludicrous!! |  | | |
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| What the F is going on at St James park on 17:04 - Sep 28 with 2181 views | _clive_baker_ |
| What the F is going on at St James park on 16:57 - Sep 28 by Garv |
If outfield players can do that with a tackle and it be deemed fair, i.e the classic 'man and ball' then why can't a keeper?
I'm on the fence. The striker plays it against Pope, rather than Pope actively tackling the ball, he goes running after the ball and then Pope collides with him, so in that sense it's two separate things. But I can see why someone might view it differently.
Overall the fewer penalties the better in my opinion, so I'm glad it wasn't given. It will be debated to death sadly but there isn't a right or wrong answer every time. |
Take your point but I don’t think they can tbh, anywhere else on the pitch and that’s a foul.
Another VAR farce though, clear and obvious my hoop. He watched it 30 times and still didn’t look like he was any the wiser. | | | |
| What the F is going on at St James park on 17:17 - Sep 28 with 2039 views | olimar |
| What the F is going on at St James park on 16:57 - Sep 28 by Garv |
If outfield players can do that with a tackle and it be deemed fair, i.e the classic 'man and ball' then why can't a keeper?
I'm on the fence. The striker plays it against Pope, rather than Pope actively tackling the ball, he goes running after the ball and then Pope collides with him, so in that sense it's two separate things. But I can see why someone might view it differently.
Overall the fewer penalties the better in my opinion, so I'm glad it wasn't given. It will be debated to death sadly but there isn't a right or wrong answer every time. |
Pretty sure taking the man and the ball isnt allowed though? | | | |
| What the F is going on at St James park on 17:19 - Sep 28 with 2020 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What the F is going on at St James park on 17:17 - Sep 28 by olimar |
Pretty sure taking the man and the ball isnt allowed though? |
If its ball first and not excessive force, its generally fine. Though one might draw a distinction between incidents where the player falls over a tackler after the ball has been won, and one where the tackler gets the ball and then clobbers the man as well. [Post edited 28 Sep 17:24]
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| What the F is going on at St James park on 17:29 - Sep 28 with 1925 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What the F is going on at St James park on 17:19 - Sep 28 by redrickstuhaart |
If its ball first and not excessive force, its generally fine. Though one might draw a distinction between incidents where the player falls over a tackler after the ball has been won, and one where the tackler gets the ball and then clobbers the man as well. [Post edited 28 Sep 17:24]
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Seen it now. Not a foul. Gets a toe on the ball before contact with the man which comes as a natural consequence of that touch (rather than taking him out intnetionally afterwards). Not sure what the argument is really. | | | |
| What the F is going on at St James park on 17:41 - Sep 28 with 1822 views | Mullet |
Baffling it wasn’t given. Getting a touch on it doesn’t seem to prevent it being a foul either these days so it’s completely subjective. Given King got booked in the Villa game and was in less control of the ball etc it seems odd. |  |
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| What the F is going on at St James park on 18:23 - Sep 28 with 1644 views | stonojnr |
Not a penalty for me, keeper allowed to go for the ball, gets the ball, barely much contact made with the player as hes trying not to, and that's Arsenal players rolling around theatrically again, quelle surprise.
The way people were talking about it sounded like the goalie had just run out body checked their player and got just a toe on the ball to save him | | | |
| What the F is going on at St James park on 18:41 - Sep 28 with 1566 views | Denny32 |
Pope has been an utter tool for Newcastle..standsby to watch 1st goal go in ...gives away the ball for the corner for second.and comes out amongst a group of of bigger players to try and fist away the ball instead of staying on his line..a complete tool !! | | | |
| What the F is going on at St James park on 18:49 - Sep 28 with 1522 views | StNeotsBlue |
| What the F is going on at St James park on 18:41 - Sep 28 by Denny32 |
Pope has been an utter tool for Newcastle..standsby to watch 1st goal go in ...gives away the ball for the corner for second.and comes out amongst a group of of bigger players to try and fist away the ball instead of staying on his line..a complete tool !! |
That's a bit harsh, made a couple of excellent saves from Eze, I'm guessing you had a couple of quid on Newcastle! |  | | |
| What the F is going on at St James park on 20:24 - Sep 28 with 1294 views | LeoMuff |
| What the F is going on at St James park on 18:23 - Sep 28 by stonojnr |
Not a penalty for me, keeper allowed to go for the ball, gets the ball, barely much contact made with the player as hes trying not to, and that's Arsenal players rolling around theatrically again, quelle surprise.
The way people were talking about it sounded like the goalie had just run out body checked their player and got just a toe on the ball to save him |
His knee took him out, yes he made a meal of it but very clear contact. Pope touching the ball is irrelevant, striker would have got to it for a chance on goal.
Very clear pen for me, an atrocious decision |  |
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| What the F is going on at St James park on 21:16 - Sep 28 with 1167 views | Garv |
| What the F is going on at St James park on 17:04 - Sep 28 by _clive_baker_ |
Take your point but I don’t think they can tbh, anywhere else on the pitch and that’s a foul.
Another VAR farce though, clear and obvious my hoop. He watched it 30 times and still didn’t look like he was any the wiser. |
Clear and obvious is a myth, it doesn't work. A referee should not be having to judge whether something is 'clear and obvious' enough to overturn a decision he has already made in real time. He will generally judge it on merit, and rightly so. We're asking officials to referee the game and then be their own evaluator all in one go. It's nonsense, just like the whole idea of VAR itself. Always has been, was always going to be and always will be. | |
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| What the F is going on at St James park on 21:17 - Sep 28 with 1145 views | Garv |
| What the F is going on at St James park on 20:24 - Sep 28 by LeoMuff |
His knee took him out, yes he made a meal of it but very clear contact. Pope touching the ball is irrelevant, striker would have got to it for a chance on goal.
Very clear pen for me, an atrocious decision |
For the amount he was diving around trying to win fouls it's the right thing he didn't get that penalty, whether Pope touched the ball or not. | |
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| What the F is going on at St James park on 21:20 - Sep 28 with 1135 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What the F is going on at St James park on 20:24 - Sep 28 by LeoMuff |
His knee took him out, yes he made a meal of it but very clear contact. Pope touching the ball is irrelevant, striker would have got to it for a chance on goal.
Very clear pen for me, an atrocious decision |
Since when is it a foul when you get the ball? | | | |
| What the F is going on at St James park on 22:15 - Sep 28 with 976 views | BrayBlue |
| What the F is going on at St James park on 18:41 - Sep 28 by Denny32 |
Pope has been an utter tool for Newcastle..standsby to watch 1st goal go in ...gives away the ball for the corner for second.and comes out amongst a group of of bigger players to try and fist away the ball instead of staying on his line..a complete tool !! |
Arsenal’s winner should never have stood! Pope was impeded as he took a kick out, from which Arsenal won the corner they scored from. Pope was protesting to the ref when it happened - cannot understand why VAR did not review it?
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| What the F is going on at St James park on 05:40 - Sep 29 with 735 views | charlie1 |
The handball that wasn't given looked identical to the one given against Leif in the Derby game to me.
But nothing about any of this makes sense to me any more. | | | |
| What the F is going on at St James park on 07:17 - Sep 29 with 633 views | Chrisd |
100%. Handball has become a nonsense with VAR, ridiculous reasoning for decisions. If that went against us, I’d be fuming. | |
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| What the F is going on at St James park on 09:08 - Sep 29 with 436 views | Vaughan8 |
Pope touched the ball (luckily or not) before he touched the player. Someone earlier said he didn't play the ball... course he did, he touched it.
On first viewing looked a certain penalty but getting a touch before the player is a great tackle and is exactly why VAR is brought in. [Post edited 29 Sep 9:08]
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| What the F is going on at St James park on 11:59 - Sep 29 with 271 views | WeWereZombies |
| What the F is going on at St James park on 17:01 - Sep 28 by bazza |
No towel Allowed in the prem , the inconsistency of officials is ludicrous!! |
It wasn't his towel to take, and he knew it. |  |
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