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We'll see many more games like that this season, where teams largely look to nullify us and play on the counter. We need to be better in the final third, and a few players weren't at their best tonight, but we're not going to rock up to the grounds of play off chasing teams and blow them away. It just isn't going to happen, and I think some of our fanbase need to recalibrate their expectations a bit.
That's 7 points from the last 3 games, and the chance to shut the budgies up on Sunday.
There is plenty to be getting behind, if you want to.
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Slightly surprised by the level of negativity on here tbh on 00:03 - Oct 1 by charlie1
Not surprisingly at all i'm afraid.
We could win the 2028 Champions League Final 8-0 and all you'd hear from some on here is a massive whine that at we lost the coin toss.
Some people are just like that.
That’s a ridiculous comment!
Look at our spend since we got promoted and the output, it isn’t all that great! Our fan base are so desperate to cover over the cracks of our recruitment!
Slightly surprised by the level of negativity on here tbh on 03:27 - Oct 1 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior
That’s a ridiculous comment!
Look at our spend since we got promoted and the output, it isn’t all that great! Our fan base are so desperate to cover over the cracks of our recruitment!
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And all the years and years of watching football tells you that exactly how many clubs who spend vastly more than everyone else, go through each season winning every single game??
Give me a number.
Is it quite close to zero?
And that's the trouble with money in football. People lose their minds snd it leads to massively unrealistic demands for success.
Why are people being so eager and drsperate to deride their own club who have an ownership group and manager better than the majority of us have ever seen here?
As pointed out repeatedly elsewhere, win our game in hand and we will be very close to top 4, with a squad containing 11(?) new faces, the rest scarred by a tough Prem campaign, without really getting out of second gear.
Im not saying that's a great start, but a blind man can see we're not the finished article. Why the incessant criticism that money spent means we instantly and continuously should be??
Tough life ahead for those who choose to live in such a negative world.
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Slightly surprised by the level of negativity on here tbh on 07:39 - Oct 1 with 545 views
I’m surprised that you are surprised! 10 points from 7 games is a poor return for the top spending team in the league. The wage and spend disparity absolutely should afford us an advantage, as we saw with Leicester who beat us to the title last time out.
There are signs of improvement, but I doubt even Ashton or McKenna are pleased with the start we’ve had. Other teams have had similar turnover of players and don’t look like complete strangers. It’s not the end of the world (and we are fortunate to have a game in hand), but I think it’s odd to not be at least somewhat disappointed in how we’ve started the season.
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Slightly surprised by the level of negativity on here tbh on 08:00 - Oct 1 with 521 views
Home form is definitely improving and at times, some decent stuff being played.
Clearly a lot of work to do away from home. KM needs to find a way to win games. However you dress it up, just two goals scored in away league games. Both penalties. Needs to be improved on. Not sure making six changes helped either. We looked pretty disjointed last night.
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Slightly surprised by the level of negativity on here tbh on 08:34 - Oct 1 with 493 views
Slightly surprised by the level of negativity on here tbh on 07:53 - Oct 1 by SuperKieranMcKenna
I’m surprised that you are surprised! 10 points from 7 games is a poor return for the top spending team in the league. The wage and spend disparity absolutely should afford us an advantage, as we saw with Leicester who beat us to the title last time out.
There are signs of improvement, but I doubt even Ashton or McKenna are pleased with the start we’ve had. Other teams have had similar turnover of players and don’t look like complete strangers. It’s not the end of the world (and we are fortunate to have a game in hand), but I think it’s odd to not be at least somewhat disappointed in how we’ve started the season.
I’m not surprised because let’s face it, we don’t exactly have the best supporters in the world. I am surprised at the levels of hate, derision and downright nastiness shown towards players who represent this club. It’s beyond criticism (which is part of life and indeed what a forum is for) and the worst I’ve even known. It’s destructive and achieves nothing.
What we have paid out is only relevant in that it means we have better players than most of the rest - and we do. But that doesn’t guarantee they’re all going to instantly play like Brazil 1970. It doesn’t work that way. Never did, never will.
10 points from 7 games is not poor. It is less than I hoped for. Disappointing in that for me we should be aiming at 2 points per game so we are 4 points off, but it’s not catastrophic and that team isn’t a million miles off. 10 from 7 equates to 65 points seasons end - mid table.
If we are mid table in December I’ll be worried. If we are 65 points at the end of the season, that’ll be poor and actually unacceptable. It’s a results business and some serious conversations in the club will need to be had - assuming the club has not been sold on. However we are 39 games away from that.
Oh and we are not fortunate to have a game in hand. It should have been abandoned a lot earlier and Greaves’ Red card should have been rescinded.
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Slightly surprised by the level of negativity on here tbh on 08:38 - Oct 1 with 477 views
Slightly surprised by the level of negativity on here tbh on 04:14 - Oct 1 by charlie1
And all the years and years of watching football tells you that exactly how many clubs who spend vastly more than everyone else, go through each season winning every single game??
Give me a number.
Is it quite close to zero?
And that's the trouble with money in football. People lose their minds snd it leads to massively unrealistic demands for success.
Why are people being so eager and drsperate to deride their own club who have an ownership group and manager better than the majority of us have ever seen here?
As pointed out repeatedly elsewhere, win our game in hand and we will be very close to top 4, with a squad containing 11(?) new faces, the rest scarred by a tough Prem campaign, without really getting out of second gear.
Im not saying that's a great start, but a blind man can see we're not the finished article. Why the incessant criticism that money spent means we instantly and continuously should be??
Tough life ahead for those who choose to live in such a negative world.
Really.
There's a thin line between being patient, and being a happy clapper.
Plenty here and elsewhere still love to harp on the fact that we were a "League One team" and the Evans years even though we are now a parachute team and Evans has been gone for more than 4 years.
Guess you and many were saying that the gap was too wide and even the riches we spent in the Prem couldn't have kept us up.
Look at Leeds and especially Sunderland this season...
Sunderland were in League One only a year before us, and under Donald and Satori went close to going bust. Yet they spent less than us in the summer and look where they are now?
With hindsight: our recruitment last summer was $hite. Yet plenty here were getting defensive when the same was said, throwing up excuses like "Prem players won't want to sign for a newly-promoted club"
Every season in the Champ there's always one or two parachute clubs that have ripped up the division. Leicester and Saints haven't this time round because they are a financial basket case. Just look at how many players they signed this summer. Us, however is a different story. We splurged the parachute cash, and look where we are now. Drawing and losing to clubs we would have easily beaten in 23/24.
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Slightly surprised by the level of negativity on here tbh on 08:43 - Oct 1 with 461 views
Slightly surprised by the level of negativity on here tbh on 08:40 - Oct 1 by ITFCSG
Really.
There's a thin line between being patient, and being a happy clapper.
Plenty here and elsewhere still love to harp on the fact that we were a "League One team" and the Evans years even though we are now a parachute team and Evans has been gone for more than 4 years.
Guess you and many were saying that the gap was too wide and even the riches we spent in the Prem couldn't have kept us up.
Look at Leeds and especially Sunderland this season...
Sunderland were in League One only a year before us, and under Donald and Satori went close to going bust. Yet they spent less than us in the summer and look where they are now?
With hindsight: our recruitment last summer was $hite. Yet plenty here were getting defensive when the same was said, throwing up excuses like "Prem players won't want to sign for a newly-promoted club"
Every season in the Champ there's always one or two parachute clubs that have ripped up the division. Leicester and Saints haven't this time round because they are a financial basket case. Just look at how many players they signed this summer. Us, however is a different story. We splurged the parachute cash, and look where we are now. Drawing and losing to clubs we would have easily beaten in 23/24.
We lost at Preston and drew at Birmingham in 23/24. And that was a crap Birmingham team too.
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I started humping volcanoes baby, when I was too young.
Don't let facts spoil it Dubbers on 08:47 - Oct 1 by Dyland
You rotter.
Ha.
I get the frustration, I really do, but when we were the big budget team in league one we saw games like last night loads of times, including that winless run culminating in the Bristol Rovers game, and over time we evolved the way we approached them and cracked the code.
We also had loads of scrappy performances on the road in 23/24, grinding out results.
I just wish people could reflect and be a bit more patient.
I was born underwater, I dried out in the sun.
I started humping volcanoes baby, when I was too young.
Slightly surprised by the level of negativity on here tbh on 08:40 - Oct 1 by ITFCSG
Really.
There's a thin line between being patient, and being a happy clapper.
Plenty here and elsewhere still love to harp on the fact that we were a "League One team" and the Evans years even though we are now a parachute team and Evans has been gone for more than 4 years.
Guess you and many were saying that the gap was too wide and even the riches we spent in the Prem couldn't have kept us up.
Look at Leeds and especially Sunderland this season...
Sunderland were in League One only a year before us, and under Donald and Satori went close to going bust. Yet they spent less than us in the summer and look where they are now?
With hindsight: our recruitment last summer was $hite. Yet plenty here were getting defensive when the same was said, throwing up excuses like "Prem players won't want to sign for a newly-promoted club"
Every season in the Champ there's always one or two parachute clubs that have ripped up the division. Leicester and Saints haven't this time round because they are a financial basket case. Just look at how many players they signed this summer. Us, however is a different story. We splurged the parachute cash, and look where we are now. Drawing and losing to clubs we would have easily beaten in 23/24.
There’s a thin line between objective criticism and being a prominent member of the growing wet bedsheet club.
Leeds and Sunderland? Didn’t realise the season was over. They’ve done brilliantly - especially Leeds if we igniore the years they spent in the PL and the dogs dinner they made of 2023/24 with a stronger squad than we have now.
Sunderland? They spent about £11m in 24/25 and over £180m in the summer, some of it funded by Bellingham’s sale. They’ve done well to finish the season so high.
So all our recruitment was s£#&e. So I presume You’ll be at the front of the protests with your homemade banner demanding McKenna out and sack the board. Ahhh, those halcyon days of Evans eh.
All our recruitment wasn’t as you describe it. I’ve seen Egeli play. He’s young, learning and cost about £20m. If I was a gambler I’d put money on him being worth a lot more than that in 18 months time. Matusiwa? Seen him play? I have and he’s a better player than Morsy, albeit not as influential yet. Nunez? A tad harsh to describe him in the way you have when he’s barely played. Furlong. Seen him? Better than anyone else we’ve had in that position and seems to be able to stay fit.
So in my view ‘our recruitment last summer was $hite’ doesn’t really stack up, but I suppose it adds a little colour to the message.
Losing to clubs? We’ve lost once in seven games. Would the two year ago team have done better? Probably but that was an established side. It’s easy and very convenient to forget that most of those players were assembled by Cook, started with patchy results and finished a mile off the play offs in L1.
Even in the promotion season it looked like play offs until the post Feb run, despite having players that cost far more than their opponents. Instant success is rare. Try congratulating Sunderland rather than using them to beat up this club.
Sorry if this doesn’t fit the perspective free narrative but that’s how it was.
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Slightly surprised by the level of negativity on here tbh on 09:22 - Oct 1 with 409 views
As expected really given the negativity in general on here. Its a good away point but the entitlement of some top the fans is impressive. It's pretty much a new team and they need time to gel. It will be fine and we'll be back to winning ways against the scum on Sunday
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Slightly surprised by the level of negativity on here tbh on 09:27 - Oct 1 with 399 views
Bristol are a good side and they created more clear opportunities to score yesterday, while we had the majority of the ball. That would be my concern if we have many more games like that this season, because the team with the better chances should win more often than not. Hopefully we have a few more gears to find though.
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Slightly surprised by the level of negativity on here tbh on 11:54 - Oct 1 with 301 views
Slightly surprised by the level of negativity on here tbh on 22:08 - Sep 30 by TractorWood
We are 13th in the championship with a net spend of £100m of players who should be embarrassing at this level.
I'm surprised by how meek some of our fans expectations are given our context. Fair enough if it was still in the Evans days but the game has changed. Literally.
No point looking at the table this early on.
My old man always used to say it's not worth looking at until at least 10 games in.
No need to panic yet.
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Lack of cohesion is exactly it Caffers on 11:57 - Oct 1 with 298 views
Slightly surprised by the level of negativity on here tbh on 22:24 - Sep 30 by Cafe_Newman
Thanks Dubbers
Currently we lack a bit of cohesion, but that's it. We've lost one game in 7 and no one is really running away with the league. Only one team is averaging 2 points per game or more.
Are people over-reacting? Of course they are.
Thanks for your sense of proportion.
I think I'm a little disappointed cos I thought we were further on down the clicking clickity click road. And so many changes felt a bit, I dunno... meh?
Slightly surprised by the level of negativity on here tbh on 08:38 - Oct 1 by TRUE_BLUE123
I expect us to at least rock up at these grounds and have a shot on target from open play.
3 away games. 2 goals both from soft penalties. Looked poor going forward in all 3 of them. Look vulnerable from one long ball forward in every game.
Nothing soft about last night's penalty. It was created by a good pass, and a great run. Akpom's heel was caught. Stonewall penalty created by the attack - yes, the defender can be disappointed that he was too slow, but we made made penalty with our play. Nothing faked, no dramatics Even Struber gets that..
You're searching for negativity if you claim that was a soft/lucky/undeserved penalty.
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Slightly surprised by the level of negativity on here tbh on 13:02 - Oct 1 with 229 views
Slightly surprised by the level of negativity on here tbh on 08:40 - Oct 1 by ITFCSG
Really.
There's a thin line between being patient, and being a happy clapper.
Plenty here and elsewhere still love to harp on the fact that we were a "League One team" and the Evans years even though we are now a parachute team and Evans has been gone for more than 4 years.
Guess you and many were saying that the gap was too wide and even the riches we spent in the Prem couldn't have kept us up.
Look at Leeds and especially Sunderland this season...
Sunderland were in League One only a year before us, and under Donald and Satori went close to going bust. Yet they spent less than us in the summer and look where they are now?
With hindsight: our recruitment last summer was $hite. Yet plenty here were getting defensive when the same was said, throwing up excuses like "Prem players won't want to sign for a newly-promoted club"
Every season in the Champ there's always one or two parachute clubs that have ripped up the division. Leicester and Saints haven't this time round because they are a financial basket case. Just look at how many players they signed this summer. Us, however is a different story. We splurged the parachute cash, and look where we are now. Drawing and losing to clubs we would have easily beaten in 23/24.
I won't disagree that some people over play the 'League 1 club' card now, but on the flip side, we were outside the top flight for 22 years, in a club stagnating with no investment for much of that (and the investment we did get in the first few Evan's years was squandered).
Leeds and Sunderland have been ahead of us for most of those years, including many years in the PL. They were not stagnating or declining in the same way,
For us it's not just the players on the pitch, it's the infrastructure too. This is improving, and will improve more. Eventually we will be supported from within the academy too - and this will bring talent and revenue generation.
What was broken will take time to completely fix - it's getting there, but still has a few years of necessary regeneration required. Only then will we truly be on an equal level with the likes of Leeds, Leicester, Sunderland, etc. Even the likes of WBA have been part of the top-table more recently than us.
There is still perspective that needs accounting for.
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Slightly surprised by the level of negativity on here tbh on 13:22 - Oct 1 with 199 views
Slightly surprised by the level of negativity on here tbh on 04:14 - Oct 1 by charlie1
And all the years and years of watching football tells you that exactly how many clubs who spend vastly more than everyone else, go through each season winning every single game??
Give me a number.
Is it quite close to zero?
And that's the trouble with money in football. People lose their minds snd it leads to massively unrealistic demands for success.
Why are people being so eager and drsperate to deride their own club who have an ownership group and manager better than the majority of us have ever seen here?
As pointed out repeatedly elsewhere, win our game in hand and we will be very close to top 4, with a squad containing 11(?) new faces, the rest scarred by a tough Prem campaign, without really getting out of second gear.
Im not saying that's a great start, but a blind man can see we're not the finished article. Why the incessant criticism that money spent means we instantly and continuously should be??
Tough life ahead for those who choose to live in such a negative world.
When did I mention winning every single game? It would be nice to win one away soon though!
I’ve already seen some people saying they’d be happy with the playoffs, we shouldn’t be, in my opinion.
How many of the teams that have finished 1st or 2nd in the last 5-6 years were parachute clubs? We absolutly might be one of those again this year as well, time will tell. I think we should be fine but it’s unfair to call people a bunch of moaners for questioning some aspects of recruitment and performance.
Have you seen some teams this year that went up and spent and how they’re doing in the PL?
It’s wrong to say that money doesn’t buy success in football. I just think we’ve messed up a fair few times in terms of player purchases since summer 2024. Even some of the players we are turning out this year really don’t look head and shoulders above at top end of the EFL level and the fees were huge.
I’m just talking about the overall picture since we went up really, I don’t think it’s wrong to have an expectation of automatic promotion in a league that looks all over the place and for a team with stability in terms of the manager to start putting lower opposition to the sword.
Once we get going let’s hope that all happens. We’ve got some very good players and some that I have my doubts on but it doesn’t seem to be where we need to be yet. I am confident it can get there though.
Lack of cohesion is exactly it Caffers on 11:57 - Oct 1 by Dyland
I think I'm a little disappointed cos I thought we were further on down the clicking clickity click road. And so many changes felt a bit, I dunno... meh?
Agree with you though.
I think yesterday's starting XI was a clear nod towards our set up on Sunday. KMcK wanting to give our subs an extended run out together. I was glad that we equalised before Hirst, Philogene and Walle Egeli came on.
Yep, we're not as far along Clickity-click Cresent as we'd like to be, but patience is a virtue and all that.
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Slightly surprised by the level of negativity on here tbh on 18:58 - Oct 1 with 66 views
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