| Everyone's gone mad!!!! 16:11 - Oct 1 with 1204 views | Nutkins_Return |
Maybe me included!
We're all seeing different things on the pitch. I think that's coming down to the fact we are disjointed at times and there are really nice bits of play starting to come in but there is still some clumsy play and moments where players aren't on the same wavelength.
I think I went too far with "excellent display" last night but I was so heartened to see some patterns of play coming together. 16-17 minutes we were stroking it around them like I haven't seen us play in a long time. Start of second half again total dominance on the ball but ultimately limited chance creation.
I was worried after the Birmingham game. Southampton was a step forward and last few games Sheffield Utd (second half) , Pompey and this game there are some improvements.
But we were not excellent for the whole game so I got that statement wrong. On balance though I stand by a decent away performance and it just feels like we are growing.
Win the game in hand and we'd be joint 3rd (4th on goal difference). The only point I'm making with that is the table is really tight and we are in the mix and we haven't got out of 2nd gear. Feeling confident this team can kick on big time. |  |
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| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 16:15 - Oct 1 with 1061 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
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| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 16:21 - Oct 1 with 1017 views | ArnieM |
It can look different to people for sure.
But how much of us "stroking it around them for 15 -16 mins" or so, was really them just sitting back and letting us play the ball around the centre of the pitch or in our half,though? Ots nice to watch, for sure, but atm there's no end product or threat, AND when we do finally lose that possession we are looking vulnerable yo the counter attack. Im fully expecting scum to play exactly tly thst brand of football on Sunday, and hit us on the break. They did it last time we played them and stole a point at PR IMHO.
We must move the ball far quicker around opponents 18 yd area and actually take them on 1:1 and commit defenders. |  |
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| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 16:25 - Oct 1 with 966 views | bazza |
All I hope, is it really is just a case of the players improving together and “Gelling” and not that we’ve spunked £180m+ on a squad full of lightweight numpties . |  | | |
| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 16:26 - Oct 1 with 964 views | Garv |
Personally I'm finding it really hard to believe I'm watching a team that will be in the top two at the end of the season. We just don't look dangerous enough or cohesive enough, and always look like we'll concede at least one.
Having said that, it seems unlikely Boro and West Brom et al will keep up their form, and a lot of the other fancied teams are, like us, stuttering. So the league feels like it'll be wide open, and maybe I'll be wrong. Hope so. |  |
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| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 16:27 - Oct 1 with 955 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 16:21 - Oct 1 by ArnieM |
It can look different to people for sure.
But how much of us "stroking it around them for 15 -16 mins" or so, was really them just sitting back and letting us play the ball around the centre of the pitch or in our half,though? Ots nice to watch, for sure, but atm there's no end product or threat, AND when we do finally lose that possession we are looking vulnerable yo the counter attack. Im fully expecting scum to play exactly tly thst brand of football on Sunday, and hit us on the break. They did it last time we played them and stole a point at PR IMHO.
We must move the ball far quicker around opponents 18 yd area and actually take them on 1:1 and commit defenders. |
Exactly this, we played where they allowed us to play while they protected their box.
They knew we didnt pose any real threat.
We def need to tweak our predictable tactics. |  |
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| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 16:30 - Oct 1 with 919 views | Garv |
| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 16:21 - Oct 1 by ArnieM |
It can look different to people for sure.
But how much of us "stroking it around them for 15 -16 mins" or so, was really them just sitting back and letting us play the ball around the centre of the pitch or in our half,though? Ots nice to watch, for sure, but atm there's no end product or threat, AND when we do finally lose that possession we are looking vulnerable yo the counter attack. Im fully expecting scum to play exactly tly thst brand of football on Sunday, and hit us on the break. They did it last time we played them and stole a point at PR IMHO.
We must move the ball far quicker around opponents 18 yd area and actually take them on 1:1 and commit defenders. |
This was my thought. It's a fine line between stroking it around/looking slick on the ball, and actually looking a bit aimless and ponderous.
Portsmouth stroked it around us at times on Saturday. They didn't really go anywhere and we weren't troubled by it. | |
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| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 16:31 - Oct 1 with 917 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 16:21 - Oct 1 by ArnieM |
It can look different to people for sure.
But how much of us "stroking it around them for 15 -16 mins" or so, was really them just sitting back and letting us play the ball around the centre of the pitch or in our half,though? Ots nice to watch, for sure, but atm there's no end product or threat, AND when we do finally lose that possession we are looking vulnerable yo the counter attack. Im fully expecting scum to play exactly tly thst brand of football on Sunday, and hit us on the break. They did it last time we played them and stole a point at PR IMHO.
We must move the ball far quicker around opponents 18 yd area and actually take them on 1:1 and commit defenders. |
The momentum graphs would suggest that for many games you are wrong with the assertion that we present no threat.
I think part of this is down to how we, particularly as fans, all look for different things in a game, and that influences our measure of the game. I only posture this as an example, not directed at any particular forum poster, but if someone is only looking for peppering the goalkeeper with shots, then they will form one opinion of many of our games, whereas an independent statistician looking at the play, and the opportunities carved out, will form a different conclusion on our threat.
Hence for fans the oft quoted phrase of 'we all see the game differently'.
I still hold the opinion that the post-game stats show we are doing a lot right, and over the balance of time, this will result in more and more positive outcomes. | | | |
| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 16:38 - Oct 1 with 850 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 16:15 - Oct 1 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
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| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 16:39 - Oct 1 with 850 views | homer_123 |
| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 16:21 - Oct 1 by ArnieM |
It can look different to people for sure.
But how much of us "stroking it around them for 15 -16 mins" or so, was really them just sitting back and letting us play the ball around the centre of the pitch or in our half,though? Ots nice to watch, for sure, but atm there's no end product or threat, AND when we do finally lose that possession we are looking vulnerable yo the counter attack. Im fully expecting scum to play exactly tly thst brand of football on Sunday, and hit us on the break. They did it last time we played them and stole a point at PR IMHO.
We must move the ball far quicker around opponents 18 yd area and actually take them on 1:1 and commit defenders. |
It's somewhere between the two of you, I would say.
At times, we posed a real threat down our left, got into really good positions and played some good balls into the box but Brizzle defended very well, got bodies back, made interceptions or tackles. Another day, we'd have got a chance or two to score.
We def did move the ball too and fro across out backline a lot - trying to move Brizzle out of position to play a pass - they sat with a high block (not really pressing high) and that caused us a problem.
So, for me, it was both last night.
I posted earlier today - as you have stated, Brizzle were very good on the transition and caused us a problem, without over committing their players. We looked like we ended up playing in a way that this was the in the back of our minds. |  |
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| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 16:40 - Oct 1 with 847 views | homer_123 |
| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 16:30 - Oct 1 by Garv |
This was my thought. It's a fine line between stroking it around/looking slick on the ball, and actually looking a bit aimless and ponderous.
Portsmouth stroked it around us at times on Saturday. They didn't really go anywhere and we weren't troubled by it. |
There was a marked difference after the subs came on. It was then that we looked far less effective, some really poor passing and decision making. | |
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| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 16:49 - Oct 1 with 797 views | homer_123 |
| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 16:26 - Oct 1 by Garv |
Personally I'm finding it really hard to believe I'm watching a team that will be in the top two at the end of the season. We just don't look dangerous enough or cohesive enough, and always look like we'll concede at least one.
Having said that, it seems unlikely Boro and West Brom et al will keep up their form, and a lot of the other fancied teams are, like us, stuttering. So the league feels like it'll be wide open, and maybe I'll be wrong. Hope so. |
I would look at our progress since the start of the season and look out on that trajectory.
I don't think anyone would argue that we aren't improving and we are getting better each week. There is nothing to suggest we won't continue to improve either - we are mid-table having played 7 games and if we look at the form table - we are top 6 currently.
Don't get me wrong - we can all also see that there is work to do. Tighten up at the back and can we be a bit more ruthless going forward. We've done it in spells, so it's a case of building out from that, increasing that over the course of a match. | |
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| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 16:53 - Oct 1 with 772 views | _clive_baker_ |
I think your points are valid and would certainly agree about labelling last night as excellent. It was a 6/10 for me.
I do think there's some entitlement though if I'm honest. Maybe we're all too expectant because we spent 1 season in the premier league. Its all very well spending £40m on Nunez, Egeli & McAteer but it doesn't buy wins or mean they're necessarily of a higher level than those we're up against (yet). There are many factors at play and while there's certainly a correlation between spend and results, its not always a direct one.
I think we'll have a good season, and I think we've got some quality players for this level and we will have days where we really show it. But we're not going to give sides a humping every week, and I think some people could do with a reality check. That doesn't mean its unreasonable to feel frustrated with performances like last night though, I though it was disappointing in certain aspect.
We need to stick with it. Leeds had a barnstorming season last year, Champions, 100 points, 95 goals. Their opening 8 games was 4 wins, 3 draws and 1 defeat. If we beat Norwich on Sunday we'll be 3 wins, 4 draws, 1 defeat. We're not miles off and I'm not worried about the points right now as the season is young, the question is can we go through the gears now? Hopefully we'll start seeing that. |  | | |
| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 17:00 - Oct 1 with 731 views | NthQldITFC |
I'm exactly on the same page as you Nutters(!), I went along with your 'brilliant' post I think at half time because, like you I suspect, I was really excited particularly by the dynamics of the way we were playing. Mainly in the middle third to be fair, so I can see why some people scoffed at what we were saying - because we weren't creating goalscoring opportunities, and we perhaps looked less secure at the back against counters than we have earlier in the season,
[breathes]... but that flow through the middle with Nunez pinging balls through little gaps, and the movement of Davis, Matusiwa and the support forwards particularly looked and felt special, left Bristol looking very static, and was better than we've seen in that particular aspect of the game since, well, 2001 probably.
I get it that some are frustrated that we aren't rolling over teams with all the talent at our disposal, but I'm so excited about what we're showing from a mid- to long-term potential perspective. And luckily, only Boro are doing anything like pulling away. |  |
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| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 17:01 - Oct 1 with 718 views | WestSussexBlue |
| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 16:26 - Oct 1 by Garv |
Personally I'm finding it really hard to believe I'm watching a team that will be in the top two at the end of the season. We just don't look dangerous enough or cohesive enough, and always look like we'll concede at least one.
Having said that, it seems unlikely Boro and West Brom et al will keep up their form, and a lot of the other fancied teams are, like us, stuttering. So the league feels like it'll be wide open, and maybe I'll be wrong. Hope so. |
How many fans thought “Ipswich won’t last the season” in our promotion season? | | | |
| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 17:10 - Oct 1 with 670 views | Blue_Heath |
Fair play to you and I think we all hope the same. | | | |
| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 17:12 - Oct 1 with 657 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 16:15 - Oct 1 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
They could section you for trying to section me! |
I swear to god if you try and section me I will section you so fast! | |
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| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 17:13 - Oct 1 with 655 views | NthQldITFC |
| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 16:53 - Oct 1 by _clive_baker_ |
I think your points are valid and would certainly agree about labelling last night as excellent. It was a 6/10 for me.
I do think there's some entitlement though if I'm honest. Maybe we're all too expectant because we spent 1 season in the premier league. Its all very well spending £40m on Nunez, Egeli & McAteer but it doesn't buy wins or mean they're necessarily of a higher level than those we're up against (yet). There are many factors at play and while there's certainly a correlation between spend and results, its not always a direct one.
I think we'll have a good season, and I think we've got some quality players for this level and we will have days where we really show it. But we're not going to give sides a humping every week, and I think some people could do with a reality check. That doesn't mean its unreasonable to feel frustrated with performances like last night though, I though it was disappointing in certain aspect.
We need to stick with it. Leeds had a barnstorming season last year, Champions, 100 points, 95 goals. Their opening 8 games was 4 wins, 3 draws and 1 defeat. If we beat Norwich on Sunday we'll be 3 wins, 4 draws, 1 defeat. We're not miles off and I'm not worried about the points right now as the season is young, the question is can we go through the gears now? Hopefully we'll start seeing that. |
...and last year after eight the top six were on:
18,17,16,15,15,15 (total 96pts)
compared to, this year:
18,14,13,13,13,13 (total 84pts)
...or worst case if Cov, WBA, QPR win games in hand:
18,16,14,14,14,13 (total 89pts)
edit: actual:
18,16,14,14,13,13 (total 88pts)
We're not miles off it, and the pace is not so hot to catch the top teams. [Post edited 1 Oct 21:48]
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| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 17:17 - Oct 1 with 632 views | Kieran_Knows |
Yeah, but what about Broadhead?! What about Burgess?! What about Woolfie?! What about Chaplin?!
Or something like that. |  |
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| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 17:17 - Oct 1 with 627 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 17:00 - Oct 1 by NthQldITFC |
I'm exactly on the same page as you Nutters(!), I went along with your 'brilliant' post I think at half time because, like you I suspect, I was really excited particularly by the dynamics of the way we were playing. Mainly in the middle third to be fair, so I can see why some people scoffed at what we were saying - because we weren't creating goalscoring opportunities, and we perhaps looked less secure at the back against counters than we have earlier in the season,
[breathes]... but that flow through the middle with Nunez pinging balls through little gaps, and the movement of Davis, Matusiwa and the support forwards particularly looked and felt special, left Bristol looking very static, and was better than we've seen in that particular aspect of the game since, well, 2001 probably.
I get it that some are frustrated that we aren't rolling over teams with all the talent at our disposal, but I'm so excited about what we're showing from a mid- to long-term potential perspective. And luckily, only Boro are doing anything like pulling away. |
Prepare to get sectioned as well!
it always comforting to have the bookies keeping us as strong favourites 🤣 | |
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| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 17:18 - Oct 1 with 624 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 16:21 - Oct 1 by ArnieM |
It can look different to people for sure.
But how much of us "stroking it around them for 15 -16 mins" or so, was really them just sitting back and letting us play the ball around the centre of the pitch or in our half,though? Ots nice to watch, for sure, but atm there's no end product or threat, AND when we do finally lose that possession we are looking vulnerable yo the counter attack. Im fully expecting scum to play exactly tly thst brand of football on Sunday, and hit us on the break. They did it last time we played them and stole a point at PR IMHO.
We must move the ball far quicker around opponents 18 yd area and actually take them on 1:1 and commit defenders. |
Problem being we haven't really got any wide men with pace that can carry a ball . Davis aside who for the record is a defender , is our most potent force going forwards for the most . Jaden's goals we haven't got that Hutchinson type player who'll run at someone with the ball. I thought McAteer would be one of those but he's not shown too much evidence of that yet but there's still time
It's definitely one on one type of scenarios we need . Jack Clarke tries it loads of times but he's normally doubled up on and runs straight into a brick wall losing the ball
We need to isolate their full backs and take advantage - quick switch of play etc |  |
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| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 17:24 - Oct 1 with 586 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 17:18 - Oct 1 by Metal_Hacker |
Problem being we haven't really got any wide men with pace that can carry a ball . Davis aside who for the record is a defender , is our most potent force going forwards for the most . Jaden's goals we haven't got that Hutchinson type player who'll run at someone with the ball. I thought McAteer would be one of those but he's not shown too much evidence of that yet but there's still time
It's definitely one on one type of scenarios we need . Jack Clarke tries it loads of times but he's normally doubled up on and runs straight into a brick wall losing the ball
We need to isolate their full backs and take advantage - quick switch of play etc |
Egeli while not electric pace will give us the best balance once he's up to speed. Like that he can deliver top quality balls from deep or out wide. It's a different threat to the left. Can also see him getting in the end of a lot of stuff from Davis. He's good in the air as well which will be a bonus. | |
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| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 17:37 - Oct 1 with 544 views | NthQldITFC |
| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 17:17 - Oct 1 by Nutkins_Return |
Prepare to get sectioned as well!
it always comforting to have the bookies keeping us as strong favourites 🤣 |
You and I are favourites to be sectioned?  | |
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| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 18:19 - Oct 1 with 444 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 17:37 - Oct 1 by NthQldITFC |
You and I are favourites to be sectioned? |
Haha....well played. | |
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| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 18:30 - Oct 1 with 415 views | jontysnut |
| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 16:38 - Oct 1 by WolfieAtTheBack |
You’ve had your fun with the sectioning… there will be no more sectioning today (Peep Show). |
When I get this feeling I need section healing |  | | |
| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 20:37 - Oct 1 with 235 views | Smoresy |
| Everyone's gone mad!!!! on 16:53 - Oct 1 by _clive_baker_ |
I think your points are valid and would certainly agree about labelling last night as excellent. It was a 6/10 for me.
I do think there's some entitlement though if I'm honest. Maybe we're all too expectant because we spent 1 season in the premier league. Its all very well spending £40m on Nunez, Egeli & McAteer but it doesn't buy wins or mean they're necessarily of a higher level than those we're up against (yet). There are many factors at play and while there's certainly a correlation between spend and results, its not always a direct one.
I think we'll have a good season, and I think we've got some quality players for this level and we will have days where we really show it. But we're not going to give sides a humping every week, and I think some people could do with a reality check. That doesn't mean its unreasonable to feel frustrated with performances like last night though, I though it was disappointing in certain aspect.
We need to stick with it. Leeds had a barnstorming season last year, Champions, 100 points, 95 goals. Their opening 8 games was 4 wins, 3 draws and 1 defeat. If we beat Norwich on Sunday we'll be 3 wins, 4 draws, 1 defeat. We're not miles off and I'm not worried about the points right now as the season is young, the question is can we go through the gears now? Hopefully we'll start seeing that. |
There's a very strong correlation between spend and success in my view, with notable outliers. Those outliers were mismanaged and spurned their advantage. Man Utd's a great example of a club who exchanged gold for turnips in the post-Fergie years. More money enables you to buy better quality players, those who you couldn't otherwise acquire, but it also lets you elevate the wage of players who don't merit such investment.
I don't believe we have the right to create more chances than our opponents in the majority of games we play, but if we aren't able to then significant mistakes will have been made. Last night I saw more improvement in parts of our play, some very attractive stuff, but I also wasn't surprised to later note that our non-penalty xG was decided to be 0.51. I didn't feel we created enough clear chances to score last night outside the penalty, while our recent wins were first ignited by low-percentage brilliant finishes. Much credit to Bristol City last night for how they handled us.
I remain an optimist though and believe we'll face worse opposition in many away games to come, as well as improve our own ability to penetrate stubborn teams. Top two also looks wide open with the monied clubs misfiring compared to previous seasons; could require an unusually low points finish. | | | |
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