| what am i missing here? on 15:55 - Oct 8 with 1911 views | bluelagos |
Wondering of the guy was homeless? Maybe feeding a drug habit?
In which case I guess the magistrate maybe took a view that loading him with a large fine would only mean he was more likely to steal again to pay off a debt he couldn't afford? |  |
|  |
| what am i missing here? on 01:50 - Oct 9 with 1571 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| what am i missing here? on 15:55 - Oct 8 by bluelagos |
Wondering of the guy was homeless? Maybe feeding a drug habit?
In which case I guess the magistrate maybe took a view that loading him with a large fine would only mean he was more likely to steal again to pay off a debt he couldn't afford? |
I would also guess that being found guilty he now has a criminal record too.
It seems like there is more to this. How is the homeless man going to pay the fine anyway? What happens if he doesn't?
Ultimately the biggest issue has to be to deal with whatever has led to him stealing the goods and being homeless. |  |
| |
| what am i missing here? on 23:21 - Oct 12 with 1319 views | Trequartista |
| what am i missing here? on 15:55 - Oct 8 by bluelagos |
Wondering of the guy was homeless? Maybe feeding a drug habit?
In which case I guess the magistrate maybe took a view that loading him with a large fine would only mean he was more likely to steal again to pay off a debt he couldn't afford? |
Of course all mitigating circumstances must be taken into consideration, but there surely cannot be a situation where crime pays.
But it seemingly it does...
https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/25533193.ipswich-savers-thief-stole-83-worth-
... and people are scratching their heads about shoplifting epidemics. Well duh. How has this been allowed to happen to our country? |  |
| |
| what am i missing here? on 06:46 - Oct 13 with 1159 views | noggin |
He's clearly been conditioned to steal. |  |
| |
| what am i missing here? on 08:04 - Oct 13 with 1004 views | Pique |
| what am i missing here? on 06:46 - Oct 13 by noggin |
He's clearly been conditioned to steal. |
Not sure I see the value in rinsing him. He'll only repeat it. |  | | |
| what am i missing here? on 08:19 - Oct 13 with 973 views | EdwardStone |
| what am i missing here? on 08:04 - Oct 13 by Pique |
Not sure I see the value in rinsing him. He'll only repeat it. |
Maybe he should be scalped.... |  | | |
| what am i missing here? on 08:27 - Oct 13 with 949 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
My first thought was the word "compensation". If they caught him then presumably they got the goods back, and the compensation is what he has to pay for committing the crime? |  |
| |
| what am i missing here? on 08:27 - Oct 13 with 948 views | redrickstuhaart |
What makes you think he kept the stuff? |  | | |
Login to get fewer ads
| what am i missing here? on 08:29 - Oct 13 with 942 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Again, the fact that they caught him they presumably didn't just let him keep the goods? | |
| |
| what am i missing here? on 08:32 - Oct 13 with 928 views | Herbivore |
Just in terms of the figures, the way you're looking at it is over simplistic. If someone steals goods with a retail value of £80, they aren't going to be getting £80 for them. Why would someone pay shop prices for shampoo being sold by some sketchy guy in the local park? Even if they'd managed to sell everything they stole, they'd have been lucky to make half the retail value of the goods. So it's very unlikely that the fine leaves them making a profit, and that's if we make the assumption they've managed to sell it all. More likely they've been caught red handed trying to flog it.
There is still a legitimate wider point about whether this kind of sentence is likely to act as a deterrent. I'd say probably not but in these cases we don't know the circumstances and what mitigation there might be. Shoplifting isn't great of course but nobody is physically harmed by it and I'm not really up for completely throwing the book at such offenders. Some unpaid work to work off the value of what they've stolen would do for me but I can see circumstances where a magistrate might err on being more lenient than that.
In essence, don't get in a lather over it. [Post edited 13 Oct 8:48]
|  |
| |
| what am i missing here? on 08:46 - Oct 13 with 878 views | redrickstuhaart |
| what am i missing here? on 08:32 - Oct 13 by Herbivore |
Just in terms of the figures, the way you're looking at it is over simplistic. If someone steals goods with a retail value of £80, they aren't going to be getting £80 for them. Why would someone pay shop prices for shampoo being sold by some sketchy guy in the local park? Even if they'd managed to sell everything they stole, they'd have been lucky to make half the retail value of the goods. So it's very unlikely that the fine leaves them making a profit, and that's if we make the assumption they've managed to sell it all. More likely they've been caught red handed trying to flog it.
There is still a legitimate wider point about whether this kind of sentence is likely to act as a deterrent. I'd say probably not but in these cases we don't know the circumstances and what mitigation there might be. Shoplifting isn't great of course but nobody is physically harmed by it and I'm not really up for completely throwing the book at such offenders. Some unpaid work to work off the value of what they've stolen would do for me but I can see circumstances where a magistrate might err on being more lenient than that.
In essence, don't get in a lather over it. [Post edited 13 Oct 8:48]
|
In sentencing terms, what is the benefit of fining someone more than they can pay? What do you do next? | | | |
| what am i missing here? on 08:58 - Oct 13 with 829 views | noggin |
| what am i missing here? on 08:19 - Oct 13 by EdwardStone |
Maybe he should be scalped.... |
He’s living on the fringes of society. | |
| |
| what am i missing here? on 09:00 - Oct 13 with 816 views | Pique |
| what am i missing here? on 08:58 - Oct 13 by noggin |
He’s living on the fringes of society. |
There's a lot of splitting hairs in this debate. | | | |
| what am i missing here? on 09:24 - Oct 13 with 729 views | noggin |
| what am i missing here? on 08:58 - Oct 13 by noggin |
He’s living on the fringes of society. |
In Barnet. | |
| |
| what am i missing here? on 10:20 - Oct 13 with 624 views | Kievthegreat |
| what am i missing here? on 08:19 - Oct 13 by EdwardStone |
Maybe he should be scalped.... |
Nah, separate his Head and Shoulders, |  | | |
| what am i missing here? on 15:44 - Oct 13 with 437 views | bazza |
Apparently the judge price matched the goods against Lidl… the main crime is coops overinflated prices. |  | | |
| what am i missing here? on 19:51 - Oct 13 with 281 views | Trequartista |
| what am i missing here? on 08:27 - Oct 13 by redrickstuhaart |
What makes you think he kept the stuff? |
Perhaps that's what I was missing, it was a genuine question, not rhetorical, but I thought "compensation" is when you make up for a loss, so there would be no loss if he didn't keep the stuff. Also the "compensation" amounts are a bit strange if they actually not compensation, but punishment fines as it were.
The newspaper articles are not clear, I'll keep an eye out for further ones. | |
| |
| what am i missing here? on 19:58 - Oct 13 with 246 views | Trequartista |
| what am i missing here? on 08:32 - Oct 13 by Herbivore |
Just in terms of the figures, the way you're looking at it is over simplistic. If someone steals goods with a retail value of £80, they aren't going to be getting £80 for them. Why would someone pay shop prices for shampoo being sold by some sketchy guy in the local park? Even if they'd managed to sell everything they stole, they'd have been lucky to make half the retail value of the goods. So it's very unlikely that the fine leaves them making a profit, and that's if we make the assumption they've managed to sell it all. More likely they've been caught red handed trying to flog it.
There is still a legitimate wider point about whether this kind of sentence is likely to act as a deterrent. I'd say probably not but in these cases we don't know the circumstances and what mitigation there might be. Shoplifting isn't great of course but nobody is physically harmed by it and I'm not really up for completely throwing the book at such offenders. Some unpaid work to work off the value of what they've stolen would do for me but I can see circumstances where a magistrate might err on being more lenient than that.
In essence, don't get in a lather over it. [Post edited 13 Oct 8:48]
|
I didn't mean they were literally going to cash in them and make £x profit, it was just a way of phrasing it, let's say instead they came out of it better than they started. It's unclear if they kept the goods, if they didn't, there's no issue. | |
| |
| what am i missing here? on 20:08 - Oct 13 with 196 views | ronnyd |
Hope they burst his bubble. | | | |
| what am i missing here? on 20:31 - Oct 13 with 159 views | EdwardStone |
| what am i missing here? on 20:08 - Oct 13 by ronnyd |
Hope they burst his bubble. |
Just brushed it under the rug, I reckon | | | |
| what am i missing here? on 20:59 - Oct 13 with 130 views | jontysnut |
| what am i missing here? on 08:32 - Oct 13 by Herbivore |
Just in terms of the figures, the way you're looking at it is over simplistic. If someone steals goods with a retail value of £80, they aren't going to be getting £80 for them. Why would someone pay shop prices for shampoo being sold by some sketchy guy in the local park? Even if they'd managed to sell everything they stole, they'd have been lucky to make half the retail value of the goods. So it's very unlikely that the fine leaves them making a profit, and that's if we make the assumption they've managed to sell it all. More likely they've been caught red handed trying to flog it.
There is still a legitimate wider point about whether this kind of sentence is likely to act as a deterrent. I'd say probably not but in these cases we don't know the circumstances and what mitigation there might be. Shoplifting isn't great of course but nobody is physically harmed by it and I'm not really up for completely throwing the book at such offenders. Some unpaid work to work off the value of what they've stolen would do for me but I can see circumstances where a magistrate might err on being more lenient than that.
In essence, don't get in a lather over it. [Post edited 13 Oct 8:48]
|
I was in a pub where a guy came in selling nicked Lurpak. He looked like he had drug issues but I was probably more annoyed with the person who bought it.
When I lived in Bermondsey about 40 years ago there was a character who used to go round pubs called John the Bag. It was a big black holdall which seemed to contain everything. " Have you got the new Simply Red CD, a bottle of Head and Shoulders and some cheese?"
" Hold on a sec...yeah" |  | | |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
