| Aston Villa banning away fans..... 17:58 - Oct 16 with 11929 views | Bloots |
....from Villa Park for the match against Maccabi Tel Aviv, due to "public safety concerns and the ability to deal with protests".
What a ridiculous world we live in. |  |
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| Yeah probably..... on 09:30 - Oct 17 with 853 views | chantryblueboy |
| Yeah probably..... on 09:23 - Oct 17 by Swansea_Blue |
You don’t need to convince me there were vile antisemitic attacks, I’m not some jihadist extremist or Nazi. The hit and run tactics in Amsterdam were awful; nobody’s denying that or downplaying the seriousness. The point made earlier in the thread was that there was also trouble caused by the Maccabi Tel Aviv fans. I’m sure I saw reports of them attacking taxi(s) suspected of containing/belonging to people looking like Arabs, but if that’s wrong I apologise.
I don’t like the politicisation of this. The decision was made by experts in security. I don’t see what gives Starmer, or Badenoch or Davey, the right to call them out. As I said, I don’t know where you draw the line in terms of acceptable risk. Maybe the council/police are being too cautious/heavy handed and that’s a valid discussion point imo. But if they’re acting on current intelligence as they say, who’s to say they aren’t aware of pre-meditated attacks here? I guess we’ll find out as I suspect the decision will be overturned. If it is, hopefully nothing happens. |
Actually, it was petitioned for by a sitting MP looking to make a political point
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 09:36 - Oct 17 with 824 views | BlueNomad |
I have one question:
The state of the Russian Federation indicted on war crimes (evidence of which seen by the world): Banned from international sport
The state of Israel indicted on war crimes (evidence of which seen by the world): Not banned from international sport
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| Yeah probably..... on 09:37 - Oct 17 with 811 views | soupytwist |
| Yeah probably..... on 09:23 - Oct 17 by Swansea_Blue |
You don’t need to convince me there were vile antisemitic attacks, I’m not some jihadist extremist or Nazi. The hit and run tactics in Amsterdam were awful; nobody’s denying that or downplaying the seriousness. The point made earlier in the thread was that there was also trouble caused by the Maccabi Tel Aviv fans. I’m sure I saw reports of them attacking taxi(s) suspected of containing/belonging to people looking like Arabs, but if that’s wrong I apologise.
I don’t like the politicisation of this. The decision was made by experts in security. I don’t see what gives Starmer, or Badenoch or Davey, the right to call them out. As I said, I don’t know where you draw the line in terms of acceptable risk. Maybe the council/police are being too cautious/heavy handed and that’s a valid discussion point imo. But if they’re acting on current intelligence as they say, who’s to say they aren’t aware of pre-meditated attacks here? I guess we’ll find out as I suspect the decision will be overturned. If it is, hopefully nothing happens. |
The politicisation of this probably started when a Birmingham MP set up a petition calling for the game to be cancelled or for the taking of "immediate steps to ensure public safety and community harmony." |  | | |
| Yeah probably..... on 09:42 - Oct 17 with 771 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Yeah probably..... on 09:37 - Oct 17 by soupytwist |
The politicisation of this probably started when a Birmingham MP set up a petition calling for the game to be cancelled or for the taking of "immediate steps to ensure public safety and community harmony." |
If that had a bearing on a supposed independent panel and police decision, then that’s wrong too. |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 09:43 - Oct 17 with 766 views | eireblue |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 09:15 - Oct 17 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Somebody needs to point out to Starmer that preventing Israeli football supporters from attending a match is not an act of antisemitism. |
You don’t know what the advice was based on.
What Starmer is quoted as saying is: “We will not tolerate antisemitism on our streets. The role of the police is to ensure all football fans can enjoy the game, without fear of violence or intimidation.”
Nothing wrong with that.
I would hope that if the event was deemed high risk, because police had intelligence related to pre-planned attacks, the police would be doing something about that now.
And it would be, well embarrassing isn’t the word, that the UK police, with intelligence and notice cannot adequately manage this event.
Just think, it maybe your event they cannot protect next. |  | | |
| Yeah probably..... on 09:44 - Oct 17 with 755 views | eireblue |
| Yeah probably..... on 09:23 - Oct 17 by Swansea_Blue |
You don’t need to convince me there were vile antisemitic attacks, I’m not some jihadist extremist or Nazi. The hit and run tactics in Amsterdam were awful; nobody’s denying that or downplaying the seriousness. The point made earlier in the thread was that there was also trouble caused by the Maccabi Tel Aviv fans. I’m sure I saw reports of them attacking taxi(s) suspected of containing/belonging to people looking like Arabs, but if that’s wrong I apologise.
I don’t like the politicisation of this. The decision was made by experts in security. I don’t see what gives Starmer, or Badenoch or Davey, the right to call them out. As I said, I don’t know where you draw the line in terms of acceptable risk. Maybe the council/police are being too cautious/heavy handed and that’s a valid discussion point imo. But if they’re acting on current intelligence as they say, who’s to say they aren’t aware of pre-meditated attacks here? I guess we’ll find out as I suspect the decision will be overturned. If it is, hopefully nothing happens. |
If the intelligence was there were pre-meditated attacks, then, we have laws and a police force to deal with that. And it should be dealt with. | | | |
| Yeah probably..... on 09:47 - Oct 17 with 737 views | DJR |
| Yeah probably..... on 09:42 - Oct 17 by Swansea_Blue |
If that had a bearing on a supposed independent panel and police decision, then that’s wrong too. |
We certainly do seem to be going down a route where the independence of the police and judiciary is being challenged by politicians.
This never used to happen, and is a slippery slope in my view because it is happening in the States with bells on, and we are happy to criticise it there. [Post edited 17 Oct 9:48]
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 09:53 - Oct 17 with 713 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 08:58 - Oct 17 by BloomBlue |
The haters of the Jewish community win again.
If people's safety is at danger from other people, ban the other people. In this situation the police are talking about the protesters could result in violence, then ban the protesters.
I'm also assuming if there are Jewish people amongst the Villa fans, the police will also ban Villa fans from the match for their own safety.
Will the Midlands police also ban Chelsea or Liverpool fans because both those matches are classed as high risk. Will Norfolk police ban Ipswich fans, as that's classed as high risk.
I also want to know if those tickets go to British Jews, will the police still ban them?
Remember all those non Liverpool fans who condemned the French police for not protecting L'pool fans in the CL final. Condemned for not protecting a couple of thousand fans attending a football match. Many said, if the French police cannot protect football fans then they shouldn't have matches like CL final. Maybe next time the French police should simply band the L'pool fans from a CL final. Maybe if we reach a final us fans should be banned if the police cannot protect us.
Many people believe the police are institutionally racist, this is another example.
The government say they cannot do anything about the police decision, however they can ban the game and give the 3 points to Maccabi Tel Aviv.
UK 2025 - the police cannot defend 2000 Jewish football fans.
Stand up to the racists |
If you persist in equivocating between critics of Israel and its appalling behaviour, and "the jewish community", you are feeding right into the culture wars and other dangerous narratives.
These are not the same thing.
People angry at Israel are not necessarily "haters of the jewish community".
This is exactly the dishonest tactic used by Israel. Any criticism is instantly labelled as anti semitism or "blood libel". | | | |
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| When an MP can get away with saying..... on 10:04 - Oct 17 with 674 views | Bloots |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 08:58 - Oct 17 by BloomBlue |
The haters of the Jewish community win again.
If people's safety is at danger from other people, ban the other people. In this situation the police are talking about the protesters could result in violence, then ban the protesters.
I'm also assuming if there are Jewish people amongst the Villa fans, the police will also ban Villa fans from the match for their own safety.
Will the Midlands police also ban Chelsea or Liverpool fans because both those matches are classed as high risk. Will Norfolk police ban Ipswich fans, as that's classed as high risk.
I also want to know if those tickets go to British Jews, will the police still ban them?
Remember all those non Liverpool fans who condemned the French police for not protecting L'pool fans in the CL final. Condemned for not protecting a couple of thousand fans attending a football match. Many said, if the French police cannot protect football fans then they shouldn't have matches like CL final. Maybe next time the French police should simply band the L'pool fans from a CL final. Maybe if we reach a final us fans should be banned if the police cannot protect us.
Many people believe the police are institutionally racist, this is another example.
The government say they cannot do anything about the police decision, however they can ban the game and give the 3 points to Maccabi Tel Aviv.
UK 2025 - the police cannot defend 2000 Jewish football fans.
Stand up to the racists |
....that Israeli football fans are terrorists there really is no hope:
As I keep saying, what a ridiculous world we live in.
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 10:06 - Oct 17 with 636 views | lowhouseblue |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 09:53 - Oct 17 by redrickstuhaart |
If you persist in equivocating between critics of Israel and its appalling behaviour, and "the jewish community", you are feeding right into the culture wars and other dangerous narratives.
These are not the same thing.
People angry at Israel are not necessarily "haters of the jewish community".
This is exactly the dishonest tactic used by Israel. Any criticism is instantly labelled as anti semitism or "blood libel". |
but none of that has anything to with the police deciding that policing protests against israel is beyond them and the solution is just to ban football supporters from israel. what a precedent that sets. what does it say about the police's expectations about the protesters? |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 10:06 - Oct 17 with 652 views | Plums |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 09:36 - Oct 17 by BlueNomad |
I have one question:
The state of the Russian Federation indicted on war crimes (evidence of which seen by the world): Banned from international sport
The state of Israel indicted on war crimes (evidence of which seen by the world): Not banned from international sport
Why? |
Fear of upsetting the USA - which world sport depends upon.
I disagree with it but it's the only logical answer. |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 10:09 - Oct 17 with 636 views | usm |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 18:00 - Oct 16 by GlasgowBlue |
This follows on from the anti semitic attacks in Amsterdam earlier this year. |
Behave yourself GB, don't be ridiculous.
Meant to downvote you but inadvertently upvoted you and cant seem to change it now - one for GavTWTD. |  |
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| Yeah probably..... on 10:10 - Oct 17 with 639 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Yeah probably..... on 09:44 - Oct 17 by eireblue |
If the intelligence was there were pre-meditated attacks, then, we have laws and a police force to deal with that. And it should be dealt with. |
True, if any evidence is sufficiently strong enough to enable them to take action. None of us know what the “current intelligence” they refer to is, so we can only guess what they’re going on. This is dealing with it too of course, preemptively. The Police put constraints on events all the time.
This isn’t just about Israel/Palestine/antisemitism/islamophobia either. No fans should want us to end up in a position where these sorts of constraints are needed (or seen as needed), yet more restrictive policing does seem to be creeping in more often across Europe:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c203z1d0yjwo [Post edited 17 Oct 10:11]
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 10:10 - Oct 17 with 642 views | BloomBlue |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 09:53 - Oct 17 by redrickstuhaart |
If you persist in equivocating between critics of Israel and its appalling behaviour, and "the jewish community", you are feeding right into the culture wars and other dangerous narratives.
These are not the same thing.
People angry at Israel are not necessarily "haters of the jewish community".
This is exactly the dishonest tactic used by Israel. Any criticism is instantly labelled as anti semitism or "blood libel". |
And what have Maccabi Tel Aviv football fans got to do with the Israeli government?
It's like those people who blame all people in Gaza for the fact Hamas is their government, ie its their fault for voting for them.
So if these protesters are separating the Jewish community from Israel, why aren't those fans safe to attend? Its the protesters who are targeting those fans because of their religion.
Unfortunately too many people of a certain political side of the arguement in this country try to separate it when its not. Its those dishonest tactics which result in incident like the Manchester attack. |  | | |
| Yeah probably..... on 10:12 - Oct 17 with 615 views | soupytwist |
| Yeah probably..... on 09:42 - Oct 17 by Swansea_Blue |
If that had a bearing on a supposed independent panel and police decision, then that’s wrong too. |
Absolutely it is. | | | |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 10:19 - Oct 17 with 579 views | glasso |
To be fair to Villa, I don't think it's them banning away fans - it's been dictated by UEFA and the Safety Advisory Group | | | |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 10:21 - Oct 17 with 573 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 10:10 - Oct 17 by BloomBlue |
And what have Maccabi Tel Aviv football fans got to do with the Israeli government?
It's like those people who blame all people in Gaza for the fact Hamas is their government, ie its their fault for voting for them.
So if these protesters are separating the Jewish community from Israel, why aren't those fans safe to attend? Its the protesters who are targeting those fans because of their religion.
Unfortunately too many people of a certain political side of the arguement in this country try to separate it when its not. Its those dishonest tactics which result in incident like the Manchester attack. |
Yep. Even if people are angry at Israel, they’re lashing out at the wrong people. MTA fans could maybe help defuse things by not burning Palestinian flags (that’s a separate debate about their rights to do so), but we need to be clear they are not proxies for the Israel govt. There’s no excuse under any circumstances for targeting them for ideological reasons (redrickstuhaart wasn’t suggesting there was, just to be clear).
It’s an embarrassing sh*tshow that we’re even in this position of allowing a conflict thousands of miles away to spill over here in so many ways. Be that a rise in anti-semitism, the government restricting our freedoms because of it, whatever. The country’s going mad. | |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 10:25 - Oct 17 with 551 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 10:09 - Oct 17 by usm |
Behave yourself GB, don't be ridiculous.
Meant to downvote you but inadvertently upvoted you and cant seem to change it now - one for GavTWTD. |
They Safety board to the decision that they cannot guarantee the safety of the away fans. This comes just under a year after the pre meditated anti semitic "Jew Hunt" in Amsterdam.
Perhap you can explain what is so ridiculous about my post or why I should "behave myself" when what I stated is completely factual. |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 10:31 - Oct 17 with 518 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 10:10 - Oct 17 by BloomBlue |
And what have Maccabi Tel Aviv football fans got to do with the Israeli government?
It's like those people who blame all people in Gaza for the fact Hamas is their government, ie its their fault for voting for them.
So if these protesters are separating the Jewish community from Israel, why aren't those fans safe to attend? Its the protesters who are targeting those fans because of their religion.
Unfortunately too many people of a certain political side of the arguement in this country try to separate it when its not. Its those dishonest tactics which result in incident like the Manchester attack. |
I'm fairly sure nobody was calling for Ipswich to be banned from the Uefa Cup when the UK government was killing 46,319 civilians in Afghanistan in response to a terrorist attack by Al Qaeda.
Perhaps they should. We may have stayed in the Premier League without that European distraction. | |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 10:31 - Oct 17 with 516 views | Trequartista |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 09:36 - Oct 17 by BlueNomad |
I have one question:
The state of the Russian Federation indicted on war crimes (evidence of which seen by the world): Banned from international sport
The state of Israel indicted on war crimes (evidence of which seen by the world): Not banned from international sport
Why? |
I don't think the conflicts are comparable, there was no October 7th attack in Russia for example. |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 10:45 - Oct 17 with 457 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 08:58 - Oct 17 by BloomBlue |
The haters of the Jewish community win again.
If people's safety is at danger from other people, ban the other people. In this situation the police are talking about the protesters could result in violence, then ban the protesters.
I'm also assuming if there are Jewish people amongst the Villa fans, the police will also ban Villa fans from the match for their own safety.
Will the Midlands police also ban Chelsea or Liverpool fans because both those matches are classed as high risk. Will Norfolk police ban Ipswich fans, as that's classed as high risk.
I also want to know if those tickets go to British Jews, will the police still ban them?
Remember all those non Liverpool fans who condemned the French police for not protecting L'pool fans in the CL final. Condemned for not protecting a couple of thousand fans attending a football match. Many said, if the French police cannot protect football fans then they shouldn't have matches like CL final. Maybe next time the French police should simply band the L'pool fans from a CL final. Maybe if we reach a final us fans should be banned if the police cannot protect us.
Many people believe the police are institutionally racist, this is another example.
The government say they cannot do anything about the police decision, however they can ban the game and give the 3 points to Maccabi Tel Aviv.
UK 2025 - the police cannot defend 2000 Jewish football fans.
Stand up to the racists |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 10:50 - Oct 17 with 441 views | BlueNomad |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 10:31 - Oct 17 by Trequartista |
I don't think the conflicts are comparable, there was no October 7th attack in Russia for example. |
Israeli action in Gaza and West Bank had been going on for years. It has built up resentment and God knows how many generations that will now spin into. Much of the Government’s rhetoric has become increasingly genocidal. No-one can argue with Israel’s right to defend itself and go after Hamas but the collective punishment of 2m+ people was going way beyond that. The ICC has indicted Netanyahu et all for a reason, as they have with Putin and his cronies. | | | |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 10:55 - Oct 17 with 415 views | BiGDonnie |
Time to make religion illegal. Cause of all the worlds problems. |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 10:56 - Oct 17 with 417 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 10:50 - Oct 17 by BlueNomad |
Israeli action in Gaza and West Bank had been going on for years. It has built up resentment and God knows how many generations that will now spin into. Much of the Government’s rhetoric has become increasingly genocidal. No-one can argue with Israel’s right to defend itself and go after Hamas but the collective punishment of 2m+ people was going way beyond that. The ICC has indicted Netanyahu et all for a reason, as they have with Putin and his cronies. |
As I said, there is certainly a debate to be had regarding whether Israels hould be allowed to play in international tournaments. But do you also belive that Palestine should be banned from international football after the elected Palestinian government in Gaza launched the 7th October attacks that saw 1200 people killed in a single day alongside mass rape, torture, decapitation and kidnapping? | |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 10:59 - Oct 17 with 403 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 10:31 - Oct 17 by Trequartista |
I don't think the conflicts are comparable, there was no October 7th attack in Russia for example. |
Nor any forced annexation of the West Bank over many decades. | | | |
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