| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. 10:48 - Oct 22 with 3278 views | Bloots |
….to gauge opinion, not demanding change.
We are 10 games in and 5 points off the play offs.
If, come December, we are 20 games in and 10 points off the play offs, do we have to consider a change at the top?
If not when do we?
Or do we just think it will come good at some stage again? |  |
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| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:37 - Oct 22 with 704 views | SitfcB |
Should have until the end of the season at least. Depends how fussed they are about promotion this season I suppose.
There is no better option out there than KM anyway IMO. |  |
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| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:40 - Oct 22 with 691 views | SitfcB |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:09 - Oct 22 by darkhorse28 |
We’ve already missed some huge talents, who are light years ahead of KM and would cost far less (not accounting for what will be an eye watering pay off).
McKenna will regret ‘playing’ us to leverage champions league level wages.., he’s obviously miles off that level; and it was always a sign he’s not elite.
People who believe they’re going to the very top, don’t need to leverage short term deals to be way over paid, why would they.
He’s sawn himself off the log.
For his pay .., there are literally thousands of better options!!
The bigger issue isn’t McKenna, it’s Ashton.., I’d have zero faith in a 35 year slow motion ‘elite’ failure to get it right…, none.
If Ptemier League is the objective, Ashton is the problem not the solution.., we really have just thrown the keys to the Ferrari to Ashton, and that’s poor decision making from the very top. |
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| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:42 - Oct 22 with 680 views | Guthrum |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:24 - Oct 22 by DJR |
I think it's also down to the fact that most (if not all) the teams we have played have been set up to stop us with plenty of players behind the ball, and have to a large degree relied on counter-attacks. In some ways, it's a reversal of the last Championship season where counter-attacking on our part played a large part.
I suppose its down to our differing reputations in the respective seasons, and we need to find a way to overcome this but it ain't easy in this division if, say, every time he gets the ball Philogene has two or more players on him, as he had last night. [Post edited 22 Oct 11:29]
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Indeed. Thus all the more important to make every chance count by at least getting the shot on target. |  |
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| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:50 - Oct 22 with 654 views | leitrimblue |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:40 - Oct 22 by SitfcB |
You haven’t named any names? |
I'm guessing it's something along these lines
Mike Walker
Bryan Gunn
Megson
Lambert
Farke |  | | |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:50 - Oct 22 with 655 views | MattinLondon |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:37 - Oct 22 by SitfcB |
Should have until the end of the season at least. Depends how fussed they are about promotion this season I suppose.
There is no better option out there than KM anyway IMO. |
Once bad performances have crept in and once it all becomes predictable and slow it’s hard to turn things around. I wouldn’t call it ‘rot’ at this present stage, but things are getting worse.
For all I know, we could go on an amazing twenty match winning run but right now that looks unlikely. For all the money spent previous seasons won’t matter and I will expect KM to be sacked by Christmas of things haven’t improved significantly. And he’ll expect it as well.
And I think that they are bothered about promotion this season - you can’t let a team stagnate or decline other wise it just makes it harder to try and rejuvenate things.
Plus you don’t keep someone in post just because you don’t think no one else is better. We are an attractive proposition- parachute money, good owners etc. I’m sure if we were to look for a replacement, good people will make themselves known regardless of whether they are employed or not.
For the record, I think KM should have to at least Christmas to turn things around - which I’m confident he will. |  | | |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:55 - Oct 22 with 619 views | MattinLondon |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:24 - Oct 22 by DJR |
I think it's also down to the fact that most (if not all) the teams we have played have been set up to stop us with plenty of players behind the ball, and have to a large degree relied on counter-attacks. In some ways, it's a reversal of the last Championship season where counter-attacking on our part played a large part.
I suppose its down to our differing reputations in the respective seasons, and we need to find a way to overcome this but it ain't easy in this division if, say, every time he gets the ball Philogene has two or more players on him, as he had last night. [Post edited 22 Oct 11:29]
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Sorry to be a negative ninny but I’m not sure that explains why we’ve been relatively poor.
Philogene had two men on him - play it quicker as there will be more space available to others.
I know that the above sentence sounds good on paper but the theory is at least right. We’ve simply are far too lethargic and lazy in possession. When we dint take our chances it puts more pressure on the defence. | | | |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 12:02 - Oct 22 with 600 views | BlueOura |
If, come December, we are 20 games in and 10 points off the play offs, we have to make a change, simple as that.
It already looks like the top 2 is out of reach, we simply have to make the play-offs, anything else would be complete failure.
McKenna needs to prove he is the manager we think he is, and the pressure is on. He needs to identify the negative patterns that have been there all season that are preventing us getting consistent results, and he needs to find solutions, if that means changing his sacred system and the way we set-up, then so-be-it.
We have spent a fortune for this division, they are his players and he needs to make it work and quick. If this club has serious ambition we cannot toodle around in mid-table hoping for some miraculous winning run to materialise in the new year. |  | | |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 12:08 - Oct 22 with 591 views | MattinLondon |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 12:02 - Oct 22 by BlueOura |
If, come December, we are 20 games in and 10 points off the play offs, we have to make a change, simple as that.
It already looks like the top 2 is out of reach, we simply have to make the play-offs, anything else would be complete failure.
McKenna needs to prove he is the manager we think he is, and the pressure is on. He needs to identify the negative patterns that have been there all season that are preventing us getting consistent results, and he needs to find solutions, if that means changing his sacred system and the way we set-up, then so-be-it.
We have spent a fortune for this division, they are his players and he needs to make it work and quick. If this club has serious ambition we cannot toodle around in mid-table hoping for some miraculous winning run to materialise in the new year. |
The top two isn’t out of reach - in my opinion at least. But that’s dependent on the team putting at least a few wins together starting on Saturday. | | | |
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| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 12:15 - Oct 22 with 578 views | DJR |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:42 - Oct 22 by Guthrum |
Indeed. Thus all the more important to make every chance count by at least getting the shot on target. |
And also to try to eliminate defensive mistakes (whether from defenders or others in the vicinity), of which there have been too many self-inflicted this season. [Post edited 22 Oct 12:47]
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| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 12:24 - Oct 22 with 552 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:12 - Oct 22 by gainsboroughblue |
I'd be more confident if we knew what the plan actually was. I know, as fans, we aren't going to be privvy to everything but talking about the money we have spent, have we bled the budget/allowance dry and KMc has to now work with what we've got? Are the board/club happy with not going up this year and 'doing a Leeds' next year and going up with the second year of parachute payments? Is there still money available? Have we got names and faces lined up? An idea? A strategy? A plan? Or more square pegs in round holes and still no new number 9 to show for it. Ashton is very happy to front the camera when things are going swimmingly but the silence is deafening right now.
We are a 3 or 4 match winning streak away from storming into the top 3 or 4 but also the current status quo continuing away from being cut adrift. What happens in the January window is very dependent on what happens in the next 8 weeks.
I'm not McK out at all. I love the guy and we are still 'ahead of the game' in terms of what the vision was but we are in danger of wasting the head start we have given ourselves and may as well have burned money for some of the good we've used it for with lopsided recruitment. There seems to have been a breakdown in leadership on the field and so far, the Sheff U and Norwich games have been the outliers this season and not the norm, which is worrying.
And if we are in the Championship next season, its looking likely there won't be a hopeless set of clubs like Leicester and Southampton dropping down either. A golden opportunity to make Leicester's (incoming) points deduction for instance count is not being taken advantage of. We could be 11 points off the top two tonight (albeit with a game in hand) and Coventry don't seem to be letting up at the moment either. |
Ashton and McKenna have only very recently released a video detailing the state of play, so saying the silence is deafening right now is nonsense. And Ashton doesn't particularly come out when things are going swimmingly either.
Do you expect him to come out with a statement after every defeat?
I get that we're all angry but let's not lose our minds and make stuff up. |  |
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| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 12:25 - Oct 22 with 552 views | muccletonjoe |
Promotion won't be happening this season and neither will the play offs , by the time some people get round to thinking we would be better off trying another manager he will have lead us a long way down a blind alley. |  | | |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 12:33 - Oct 22 with 528 views | J2BLUE |
There are so many variables. If we're making the same mistakes over and over then you have to consider it.
I hate to say this...I know I will get some stick but you would have to think that bringing in a solid defensively minded manager and spending big in January on 1-2 key additions (as well as bring Chaplin and Morsy home) would give us a good chance of making up 10 points.
With that said, I am absolutely convinced McKenna is our man and this squad is far better than we are currently showing. I really want them given the season. This is a marathon not a sprint although I cannot deny that I am nervous about two tough games to come. If we take 0-3 points from those it will be very pretty toxic IMO. If we can find a way to win those two, get some confidence, we then go into a winnable run and can really take off. |  |
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| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 12:36 - Oct 22 with 518 views | Illinoisblue |
It’s working well for Southampton:
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| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 12:39 - Oct 22 with 504 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 12:25 - Oct 22 by muccletonjoe |
Promotion won't be happening this season and neither will the play offs , by the time some people get round to thinking we would be better off trying another manager he will have lead us a long way down a blind alley. |
You seem to be a lot more vocal on here after a defeat than a win. You barely posted anything after we beat Norwich, for example. | |
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| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 12:42 - Oct 22 with 493 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 12:25 - Oct 22 by muccletonjoe |
Promotion won't be happening this season and neither will the play offs , by the time some people get round to thinking we would be better off trying another manager he will have lead us a long way down a blind alley. |
What are the options you think are better? |  |
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| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 12:49 - Oct 22 with 476 views | MattinLondon |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 12:39 - Oct 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You seem to be a lot more vocal on here after a defeat than a win. You barely posted anything after we beat Norwich, for example. |
As are a fair few posters. Now I’m not saying that they are budgies or just people who get a bizarre thrill from posting rubbish….well I am. They are subhuman scum. | | | |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 12:50 - Oct 22 with 473 views | The_Major |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 12:24 - Oct 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Ashton and McKenna have only very recently released a video detailing the state of play, so saying the silence is deafening right now is nonsense. And Ashton doesn't particularly come out when things are going swimmingly either.
Do you expect him to come out with a statement after every defeat?
I get that we're all angry but let's not lose our minds and make stuff up. |
The interview Ashton and McKenna did with Matt Holland a few weeks ago was telling for me. There was a lot of talk of managing and tempering people's expectations, to basically say, we might not go up this season, and if we don't, so be it. I can't believe Ashton would say that if that wasn't the way the owners were thinking.
However, it depends how you define that. It mght mean that if there's a heroic defeat in the playoffs, or we miss out on them by a couple of points, then, well, we gave it a good go with a new team, but fell at the final hurdle. On the other hand, if we end up in our traditional home of say 15th, then I think a change would happen in the summer. I also think that it would be by mutual consent or KM resigning.
The only way I see him being punted out the door before the end of the season is either if we go on a ridiculous losing run (See Manning, L or Postecoglou, A) or we seem to be in serious danger of emulating Luton.
But there's no denying these are testing times. Hopefully it'll come good sooner rather than later. |  | | |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 12:50 - Oct 22 with 473 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
Changing the management of the club will make it much worse. |  | | |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 12:51 - Oct 22 with 473 views | mellowblue |
In a league where the top six are not super strong, 10 points is bridgeable. No need for panic. If it is 15 or more, it is likely the patience of the owners will have snapped and someone like Carrick will be drafted in. Probably rightly as the teams in 4-6 positions are only scoring about 1.7 points per game which would put them 20 points ahead if we did not play another game. That would mean to get to a point of being 15 points behind, we would only be achieving 5 points in those 10 games. That is sackable form at Championship level with the huge squad spending we have made. Ashton could look at his position too or be booted upstairs and bring in an experienced director of football. | | | |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 12:59 - Oct 22 with 424 views | brazil1982 |
We are 5 points off the bottom three - we really don't want to get sucked into that and have a battle of survival, let alone, promotion to deal with. |  | | |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 13:17 - Oct 22 with 387 views | bartyg |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 12:25 - Oct 22 by muccletonjoe |
Promotion won't be happening this season and neither will the play offs , by the time some people get round to thinking we would be better off trying another manager he will have lead us a long way down a blind alley. |
Come on now, be serious. It's all tight margins- we created more than enough goal opportunities we just didn't finish any of them.
The defensive problems are more concerning, we look very easy to break on the counter. But if we sink a couple of our chances in the first half it settles the nerves and the game looks more like Portsmouth imo. |  | | |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 13:30 - Oct 22 with 353 views | SitfcB |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 12:25 - Oct 22 by muccletonjoe |
Promotion won't be happening this season and neither will the play offs , by the time some people get round to thinking we would be better off trying another manager he will have lead us a long way down a blind alley. |
Some people said promotion wasn’t happening a month or so before the end of the League 1 season….
A long, long way to go.
Not worried yet. | |
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| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 13:45 - Oct 22 with 313 views | Smoresy |
I don't know when I'd feel ready to do it, truth be told. We had apathy for such a long time before him, which may be worse than misery. Then he brought us ridiculous joy.
Closing the book with this kind of ending would be damn painful. I had pencilled in a happy ending, confiding among friends.
Now people speak of entitlement among the support; some of us are guilty as charged, but many just recognise the whopping great hourglass looming over our heads: financial realities don't allow us to keep this squad together for long without success (muric to some people's ears probably but not mine).
Even with this understanding though, I'd rather give him too many chances to succeed than one too few. I'm a doubter because I believe he's had long enough to produce better than we're watching, because last year was miserable, and because I don't see a squad assembled to give him the balance he wants, crazily. But I'd be more at peace holding my burst balloon alongside a man I have so much time for, rather than in a stranger-danger scenario (see big Ange).
And he's a bright man. | | | |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 13:53 - Oct 22 with 281 views | BouncebackIpswich |
I think McKenna still has a lot of credit in the bank, but if between now and Christmas there is no noticeable improvement in performances, results and league position, the question will be discussed internally and an increasing percentage of Town fans will be asking it seriously too.
Not quite 5/6 games to save your job territory but he needs to show some signs he has done idea of how to turn things around because right now doing the same thing expecting a different result isn't cutting it |  | | |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 17:28 - Oct 22 with 196 views | djgooder |
I suppose as well we need to consider in his own mind does McKenna have the option of failure? He is highly regarded at that moment and rightly so. But our PL campaign was a disaster, if he follows that up with a disastrous champ campaign after the monies spent his stock drops and he maybe lose the most lucrative options he currently seems to have. In many respects failure isn’t an option for him.
I think he can do it. Maybe it has been harder than he or anyone expected. Even if we don’t go up this year I’d stick with him. I only think he goes if it is disastrous and we aren’t even competitive. |  | | |
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