| Darkhorse 19:13 - Oct 28 with 13246 views | backwaywhen |
Phil
Please ban this pillock …..that is all .
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| Darkhorse on 19:21 - Oct 29 with 1487 views | SheffordBlue |
| Darkhorse on 17:51 - Oct 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Fishers got banned twice for posting endless anti Lambert views and then anti Cook views. Now those views are pretty mainstream.
I don't agree with what Darkhorse is posting and I pretty much ignore his stuff but we can't have posters being banned for having a negative view on the management of the club.
It still says Independent Ipswich Town above the TWTD logo. |
I think some of it is less about what he says and more about the way that he says it. Whether by design or not the way he writes triggers a response in many people on here. After I realised that everytime I read one of his posts I got angry I put him on ignore.
There are various Ipswich poster like that - both on here and elsewhere on social media. Is it their fault or mine? I'm not really sure but life is too short to be angry so where possible I just try to remove these people from my social media feed - whatever platform that is. | |
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| Darkhorse on 19:34 - Oct 29 with 1424 views | Churchman |
| Darkhorse on 19:00 - Oct 29 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Wow quite the leap there Churchman and accusation of me trolling, what is that about?
"I am not going to waste my time providing you examples"
Churchman you "PROVIDE examples".
I don't dislike you at all but you seem to be very upset if anyone is critical of ITFC sometimes. I am not even doing that on this thread btw, I am telling you why I don't think a about a poster shouldn't be banned for having an opinion.
Also, yes, JasonDozzell, NthQldITFC and others do it quite a lot. Off the top of my head, one of them said how amazing we had been at HT against Bristol the other week. We weren't.
I am not a negative person, I am always honest honest how I feel about the current state of play for my sports teams, sorry if it doesn't always fit your narrative. |
If you read it I didn’t accuse you of trolling. Are you happy with people that do?
Ryorry has proved a couple of examples in addition to the one I provided.
I am not upset with anyone who is critical of ITFC. It’s a forum. I save upset for far more important things in life.
The posters you mention by name tend to offer balance in their views and look to see where things can be improved, the big picture, perspective. Very unfashionable I guess, but I see more in that than the rapidly increasing pure criticism I see on here.
It’s really simple. You maybe happy with Darkhorse and certain other dismals. I am not. Just a view. |  | | |
| Darkhorse on 19:34 - Oct 29 with 1424 views | Ryorry |
| Darkhorse on 18:54 - Oct 29 by HighgateBlue |
Many people say stuff that is at least as abusive about the likes of Marcus Evans and Paul Lambert.
Is it more of a problem when it relates to McKenna or Ashton because they are current employees of the club, or because you don't agree with it, or, as your post indicates, simply because it's abuse?
Personally I think there is an inclination on here to assess the performance of the incumbent regime in too positive a light, and past regimes in too negative a light. But I appreciate that others will have strong views that differ from that, and will express them forcefully.
Darkhorse is an extreme user, granted, but even opinions which differ markedly from the consensus should be allowed, in my view. And if straightforward name-calling and/or singling people out for criticism is to be subject to zero tolerance, the OP would seem not to have got that memo. |
People rightly want evidence of his abuse of KM and MA, but then exempt dh from having to provide evidence for his comments like “none of the recently transferred players to other clubs had a good word to say about KM” ?? Talk about strange logic.
To me that comment is actually worse than abuse; it’s a smear without evidence that could damage our current manager’s reputation in real life.
Edit: ps re your second paragraph - purely because it’s abuse. Like others have said, there are sometimes a few points in dh’s posts with which I agree. [Post edited 29 Oct 19:41]
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| Darkhorse on 19:50 - Oct 29 with 1352 views | Bigalhunter |
| Darkhorse on 17:23 - Oct 29 by GavTWTD |
Well, we can. If that person is causing people to turn away then it's an issue. The majority of people that read the forum don't log in so they can't put someone on ignore. Also everything that gets said on here can end up on google searches. It's an issue so where do we draw the line? |
Is it really causing people to turn away, though?
Some users complain about political threads putting them off coming onto the site, usually those whose own ‘views’ aren’t proportionally reflected or allowed to go unchallenged.
I can’t imagine you’re planning to dispense with that bit because some are proud socialists and others are Farage/Yaxley Lennon fanboys?
As someone else said, TWTD has always proudly been an independent resource, not a club publicity sock puppet.
You can’t seriously think this darkhorse character is going to bring the whole thing crumbling down, shirley, just because a few people are getting shouty and tribal about the potential sacrifice of a dissenting voice? |  |
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| Darkhorse on 20:44 - Oct 29 with 1210 views | WeWereZombies |
| Darkhorse on 19:34 - Oct 29 by Ryorry |
People rightly want evidence of his abuse of KM and MA, but then exempt dh from having to provide evidence for his comments like “none of the recently transferred players to other clubs had a good word to say about KM” ?? Talk about strange logic.
To me that comment is actually worse than abuse; it’s a smear without evidence that could damage our current manager’s reputation in real life.
Edit: ps re your second paragraph - purely because it’s abuse. Like others have said, there are sometimes a few points in dh’s posts with which I agree. [Post edited 29 Oct 19:41]
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I think it might be true that none of the departing players this summer had a good word to say about McKenna and Ashton after they left (although I think they all posted thank you to the club for great times messages) but, more importantly, I can't say that I have seen them saying any bad words about McKenna and Ashton either... |  |
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| Darkhorse on 21:20 - Oct 29 with 1113 views | Ryorry |
| Darkhorse on 20:44 - Oct 29 by WeWereZombies |
I think it might be true that none of the departing players this summer had a good word to say about McKenna and Ashton after they left (although I think they all posted thank you to the club for great times messages) but, more importantly, I can't say that I have seen them saying any bad words about McKenna and Ashton either... |
It's a clever slur because who has the means and time to go through all the things those players have said and written from the time of their departure? | |
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| Darkhorse on 21:52 - Oct 29 with 1028 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Darkhorse on 21:20 - Oct 29 by Ryorry |
It's a clever slur because who has the means and time to go through all the things those players have said and written from the time of their departure? |
It may be a clever slur, but how many people really think it’s likely none of the departing have a good word about KmK. Delap? Axel? Just for two who on the balance of probability will have good things to say, and the post-departure comments seem to support that view. Morsy? He encouraged others to sign for us after he left.
Of course, impossible to prove either way, but I’m at least putting forward a counter argument based on some plausible evidence, unlike the original claim that was just an unsubstantiated defamation. | | | |
| Darkhorse on 22:20 - Oct 29 with 963 views | ReusersTown |
One thing is for sure he F**king loves this as he only lives to seek attention and bask in his scummer centric posting. | | | |
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| Darkhorse on 22:41 - Oct 29 with 907 views | syntaxerror |
I think something to think about is why does he does what he does.
Continual attacks on our manager, team and board.
What is the agenda?
Some people like his ‘alternative view’
But there is a purpose, like there was to the Elephant.
A few weeks ago Phil posted that there was legal issues with a previous poster. |  | | |
| Darkhorse on 22:55 - Oct 29 with 836 views | waveneyblue |
| Darkhorse on 16:57 - Oct 29 by Churchman |
Darkhorse is boring, Uninformative, zero objectivity, abusive towards players and staff, revels when we lose, makes stuff up, distorts, filled with repetitive negativity on all things ITFC.
If there is a reason why he comes on here to dispense his all seeing ‘wisdom’ it’s lost on me. Beyond deliberate trolling and wind up of course. Or maybe he’s ill?
The argument that there are grains of truth in what he says doesn’t stand up for me. I’m sure there are grains of truth in what the likes Trump and Farage say - it’s how social and mainstream media often works, but it doesn’t make it right.
The forum is not mine. The administrators decide what is acceptable and what is not - and a fine job they make of it too. The rules are theirs - but if it was my decision, after a warning it’d be ban time. |
The fact that people downvote this....
Just says everything that we need to know about them.
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| Darkhorse on 00:39 - Oct 30 with 740 views | Ryorry |
| Darkhorse on 22:55 - Oct 29 by waveneyblue |
The fact that people downvote this....
Just says everything that we need to know about them.
End of |
What makes me laugh (wryly) is that dh has written in this season alone, 13 whole pages of posts slagging off ITFC management and ownership at length, yet hasn't bothered to come onto this 5-pager to defend himself even once. | |
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| Darkhorse on 07:34 - Oct 30 with 590 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Darkhorse on 18:39 - Oct 29 by Ryorry |
Yes, you've missed quite a lot.
References to KM - "stank th e place out"; "massaging his EGO at the club's expense" (dh's caps, numerous times); "none of the old guard players who left (Mass, Cam, Broady etc) had a good word to say about him";
References to MA - "amateur"; "lazy"; "the live (sic) child of Frank Spencer & David Brent". Etc. etc.
Just because someone doesn't use industrial language calling them an ****ing **** doesn't mean it's not abuse, |
I'm still struggling to see how that's abuse.
I think blurring the lines between"" abuse" and "unfair", "incorrect" or "uncalled for" is dangerous and indeed open to abuse itself.
It's been said quite a few times recently on this forum: "words are important". While that's true, we should c
call it what it is.. and it ain't abuse. |  | | |
| Darkhorse on 08:10 - Oct 30 with 527 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Darkhorse on 19:50 - Oct 29 by Bigalhunter |
Is it really causing people to turn away, though?
Some users complain about political threads putting them off coming onto the site, usually those whose own ‘views’ aren’t proportionally reflected or allowed to go unchallenged.
I can’t imagine you’re planning to dispense with that bit because some are proud socialists and others are Farage/Yaxley Lennon fanboys?
As someone else said, TWTD has always proudly been an independent resource, not a club publicity sock puppet.
You can’t seriously think this darkhorse character is going to bring the whole thing crumbling down, shirley, just because a few people are getting shouty and tribal about the potential sacrifice of a dissenting voice? |
"You can’t seriously think this darkhorse character is going to bring the whole thing crumbling down, shirley, just because a few people are getting shouty and tribal about the potential sacrifice of a dissenting voice?"
I agree. If the whole Town management structure comes crumbling down it's less likely to be because of what one poster said but more because of the reasons that poster highlighted.
Darkhorse is way off the mark in my (and just about everybody else's) opinion, so banning him on the grounds that his hugely unpopular views might gain traction and turn the terraces against the club seems like a massive overreaction.
In my experience of forums, having posters express minority views usually has the opposite of a domino effect, if anything the (often silent) majority who hold opposing views pipe up and put the agitator in their place.
Without going too deep into psychology, this is one of the essential aspects of allowing free speech: it allows unreasonable views to be identified as such and opposed by healthy societies without the need of oppressive censorship. | | | |
| Darkhorse on 08:16 - Oct 30 with 493 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Darkhorse on 20:44 - Oct 29 by WeWereZombies |
I think it might be true that none of the departing players this summer had a good word to say about McKenna and Ashton after they left (although I think they all posted thank you to the club for great times messages) but, more importantly, I can't say that I have seen them saying any bad words about McKenna and Ashton either... |
Bingo!
Furthermore, asking someone to provide evidence of something that doesn't exist is impossible. | | | |
| Darkhorse on 08:18 - Oct 30 with 485 views | vapour_trail |
| Darkhorse on 07:34 - Oct 30 by Cafe_Newman |
I'm still struggling to see how that's abuse.
I think blurring the lines between"" abuse" and "unfair", "incorrect" or "uncalled for" is dangerous and indeed open to abuse itself.
It's been said quite a few times recently on this forum: "words are important". While that's true, we should c
call it what it is.. and it ain't abuse. |
People have made their point on this thread.
I think it’s gone well over the top now. We have a bunch of people posting the same thing again and again about DH on the thread (spot the irony). We now have self appointed board police demanding that a poster comes to defend himself on a thread he’s not had anything to do with.
It’s pretty disgusting behaviour in my book and should be put to a stop now. |  |
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| Darkhorse on 08:23 - Oct 30 with 466 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Darkhorse on 21:20 - Oct 29 by Ryorry |
It's a clever slur because who has the means and time to go through all the things those players have said and written from the time of their departure? |
It's not that clever at all. It only takes one of the many people who disagree with Darkhorse to find one example of positive words by just one of the departed players to prove him wrong.
There are loads of people on the internet with the motivation to prove themselves right and others wrong who'll find the time to do exactly that. | | | |
| Darkhorse on 08:26 - Oct 30 with 444 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Darkhorse on 22:20 - Oct 29 by ReusersTown |
One thing is for sure he F**king loves this as he only lives to seek attention and bask in his scummer centric posting. |
I'm sure you're right, but the irony of your comment is that you post it directly after another person has accused Darkhorse of unsubstantiated defamation. | | | |
| Darkhorse on 08:36 - Oct 30 with 410 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Darkhorse on 08:18 - Oct 30 by vapour_trail |
People have made their point on this thread.
I think it’s gone well over the top now. We have a bunch of people posting the same thing again and again about DH on the thread (spot the irony). We now have self appointed board police demanding that a poster comes to defend himself on a thread he’s not had anything to do with.
It’s pretty disgusting behaviour in my book and should be put to a stop now. |
I'm loving this thread. It speaks volumes about football fans, the innernet and perhaps even society in general right now. I say let the intolerant, free speech deniers expose themselves right here.
I just hope this thread is not deleted. | | | |
| Darkhorse on 08:43 - Oct 30 with 376 views | darkhorse28 |
| Darkhorse on 20:03 - Oct 28 by TheBoyBlue |
Clearly isn't a Town fan. Whilst I get some Town fans may have forgotten how it felt to be a fan under Marcus Evans and be disgruntled at how things have gone this season, I don't believe any true Town fan would have the agenda darkhorse has against McKenna and Ashton. Therefore they shouldn't be here. |
We’re in the same position as under Marcus, but with £250 million spent.
You don’t like it. Clearly. But that’s not my fault, sorry, genuinely if that makes you feel bad, it’s honestly not the intention. It is true though.
Maybe process why you can’t deal with it and hold those responsible to account. | | | |
| Darkhorse on 08:45 - Oct 30 with 371 views | darkhorse28 |
| Darkhorse on 20:15 - Oct 28 by gainsboroughblue |
Or.....
Champions League contract
Agreed to join Brighton
Ego
7 in 48 |
Which boys aren’t true.
You don’t like it.., none of the decisions were mine, maybe look at those responsible, rather than the messenger. | | | |
| Darkhorse on 08:45 - Oct 30 with 384 views | WeWereZombies |
| Darkhorse on 08:36 - Oct 30 by Cafe_Newman |
I'm loving this thread. It speaks volumes about football fans, the innernet and perhaps even society in general right now. I say let the intolerant, free speech deniers expose themselves right here.
I just hope this thread is not deleted. |
I broadly agree with that, and contrary to a few opinions on the thread, don't think it gives darkhorsey the type of attention they seemingly crave. However, the most revealing post was by Gav bringing up the issue of how posts on this forum get collected, repeated and amplified elsewhere on the internet. We all know that neddy is not representative of the forum or in any way balanced in their views but elsewhere, and taken out of context, there is potential for damage from the cloppity clopp posting (see also FootballLeagueWorld or whatever it is called clickbait.) | |
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| Darkhorse on 08:49 - Oct 30 with 352 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Darkhorse on 08:43 - Oct 30 by darkhorse28 |
We’re in the same position as under Marcus, but with £250 million spent.
You don’t like it. Clearly. But that’s not my fault, sorry, genuinely if that makes you feel bad, it’s honestly not the intention. It is true though.
Maybe process why you can’t deal with it and hold those responsible to account. |
I really didn't want to get involved with this bl00dy thread but anyway ....
We're far from " in the same position"
In terms of frustrations to a degree on the pitch granted to a very small degree but it'll happen but in relation to anything else , we're miles apart from those dark days ...miles ! |  |
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| Darkhorse on 08:55 - Oct 30 with 323 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Darkhorse on 08:18 - Oct 30 by vapour_trail |
People have made their point on this thread.
I think it’s gone well over the top now. We have a bunch of people posting the same thing again and again about DH on the thread (spot the irony). We now have self appointed board police demanding that a poster comes to defend himself on a thread he’s not had anything to do with.
It’s pretty disgusting behaviour in my book and should be put to a stop now. |
The 55 people who have to date upvoted the OP need to consider their possible inclusion in the fanning of the flames of intolerance towards an individual who has expressed his intolerance of another.
Many of the 55 claim they want him banned for fear that his opinions gain support. The irony indeed. | | | |
| Darkhorse on 09:13 - Oct 30 with 270 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Darkhorse on 08:45 - Oct 30 by WeWereZombies |
I broadly agree with that, and contrary to a few opinions on the thread, don't think it gives darkhorsey the type of attention they seemingly crave. However, the most revealing post was by Gav bringing up the issue of how posts on this forum get collected, repeated and amplified elsewhere on the internet. We all know that neddy is not representative of the forum or in any way balanced in their views but elsewhere, and taken out of context, there is potential for damage from the cloppity clopp posting (see also FootballLeagueWorld or whatever it is called clickbait.) |
A great reply which addresses a far bigger problem: There is a risk then that anyone (equine or otherwise) can post or say anything anywhere, and that view can be picked up and used out of context - resulting in damage of some description to someone or something.
What's the solution here? Ban all contrary opinion? Allow only opinions endorsed by a Glorious Leader? Or just ban speech completely?
We can't lambast other cultures and countries for suppression of freedoms and basic human rights when we have such a shaky attitude to free speech and tolerance ourselves. Can we? | | | |
| Darkhorse on 09:18 - Oct 30 with 231 views | trncbluearmy |
| Darkhorse on 08:43 - Oct 30 by darkhorse28 |
We’re in the same position as under Marcus, but with £250 million spent.
You don’t like it. Clearly. But that’s not my fault, sorry, genuinely if that makes you feel bad, it’s honestly not the intention. It is true though.
Maybe process why you can’t deal with it and hold those responsible to account. |
That is just wrong and why you get on so many peoples tits when you come out with this rubbish
In what world, apart from yours, are we in the same position as under evans |  | | |
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