| McKenna Top 6 13:54 - Nov 5 with 2698 views | cressi |
If we don't make the top 6 should he get another season here two plus really good seasons which would be followed by two very very poor seasons if top 6 not achieved. |  | | |  |
| McKenna Top 6 on 06:57 - Nov 6 with 555 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
Yes. We can't ignore how much turnover was really needed. Back to back promotions whilst incredible were built on a squad designed to get out of L1 and survive in the championship, it was a huge task for us after 2 straight promotions and wad always going to take more time. Bottom line is he has over achieved, we shouldn't use that as lynch rope.
Caveat, if next season doesnt start well thats when questions need to be asked. |  |
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| McKenna Top 6 on 07:06 - Nov 6 with 541 views | Benters |
I reckon we will make the top 6 easily. |  |
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| McKenna Top 6 on 07:27 - Nov 6 with 512 views | Rimsy |
No. But we'll be comfortably top 6. No way are 3 or 4 teams currently up there going to last the pace. Coventry and Boro are the only teams deserving to be there. It's ours for the taking. |  |
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| McKenna Top 6 on 07:54 - Nov 6 with 478 views | Dubtractor |
| McKenna Top 6 on 13:57 - Nov 5 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
If we don’t go up I imagine he will leave for another opportunity one way or another.
I personally think outside top 2 would be a failure let alone top 6. |
Completely agree with your first sentence.
Minor disagreement on the second. I would say that if we're not in the shake up for top 2 at the business end of the season then the season will have been a failure, but finishing 3rd or 4th in that context would be acceptable.
Not finishing top 6 would be a poor season.
Im confident that we will be in the mix come May though. |  |
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| McKenna Top 6 on 08:10 - Nov 6 with 459 views | Cafe_Newman |
| McKenna Top 6 on 14:08 - Nov 5 by southnorfolkblue |
Yes.
We might actually benefit from "doing a Leeds" and getting promoted in the second season after relegation. The current team looks a million miles from being a Premier League side and none of the loans who we are obliged to buy if we get promoted look remotely up to the required standard if we go up.
We've come an awful long way in a very short space of time. A period of consolidation may not be a bad thing in the long term and I think KM would be the right man for the job. Whether he wants to stay is another matter. |
You don't get it, do you. You're supposed to bang on about the lack of something called Plan B and then call for the head of the best manager we've had in years. That's how you fix the consistency we're lacking.
What you've done is cite what Leeds have done in the last few years. How they went down, struggled in their first year with parachute payments and the attitude of a couple of key players, stuck with their manager who had a record of getting promotion previously and were ultimately rewarded for their patience. Is that what you really want for our club too? Madness. |  | | |
| McKenna Top 6 on 08:21 - Nov 6 with 423 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| McKenna Top 6 on 08:10 - Nov 6 by Cafe_Newman |
You don't get it, do you. You're supposed to bang on about the lack of something called Plan B and then call for the head of the best manager we've had in years. That's how you fix the consistency we're lacking.
What you've done is cite what Leeds have done in the last few years. How they went down, struggled in their first year with parachute payments and the attitude of a couple of key players, stuck with their manager who had a record of getting promotion previously and were ultimately rewarded for their patience. Is that what you really want for our club too? Madness. |
I hope every impatient twonk reads this. |  |
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| McKenna Top 6 on 08:45 - Nov 6 with 401 views | baxterbasics |
| McKenna Top 6 on 08:10 - Nov 6 by Cafe_Newman |
You don't get it, do you. You're supposed to bang on about the lack of something called Plan B and then call for the head of the best manager we've had in years. That's how you fix the consistency we're lacking.
What you've done is cite what Leeds have done in the last few years. How they went down, struggled in their first year with parachute payments and the attitude of a couple of key players, stuck with their manager who had a record of getting promotion previously and were ultimately rewarded for their patience. Is that what you really want for our club too? Madness. |
This is what too many fans aren't understanding.
If McKenna goes, whether by choice or because he is pushed, what are the realistic chances we get an improvement by whomever Ashton finds as a replacement? The Championship and lower leagues are littered with teams that replaced a decent manager after a less satisfactory season or two, only to sink like a stone thereafter. Look at Nodge and their series of managerial changes - each one performing worse than the last. Would definitely prefer stability over that death spiral, even if current results are falling below expectations. |  |
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| McKenna Top 6 on 08:57 - Nov 6 with 383 views | Dubtractor |
| McKenna Top 6 on 08:10 - Nov 6 by Cafe_Newman |
You don't get it, do you. You're supposed to bang on about the lack of something called Plan B and then call for the head of the best manager we've had in years. That's how you fix the consistency we're lacking.
What you've done is cite what Leeds have done in the last few years. How they went down, struggled in their first year with parachute payments and the attitude of a couple of key players, stuck with their manager who had a record of getting promotion previously and were ultimately rewarded for their patience. Is that what you really want for our club too? Madness. |
I take the general point, but in no way did Leeds 'struggle'.
They finished the season on 90 points, and were 3rd at this stage.
They did take a few games to get into their groove, as we have, but the end result was a points total that would have seen them promoted most seasons. Worth noting that after 13 games Leeds had 2 more points than we do now - just one of the draws we have turned into a win.
Let's hope we end up with the same points total as they did at the end of the season! | |
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| McKenna Top 6 on 09:17 - Nov 6 with 361 views | Cafe_Newman |
| McKenna Top 6 on 08:57 - Nov 6 by Dubtractor |
I take the general point, but in no way did Leeds 'struggle'.
They finished the season on 90 points, and were 3rd at this stage.
They did take a few games to get into their groove, as we have, but the end result was a points total that would have seen them promoted most seasons. Worth noting that after 13 games Leeds had 2 more points than we do now - just one of the draws we have turned into a win.
Let's hope we end up with the same points total as they did at the end of the season! |
"I take the general point, but in no way did Leeds 'struggle'.
They struggled to meet their entitled fans' expectations massively.
And the same thing is happening at Town now, and as you say, there's only 2 points difference between us now and Leeds 2 years ago. [Post edited 6 Nov 9:48]
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| McKenna Top 6 on 09:18 - Nov 6 with 356 views | thebooks |
Yeah, I think so, although these things can take on a life of their own and if the atmosphere became too toxic, who knows.
We've had 3 promotions/relegations in succession, which I think makes things hard to manage, especially from a standing start.
We've gone from mid-L1 to a good Championship team in that time. That's against a backdrop of the Championship generally becoming more level, standardised and just higher quality.
I'd also like us to be a bit different from every other team through sticking with the same manager. There's something quite nicely old-fashioned about that, and I think apart from anything else KM is a great ambassador for ITFC. |  | | |
| McKenna Top 6 on 10:52 - Nov 6 with 315 views | Radlett_blue |
| McKenna Top 6 on 08:45 - Nov 6 by baxterbasics |
This is what too many fans aren't understanding.
If McKenna goes, whether by choice or because he is pushed, what are the realistic chances we get an improvement by whomever Ashton finds as a replacement? The Championship and lower leagues are littered with teams that replaced a decent manager after a less satisfactory season or two, only to sink like a stone thereafter. Look at Nodge and their series of managerial changes - each one performing worse than the last. Would definitely prefer stability over that death spiral, even if current results are falling below expectations. |
If McKenna fails to get this squad promoted, he has failed. Unless we get 90pts & are unluckily pipped in the play offs, this represents a huge failure & I would certainly expect we could find someone else who could get more out of the squad. |  |
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| McKenna Top 6 on 11:54 - Nov 6 with 273 views | FrankfurtBlue |
Two points:
1. We are supporters. The clue is in the name. Try to be as supportive as possible to those that need it, our team, our manager. If you need reminding, think how far we have come in a relatively short space of time, since Evans and the Paul's. None of that means, you don't have a right to your opinion, but do consider whether you are being constructive or destructive in your criticism. We all want success.
2. How do you decide who is guilty of what? In times gone by, a manager managed everything, and could be held accountable for recruitment, youth development, as well as first team results etc. I hear the piggy fiddlers calling for Manning's head, then Krapper's head, sack the board etc. Their personnel have more defined roles, so it is easier to point the finger when certain things (in their case, everything) go wrong. SBR said "Recruitment is the most important aspect of football management.", but who is responsible for that at Ipswich? KMc seems to have a say, but if others don't do a good job of research and/or negotiation, is it fair that he is held entirely accountable?
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| McKenna Top 6 on 12:06 - Nov 6 with 262 views | jas0999 |
No.
Top two is the aim and only acceptable goal. Anything less would be failure.
If we fail to gain promotion, he will go. [Post edited 6 Nov 12:06]
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| McKenna Top 6 on 12:08 - Nov 6 with 256 views | GlasgowBlue |
It would be a catastrophic failure not to make the top six. Bang average teams can hover a around mid table for most of the season and still crash the play offs with a decent April run. I can't conceive of any circumstances where we would miss the play offs.
I see somebody mentioned dong a Leeds. Leeds made the play off final. If we didn't even make the top six then I don't se us being able to retain the likes of O'Shea, Jaden, Clarke, Palmer, Davis, etc. So it would need a complete rebuild.
I think in those circumstances t would be a mutual decision to part ways. But I still think we will get automatic promotion so it's a moot point. |  |
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| McKenna Top 6 on 12:25 - Nov 6 with 224 views | JeremiahBrown |
The way he was talking at the beginning was that it may not be this year we go up, but that the idea is to go up and stay up when we do. Well that was the impression I got anyway. | | | |
| McKenna Top 6 on 12:50 - Nov 6 with 190 views | Nutkins_Return |
| McKenna Top 6 on 00:18 - Nov 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
“Top 2 is the aim but the plans had to change in the summer with certain players like Omari forcing moves.“
Another boarding on ridiculous take. All parachute clubs lose players late that wouldn’t have suddenly changed everything. I posted in April he would be off, so I’m sure ITFC had an inkling, no chance we were surviving the summer with just losing Delap. We were also down by valentines day and heavily backed. If we suddenly had to pivot everything after pre season I’d be even more worried about our preparation.
If we lost in the playoffs there could be argument to keep him depending how the season panned out but it would still be a failure, especially when you look at the state of the league. I rate him highly as a manager and want him to stay this year and then evaluate. Let’s just back him and the team and see what happens but I also won’t apologize for posting opinions on here as things progress! Of course I hope they are all very positive things but so far they haven’t always been. I still think we will go up. The league is poor. [Post edited 6 Nov 0:49]
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What an odd opening. I was going to write you didn't read the rest of what I wrote but from your reply you seem to have. I made it clear that top 2 should still absolutely be the aim.
I was making the point as I outlined that the build up to that and progression was going to be slower because of a bigger amount of change than anticipated.
You don't always get what you deserve in football or what you have put in back. There are so many factors.
Like in a world cup it's always a degree of luck required even if you are the best team. People can say anything other than winning it is failure. Maybe (bit daft to me) but surely you can separate the process/body of work being right Vs the outcome (where there is some luck element along the way).
As I say I'll judge him on the progress and the improvements. But yes we should absolutely be competing for top 2. | |
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| McKenna Top 6 on 16:16 - Nov 6 with 128 views | Radlett_blue |
| McKenna Top 6 on 12:50 - Nov 6 by Nutkins_Return |
What an odd opening. I was going to write you didn't read the rest of what I wrote but from your reply you seem to have. I made it clear that top 2 should still absolutely be the aim.
I was making the point as I outlined that the build up to that and progression was going to be slower because of a bigger amount of change than anticipated.
You don't always get what you deserve in football or what you have put in back. There are so many factors.
Like in a world cup it's always a degree of luck required even if you are the best team. People can say anything other than winning it is failure. Maybe (bit daft to me) but surely you can separate the process/body of work being right Vs the outcome (where there is some luck element along the way).
As I say I'll judge him on the progress and the improvements. But yes we should absolutely be competing for top 2. |
Over a 46 game season, the league table doesn't lie. So let's see where Town finish. But failure to get promotion will be a clear failure by McKenna. That should probably be the end of him at Town, unless we finished a very close 3rd & were pipped in the dreaded play-offs. | |
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| McKenna Top 6 on 20:50 - Nov 6 with 69 views | mellowblue |
Yes, out of loyalty and hopes that he gets it right eventually, but if we end up 8th, general discontent from fans and owners could force a change anyway. And maybe the lack of success and club's player buying might put Ashton's position under pressure also. | | | |
| McKenna Top 6 on 20:59 - Nov 6 with 62 views | JammyDodgerrr |
Outside of top 2 is a failure but if we got up via the play-offs he would stay, and I'd be happy for him too. If we miss the Top 6, I think that's pretty inexcusable. |  |
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| McKenna Top 6 on 21:12 - Nov 6 with 53 views | bazza |
I’d take promotion at Wembley , the play off teams tend to fair better as well. |  | | |
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