| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today 21:37 - Nov 5 with 2223 views | onceablue |
Was he serious?
That was the most aggressive I have ever seen an MP, disgraceful behaviour
Shouting pointing his figure leaning over the dispatch box.
The Tory MP continued to ask a question but unfortunately didn’t get an answer.
Why no poppy as well doesn’t he feel our veterans deserve honouring |  | | |  |
| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 06:53 - Nov 6 with 551 views | Benters |
If it wasn’t so serious it might be funny. [Post edited 6 Nov 6:55]
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| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 07:23 - Nov 6 with 515 views | noggin |
| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 23:59 - Nov 5 by MattinLondon |
Third! Missing out on automatic promotion - noggin out. |
I will be asking for a review of the result. |  |
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| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 07:29 - Nov 6 with 508 views | DanTheMan |
| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 06:46 - Nov 6 by BlueBadger |
Interesting you don't remember Chairman Nige flouncing off to the Gallery because people were taking the piss our of him for being a lazy facist grifter in the pocket of Putin and not getting the questions he wasn't asking, answered.
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I'm loathe to agree with Farage and think what he's doing is performative, but I don't think he's wrong that the whole setup of PMQs is stupid.
Asking a question, getting a silly answer and then not being able to respond is stupid.
Then you get the questions from your own party which are inevitably something like "I've noticed we're doing great, does the Prime Minister agree we're doing great?"
And then all the screaming like school children etc.
Personally think they should can the whole thing, it's just theatre. |  |
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| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 07:37 - Nov 6 with 477 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 00:12 - Nov 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Odd last comment. Dan Hodges wasn’t used to win an argument. There is no argument.
I just thought that having seen Lammy’s woeful performance, Hodges summed it very well in an amusing way.
Seeing the whips scrambling around trying to get a poppy for Lammy, before finally borrowing one off another Labour MP was worth the license fee. It then went downhill further. |
This is everything I hate about politics in this country. Oooh, he's not wearing a poppy, quick attack him. Ooh, his tie's not straight, ooh he eats a bacon sandwich in a funny way... blah blah bolloks. |  |
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| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 07:53 - Nov 6 with 459 views | Benters |
| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 07:37 - Nov 6 by The_Flashing_Smile |
This is everything I hate about politics in this country. Oooh, he's not wearing a poppy, quick attack him. Ooh, his tie's not straight, ooh he eats a bacon sandwich in a funny way... blah blah bolloks. |
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| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 07:56 - Nov 6 with 455 views | Benters |
| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 07:37 - Nov 6 by The_Flashing_Smile |
This is everything I hate about politics in this country. Oooh, he's not wearing a poppy, quick attack him. Ooh, his tie's not straight, ooh he eats a bacon sandwich in a funny way... blah blah bolloks. |
They are a scruffy looking bunch though Dollers. | |
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| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 08:02 - Nov 6 with 448 views | BloomBlue |
It was weird.
Apparently he knew they had been released but didn't answer, which is technically misleading the HoC. The Speaker then asked him to return to explain the situation to the House and refused.
That is very much a Tory approach.
The problem for Starmer and Labour is before the election they told us we need grown-ups in politics and they would stop all the childish politics and give us a serious government. It won't wash with the public when you have the Lammy situation of two weeks ago shouting he has implemented the toughest prisoner release process ever and then refusing to answer the question in HoC.
Either they want adult serious politics or they don't |  | | |
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| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 08:07 - Nov 6 with 426 views | Benters |
| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 08:02 - Nov 6 by BloomBlue |
It was weird.
Apparently he knew they had been released but didn't answer, which is technically misleading the HoC. The Speaker then asked him to return to explain the situation to the House and refused.
That is very much a Tory approach.
The problem for Starmer and Labour is before the election they told us we need grown-ups in politics and they would stop all the childish politics and give us a serious government. It won't wash with the public when you have the Lammy situation of two weeks ago shouting he has implemented the toughest prisoner release process ever and then refusing to answer the question in HoC.
Either they want adult serious politics or they don't |
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| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 08:10 - Nov 6 with 426 views | Pinewoodblue |
Shame Thst out local Tory MP made such a hash of it thst he fluffed the punchline by repeating his question once too often
He can now sink back into obscurity |  |
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| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 08:18 - Nov 6 with 410 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
"He" didn't do it. The system - chronically underfunded by your lot for years and years - did it. | |
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| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 08:20 - Nov 6 with 401 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 07:56 - Nov 6 by Benters |
They are a scruffy looking bunch though Dollers. |
YOU'RE a scruffy looking bunch! | |
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| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 08:21 - Nov 6 with 405 views | Whos_blue |
Yes, Lammy made a pigs ear of it by unnecessarily losing his shizzle, but it wasn't quite the trap the Tories thought it was as the they were gunning for another asylum seeker being released when he wasn't.
My view:
The tories playing politics and ultimately getting the facts wrong.
Labour in a world of pain right now and can't do right for doing wrong.
I say a score draw at full time.
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| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 09:04 - Nov 6 with 349 views | Swansea_Blue |
| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 00:12 - Nov 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Odd last comment. Dan Hodges wasn’t used to win an argument. There is no argument.
I just thought that having seen Lammy’s woeful performance, Hodges summed it very well in an amusing way.
Seeing the whips scrambling around trying to get a poppy for Lammy, before finally borrowing one off another Labour MP was worth the license fee. It then went downhill further. |
Sorry, but I find him an odious little turd. I’m sure it was entertaining though, that’s all it seems to be these days. |  |
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| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 09:10 - Nov 6 with 336 views | Swansea_Blue |
| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 07:29 - Nov 6 by DanTheMan |
I'm loathe to agree with Farage and think what he's doing is performative, but I don't think he's wrong that the whole setup of PMQs is stupid.
Asking a question, getting a silly answer and then not being able to respond is stupid.
Then you get the questions from your own party which are inevitably something like "I've noticed we're doing great, does the Prime Minister agree we're doing great?"
And then all the screaming like school children etc.
Personally think they should can the whole thing, it's just theatre. |
100%. It’s a meaningless theatrical exercise. There are some serious issues here, with a big increase in mistakenly released prisoners in the last year (as per Glasser’s post), seemingly disrespect to the Speaker/House being shown by Lammy (as per Bloom’s post). There’s no chance of anything meaningful being discussed about either in the current format. | |
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| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 09:36 - Nov 6 with 315 views | MattinLondon |
| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 09:10 - Nov 6 by Swansea_Blue |
100%. It’s a meaningless theatrical exercise. There are some serious issues here, with a big increase in mistakenly released prisoners in the last year (as per Glasser’s post), seemingly disrespect to the Speaker/House being shown by Lammy (as per Bloom’s post). There’s no chance of anything meaningful being discussed about either in the current format. |
Totally agree with you and Dan on this.
In principle, holding the PM to account, asking them meaningful and difficult questions should be fundamental to Parliamentary democracy. But it simply descends into chaotic oneupmanship - it’s more comedy than serious comedy.
Actually I’m pretty sure that a Dutch TV channel used to show PMQs as a late night comedy show. |  | | |
| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 09:57 - Nov 6 with 274 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 09:36 - Nov 6 by MattinLondon |
Totally agree with you and Dan on this.
In principle, holding the PM to account, asking them meaningful and difficult questions should be fundamental to Parliamentary democracy. But it simply descends into chaotic oneupmanship - it’s more comedy than serious comedy.
Actually I’m pretty sure that a Dutch TV channel used to show PMQs as a late night comedy show. |
It should be rebooted. With powers to the speaker to deem a question unanswered and require the pm to actually address it. | | | |
| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 09:58 - Nov 6 with 276 views | DJR |
I don't think Lammy or Cartlidge come out of it well, with the latter using up his six questions before he had the chance to do the "big reveal". He then tried to get Rishi Sunak to reveal it, who refused, and ended up having to do it through a point of order.
As John Crace put it.
"Miscounting to six costs Tory stand-in his gotcha against poppy-shock Lammy"
"The real role of a deputy is to make the leaders look good. Jimmy C and David had done Kemi and Keir proud."
As an aside, the role of Justice Secretary is a poisoned chalice, and David Lammy didn't want to take it on but was forced to do so. His dream job was Foreign Secretary and I think he was pretty good in that role. [Post edited 6 Nov 10:01]
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| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 10:10 - Nov 6 with 254 views | GlasgowBlue |
| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 09:36 - Nov 6 by MattinLondon |
Totally agree with you and Dan on this.
In principle, holding the PM to account, asking them meaningful and difficult questions should be fundamental to Parliamentary democracy. But it simply descends into chaotic oneupmanship - it’s more comedy than serious comedy.
Actually I’m pretty sure that a Dutch TV channel used to show PMQs as a late night comedy show. |
It was a lot better when we had strong speakers who held the PM to account if he didn't answer questions.
Lindsay Hoyle is very weak. Becow used his position to further his own agenda. "Gorbals Mick" Martin* was good. As was Bernard Weatherill.
*I have to declare an interest as Mick Martin was an acquaintance who I knew reasonably well. Nothing like his public persona. |  |
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| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 10:33 - Nov 6 with 232 views | DJR |
| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 10:10 - Nov 6 by GlasgowBlue |
It was a lot better when we had strong speakers who held the PM to account if he didn't answer questions.
Lindsay Hoyle is very weak. Becow used his position to further his own agenda. "Gorbals Mick" Martin* was good. As was Bernard Weatherill.
*I have to declare an interest as Mick Martin was an acquaintance who I knew reasonably well. Nothing like his public persona. |
I always felt there was a strong element of anti-working class/Catholic prejudice at play when it came to him, as evidenced by the Gorbals moniker and the coverage he got in the press. [Post edited 6 Nov 10:34]
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| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 10:50 - Nov 6 with 215 views | Radlett_blue |
| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 10:10 - Nov 6 by GlasgowBlue |
It was a lot better when we had strong speakers who held the PM to account if he didn't answer questions.
Lindsay Hoyle is very weak. Becow used his position to further his own agenda. "Gorbals Mick" Martin* was good. As was Bernard Weatherill.
*I have to declare an interest as Mick Martin was an acquaintance who I knew reasonably well. Nothing like his public persona. |
Mick Martin may have been a decent man, but he was the man in the Speaker's Chair when the whole expenses situation rum amok, with the Speaker's Office - which he controlled - continually insisting that all the home flipping, piano tuning & moat cleaning was "within the rules". |  |
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| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 10:57 - Nov 6 with 195 views | DJR |
| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 10:50 - Nov 6 by Radlett_blue |
Mick Martin may have been a decent man, but he was the man in the Speaker's Chair when the whole expenses situation rum amok, with the Speaker's Office - which he controlled - continually insisting that all the home flipping, piano tuning & moat cleaning was "within the rules". |
As someone once involved in drafting the motions for them, the MPs' expenses system was designed to be very generous and to make up for the fact that it was difficult to increase MPs' salaries to properly reflect their work..
It was Martin's misfortune to be Speaker when the the generosity of the system became known. And the fact he was a working class Catholic Glaswegian made him an easy target. [Post edited 6 Nov 11:05]
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| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 12:15 - Nov 6 with 101 views | GlasgowBlue |
| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 10:33 - Nov 6 by DJR |
I always felt there was a strong element of anti-working class/Catholic prejudice at play when it came to him, as evidenced by the Gorbals moniker and the coverage he got in the press. [Post edited 6 Nov 10:34]
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Ironically, the Gorbals has be somewhat gentrified in recent times whereas the constituency that he represented, Springburn, is an absolute sh1t hole and he was brought up in Anderston, where ladies of the night can be found plying their trade by underneath the M8 Kingston Bridge. | |
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| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 12:25 - Nov 6 with 84 views | OldFart71 |
In truth it's time to question both Tories and Labour for the state of our Country. We simply cannot blame anyone else. Years of austerity under Osborne, the years of Gordon Brown when both Chancellor of the Exchequer and as PM. He was responsible for an ending of Company final salary schemes. Now it is constantly questioned how pensions can be afforded not only now but in the future.
For younger people it doesn't look good as they cannot get on the housing ladder and to save money for a pension is very difficult.
Unless this Country starts paying it's way and I believe that has to come via making goods that not only we want, but other Countries require. In turn that means a change of direction from this idea that you can tax your way to wealth. Eventually you end up grinding everything to a halt. Jobs are lost and those that do work cannot afford to live, yet buy nice to have things.
As for where we are regarding prisons again it's lack of investment. Just as we pay more to water companies that make huge profits and then pay board members and shareholders the profits whilst allowing the system to break down causing polluted rivers and seas. | | | |
| What a very shambolic performance by Lammy today on 12:33 - Nov 6 with 71 views | The_Major |
Was a shambolic performance by all concerned, no doubt of that, and the news that broke after simply compounded the farce.
Also, Lammy could have donated £1000 each to the RBL and Help For Heroes for all we know, but of course, according to some the important thing is that he should be wearing a poppy.
And those who shout the loudest are probably the ones who will remove their poppy, be it a paper one or lapel badge, on 12 November, and place it into a kitchen drawer, so it's ready to be reused in 11 months time, and then they haven't got to spend more money.
I also know that if say Farage had not worn a poppy through a genuine oversight it'd be "He's a busy man, and simply forgot"
I'll always remember the response of my grandfather, the Toriest Tory there could be, when there was that fuss about Michael Foot wearing a donkey jacket at the Cenotaph. "Those of us who were actually in the war don't care what people wear or don't wear, just as long as they take a moment in their day just to remember" |  | | |
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