| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another 21:02 - Nov 12 with 2306 views | GlasgowBlue |
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| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 21:06 - Nov 12 with 2251 views | SitfcB |
It’s the same with every party in power isn’t it, controversy after controversy, day after day.
Change and replace yet it stays the same.
Being PM is basically like being a Watford manager these days. |  |
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| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 21:23 - Nov 12 with 2120 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 21:06 - Nov 12 by SitfcB |
It’s the same with every party in power isn’t it, controversy after controversy, day after day.
Change and replace yet it stays the same.
Being PM is basically like being a Watford manager these days. |
They're not the same. The right wing media would like you to think that, but these Labour 'scandals' would've been mild inconveniences under the last government. |  |
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| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 21:28 - Nov 12 with 2116 views | SitfcB |
| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 21:23 - Nov 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
They're not the same. The right wing media would like you to think that, but these Labour 'scandals' would've been mild inconveniences under the last government. |
It always seems blown out of proportion from both sides.
Labour have been in just over a year and are getting it in the neck left, right and centre and a lot of people have seemingly forgotten the 14 years of Tory shíte including all the fiascos that happened during COVID. | |
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| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 21:29 - Nov 12 with 2101 views | Perublue |
Aside from the UK political fun don’t FIFA those paragons of virtue generally take a dim view of governments getting involved with national football associations ? |  |
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| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 21:53 - Nov 12 with 1989 views | WD19 |
| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 21:06 - Nov 12 by SitfcB |
It’s the same with every party in power isn’t it, controversy after controversy, day after day.
Change and replace yet it stays the same.
Being PM is basically like being a Watford manager these days. |
Except the local Tesco is less good….. |  | | |
| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 22:00 - Nov 12 with 1949 views | DarkBrandon |
“Disaster”?
Come come old bean. A slight smack on the wrist for being asked whether he was ok on an appointment he wasn’t involved in making. |  | | |
| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 09:47 - Nov 13 with 1373 views | MrBeckinsale |
I opened this thinking it was going to be yet another post about Norwich |  | | |
| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 10:06 - Nov 13 with 1317 views | ElderGrizzly |
| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 21:28 - Nov 12 by SitfcB |
It always seems blown out of proportion from both sides.
Labour have been in just over a year and are getting it in the neck left, right and centre and a lot of people have seemingly forgotten the 14 years of Tory shíte including all the fiascos that happened during COVID. |
Which is exactly what the mainly RW media want you to believe.
They were never going to give them a chance to 'fix' the last 14 years.
It's the equivalent of your kid saying "are we there yet" repeatedly, when we set off 2 minutes ago with 500 miles to go. |  | | |
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| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 10:07 - Nov 13 with 1311 views | ElderGrizzly |
| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 22:00 - Nov 12 by DarkBrandon |
“Disaster”?
Come come old bean. A slight smack on the wrist for being asked whether he was ok on an appointment he wasn’t involved in making. |
Indeed. Something that doesn't affect almost anyone's lives, but it has to be "BREAKING NEWS" to keep the news cycle going... | | | |
| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 10:15 - Nov 13 with 1279 views | SomethingBlue |
Disaster? | |
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| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 10:54 - Nov 13 with 1191 views | Cafe_Newman |
What is a DISASTER is the state of our democracy. Since the end of Tony Blair's leadership in June 2007, we have been governed by a PM not elected at the ballot box for 56% of the time until today.
I suspect Starmer won't see out his term in office and will be replaced by someone in a Labour party leadership contest and that figure of 56% is likely to grow.
Every effort is made by the media, party members and other political commentators to present the "uniparty" as some sort of functioning multi-party democracy.
I suspect this post will be down-voted by the sort of "politicos" on here who like to create such an illusion. |  | | |
| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 11:33 - Nov 13 with 1122 views | WD19 |
| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 10:06 - Nov 13 by ElderGrizzly |
Which is exactly what the mainly RW media want you to believe.
They were never going to give them a chance to 'fix' the last 14 years.
It's the equivalent of your kid saying "are we there yet" repeatedly, when we set off 2 minutes ago with 500 miles to go. |
…..except the kid isn’t stupid and has noticed that the parent turned the wrong way when they left the drive and have been going around the same roundabout on the wrong side of town for quite a while now….. | | | |
| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 11:39 - Nov 13 with 1104 views | GlasgowBlue |
| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 10:15 - Nov 13 by SomethingBlue |
Disaster? |
Disaster from a PR point of view. Absolutely. Some small beer, but still a steady drip of avoidable cock ups which make the government appear incompetent and accident prone at best and mildly corrupt at worst.
It started with the appointment of Sue Gray as Starmer’s Chief of Staff. There were suggestions she held talks with Starmer while she was advising cross-party MPs on Boris Johnson’s involvement in party-gate. That dogged her through her short tenure, which ended in acrimony. Sacked twice and shuffled off to the House of Lords.
Then we had the Lord Ali stuff. Where he funded Starmer and his wife’s clothing.
A holiday gifted to Rachel Reeves by now West Midlands Mayor Richard Parker.
£22k worth of Taylor Swift freebies.
Reeves rather embellished CV.
The Louise Haigh Resignation, after revelations of a fraud conviction.
The Anti-Corruption Minister Tulip Siddiq Resignation after an investigation into her over corruption. (Arf!)
Mike Amesbury drunkly kicking the crap out of a constituent on the street late at night.
Health Minister Andrew Gwynn sacked for saying in a WhatsApp group he hoped a pensioner who didn’t vote Labour would die.
Homelessness Minister Rushanara Ali resigned after evicting her tenants before quickly listing her property again at a higher rate.
Deputy Prime Minister and Deputy leader of the Labour Party Angela Rayner resigning over tax avoidance.
Worst of all, the resignation of Peter Mandelson leaked emails revealed his close relationship with ‘best pal’ Jeffrey Epstein.
Rachel Reeves admitting breaking housing rental law.
And here is today’s latest instalment.
No one doubts that Starmer is a decent man. And he shares Theresa May’s one redeeming quality. A sense of public duty. But he has zero political instinct. The Blair government under Jonathan Powell and Alistair Campbell would have sniffed out 90% of the above and dealt with it long before it was in the public domain. | |
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| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 11:41 - Nov 13 with 1096 views | leitrimblue |
Enoughs enough, we need to get Reform in now  |  | | |
| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 12:55 - Nov 13 with 969 views | Clapham_Junction |
| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 10:54 - Nov 13 by Cafe_Newman |
What is a DISASTER is the state of our democracy. Since the end of Tony Blair's leadership in June 2007, we have been governed by a PM not elected at the ballot box for 56% of the time until today.
I suspect Starmer won't see out his term in office and will be replaced by someone in a Labour party leadership contest and that figure of 56% is likely to grow.
Every effort is made by the media, party members and other political commentators to present the "uniparty" as some sort of functioning multi-party democracy.
I suspect this post will be down-voted by the sort of "politicos" on here who like to create such an illusion. |
We're a parliamentary democracy, not a presidential republic. We do not elect a Prime Minister, we elect individual MPs who are then responsible for determining the government. This can change during the course of a parliamentary term. |  | | |
| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 10:30 - Nov 14 with 606 views | GlasgowBlue |
| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 11:39 - Nov 13 by GlasgowBlue |
Disaster from a PR point of view. Absolutely. Some small beer, but still a steady drip of avoidable cock ups which make the government appear incompetent and accident prone at best and mildly corrupt at worst.
It started with the appointment of Sue Gray as Starmer’s Chief of Staff. There were suggestions she held talks with Starmer while she was advising cross-party MPs on Boris Johnson’s involvement in party-gate. That dogged her through her short tenure, which ended in acrimony. Sacked twice and shuffled off to the House of Lords.
Then we had the Lord Ali stuff. Where he funded Starmer and his wife’s clothing.
A holiday gifted to Rachel Reeves by now West Midlands Mayor Richard Parker.
£22k worth of Taylor Swift freebies.
Reeves rather embellished CV.
The Louise Haigh Resignation, after revelations of a fraud conviction.
The Anti-Corruption Minister Tulip Siddiq Resignation after an investigation into her over corruption. (Arf!)
Mike Amesbury drunkly kicking the crap out of a constituent on the street late at night.
Health Minister Andrew Gwynn sacked for saying in a WhatsApp group he hoped a pensioner who didn’t vote Labour would die.
Homelessness Minister Rushanara Ali resigned after evicting her tenants before quickly listing her property again at a higher rate.
Deputy Prime Minister and Deputy leader of the Labour Party Angela Rayner resigning over tax avoidance.
Worst of all, the resignation of Peter Mandelson leaked emails revealed his close relationship with ‘best pal’ Jeffrey Epstein.
Rachel Reeves admitting breaking housing rental law.
And here is today’s latest instalment.
No one doubts that Starmer is a decent man. And he shares Theresa May’s one redeeming quality. A sense of public duty. But he has zero political instinct. The Blair government under Jonathan Powell and Alistair Campbell would have sniffed out 90% of the above and dealt with it long before it was in the public domain. |
So today it's the tax rise u-turn. Gilt yields are already surging across the curve at the market open, with the yield on the 30-year bond up 14 basis points. Yields on bonds of all maturities are up more than 10 basis points.
But they don't stumble from one disaster after another. No sir. | |
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| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 10:39 - Nov 14 with 585 views | ElderGrizzly |
| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 10:30 - Nov 14 by GlasgowBlue |
So today it's the tax rise u-turn. Gilt yields are already surging across the curve at the market open, with the yield on the 30-year bond up 14 basis points. Yields on bonds of all maturities are up more than 10 basis points.
But they don't stumble from one disaster after another. No sir. |
When is it a U-turn and when is it listening to public opinion and further evidence and changing tact?
Evidence this morning from the OBR for example:
"We’re also hearing that the OBR’s fiscal forecasts are better than expected, as result of stronger wage growth and therefore higher tax receipts.
It means Rachel Reeves doesn’t need to put up basic rate of income tax to fill lower than expected fiscal gap"
The leaking (which is normal) is the issue here, rather than changing a policy position which would have not returned the tax income they wanted. [Post edited 14 Nov 10:42]
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| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 10:43 - Nov 14 with 562 views | vapour_trail |
| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 10:39 - Nov 14 by ElderGrizzly |
When is it a U-turn and when is it listening to public opinion and further evidence and changing tact?
Evidence this morning from the OBR for example:
"We’re also hearing that the OBR’s fiscal forecasts are better than expected, as result of stronger wage growth and therefore higher tax receipts.
It means Rachel Reeves doesn’t need to put up basic rate of income tax to fill lower than expected fiscal gap"
The leaking (which is normal) is the issue here, rather than changing a policy position which would have not returned the tax income they wanted. [Post edited 14 Nov 10:42]
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The government resembles an absolute shitshow currently.
Not even sure other opinions are available. |  |
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| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 10:49 - Nov 14 with 537 views | ElderGrizzly |
| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 10:43 - Nov 14 by vapour_trail |
The government resembles an absolute shitshow currently.
Not even sure other opinions are available. |
I agree, they aren't handling a lot of these issues well.
They were never going to be popular, because to fix public services after 14 years of Tory decline was going to cause tax rises.
The fact the Government, with the super-majority they have, hasn't gone after the banks, the richest etc for those taxes rather than tinker around the edges of the working/middle class is a big mistake.
If the Telegraph are squealing about tax, then you know we are probably taxing the right things/people | | | |
| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 11:25 - Nov 14 with 486 views | SomethingBlue |
| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 10:43 - Nov 14 by vapour_trail |
The government resembles an absolute shitshow currently.
Not even sure other opinions are available. |
It certainly does although we were told by most of the right-wing media within about a week of the election that they were the worst government ever so it does feel a bit hard to take a lot of the opprobrium seriously, the narrative was set carefully but loudly from the very start. | |
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| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 11:34 - Nov 14 with 468 views | Herbivore |
| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 11:25 - Nov 14 by SomethingBlue |
It certainly does although we were told by most of the right-wing media within about a week of the election that they were the worst government ever so it does feel a bit hard to take a lot of the opprobrium seriously, the narrative was set carefully but loudly from the very start. |
This is true. The right wing press who spent 14 years blaming anyone but the Tories for the state of the country took a look at the state of the country the day after the election and started blaming Labour for not fixing it. They are on a hiding to nothing in that regard. But they lack the smarts and communication skills to avoid some of the own goals they've been scoring. And they still have no vision and seemingly no plan for what they want to achieve and what kind of country they want the UK to be. Some of the coverage in the first year was ridiculous but in recent months it's been a bit of a car crash from Labour. They seem determined to shoot themselves in the foot and are falling prone to the same infighting and reactive politics in an attempt to maintain their majority that befell the Tories. It's worrying. We saw what happened with the Tories in the end. |  |
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| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 11:53 - Nov 14 with 422 views | lowhouseblue |
| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 11:34 - Nov 14 by Herbivore |
This is true. The right wing press who spent 14 years blaming anyone but the Tories for the state of the country took a look at the state of the country the day after the election and started blaming Labour for not fixing it. They are on a hiding to nothing in that regard. But they lack the smarts and communication skills to avoid some of the own goals they've been scoring. And they still have no vision and seemingly no plan for what they want to achieve and what kind of country they want the UK to be. Some of the coverage in the first year was ridiculous but in recent months it's been a bit of a car crash from Labour. They seem determined to shoot themselves in the foot and are falling prone to the same infighting and reactive politics in an attempt to maintain their majority that befell the Tories. It's worrying. We saw what happened with the Tories in the end. |
the error they have made repeatedly, and the lesson they seem to be refusing to learn, is that economic uncertainty is in and of itself hugely damaging. they delayed the first budget for months and in the meantime released a whole series of unclear and contradictory stories so that by the time the budget came confidence had collapsed. they then backdown on various decisions. and they're doing it all over again - public economic pondering in slow motion is just a disaster. they need a story and to stick to it with certainty - any change to it should then be an unexpected shock not a dribbling months long 'what are we going to do next' head scratch. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 12:28 - Nov 14 with 358 views | Herbivore |
| They do seem to stumble from one disaster to another on 11:53 - Nov 14 by lowhouseblue |
the error they have made repeatedly, and the lesson they seem to be refusing to learn, is that economic uncertainty is in and of itself hugely damaging. they delayed the first budget for months and in the meantime released a whole series of unclear and contradictory stories so that by the time the budget came confidence had collapsed. they then backdown on various decisions. and they're doing it all over again - public economic pondering in slow motion is just a disaster. they need a story and to stick to it with certainty - any change to it should then be an unexpected shock not a dribbling months long 'what are we going to do next' head scratch. |
It feels like the budget has been in the headlines for months. Not that many years ago, nobody really talked about the budget until a week or two beforehand. All of the speculation around it isn't helpful and creates the impression that they don't really know what they are going to do and today's u-turn on tax just serves to confirm that they don't really have a plan. That's disastrous and keeps the economy in a doom spiral. | |
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