| Ogbene 20:25 - Nov 13 with 6896 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
Showing why I was gutted we loaned him out for the entire season.  |  | | |  |
| Ogbene on 17:40 - Nov 14 with 1030 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Ogbene on 22:43 - Nov 13 by WicklowBlue |
Where did I say people are up in arms or going wild?
My post was questioning why it is "an obviously strange situation". I didnt even mention any fees.
Agrees with your last 4 words as we should do with any Town player. |
Implied with "can we all get a bit real here". I wasn't having a pop. Just responding with some thoughts. | |
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| Ogbene on 18:33 - Nov 14 with 991 views | cbower |
| Ogbene on 20:34 - Nov 13 by Kieran_Knows |
Really? I still don’t get the furrow around McKenna sending him out on loan. He hardly set the world alight in those first few games - albeit coming back from a long term injury - and we ended up signing one of the biggest prospects in Europe beating off the likes of Porto, Club Brugge and PSV to his signature.
Think it was perfectly reasonable for him to go out on loan and hopefully perform well enough that he either comes back and does have some role with us, or manage to sell him for similar to what we paid. |
A little disingenuous KK not to mention the signing of McAteer in your post don’t you think?
Walle-Egeli is a very different prospect to Ogbene. McAteer is decidedly more similar. To keep a squad place open for Wes Burns (who in August was still months off game time) whilst sending an £8 million purchase who was closing in on full fitness out on a no recall loan was a very questionable decision to say the least |  |
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| Ogbene on 02:36 - Nov 15 with 897 views | melbs_itfc |
| Ogbene on 13:23 - Nov 14 by AVJones |
The weirdest decision of the summer / the biggest nonsense in terms of how it was explained.
A player we thought good enough to play in PL, paid big money for, lots of experience. Strong, powerful.
Whilst still on the way back to fitness, and not quite there, he was only a few weeks off, not months and months.
And we let him go for the whole season "to re-build fitness"?
Till January, yep, maybe, that would have made sense. Then see how Burns is doing &/or if we need to buy.
But for the whole season? Absolute nonsense, no logic at all. McKenna clearly changed his mind on him. [Post edited 14 Nov 2025 13:25]
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I think it could be entirely possible that after sustaining his serious achilles injury, the medical team may have voiced some doubts whether he would ever get back to his previous level, specifically pace related. Of course I could be wide of the mark, but just a thought. | | | |
| Ogbene on 08:01 - Nov 15 with 833 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Ogbene on 21:03 - Nov 13 by Nutkins_Return |
Why wouldn't he get a game ahead of McAteer? He gets a game ahead of McAteer every single Ireland game.
I'll back and Support Mcateer to progress and improve and become a player for us. But right now it is really odd. We would have £12 million still in our pocket. Leicester may have had to sell Fatawu or in trouble and we would quite arguably have a better option for the here and now in Ogbene.
It is what it is now and Ogbene has had a slow start with Sheffield United. But I'll never really understand that one. |
He wouldn’t get a game because he was coming off the back of a long term injury and I suspect McKenna fancied a ready made player in McAteer who he knew could deal with the demands of the Championship over Ogbene who we didn’t know would fare. The price tag isn’t McAteer’s fault and he’s started to get in to games a little more the past 2-3 games.
I’m very happy with McAteer over Ogbene, and looks like McKenna is too. As others have mentioned, he hardly set the world alight before his injury, he hardly set the world alight after his injury and he’s hardly set the world alight at Shef United. One half decent game against Portugal doesn’t change the fact. |  |
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| Ogbene on 08:08 - Nov 15 with 827 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Ogbene on 18:33 - Nov 14 by cbower |
A little disingenuous KK not to mention the signing of McAteer in your post don’t you think?
Walle-Egeli is a very different prospect to Ogbene. McAteer is decidedly more similar. To keep a squad place open for Wes Burns (who in August was still months off game time) whilst sending an £8 million purchase who was closing in on full fitness out on a no recall loan was a very questionable decision to say the least |
I’ve tried to be subtle, but let’s face it, but it’s not a hard concept is it. McKenna had changed his mind on Ogbene and didn’t fancy him this season. And that’s okay, no hardship in that. Put it down to a bad purchase all round and move on the best we can from it.
As I say, I season of 35/40+ games and hopefully we get a decent return on him. | |
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| Ogbene on 09:18 - Nov 15 with 764 views | AVJones |
| Ogbene on 08:08 - Nov 15 by Kieran_Knows |
I’ve tried to be subtle, but let’s face it, but it’s not a hard concept is it. McKenna had changed his mind on Ogbene and didn’t fancy him this season. And that’s okay, no hardship in that. Put it down to a bad purchase all round and move on the best we can from it.
As I say, I season of 35/40+ games and hopefully we get a decent return on him. |
I completely agree with that, he doesn’t fancy him anymore. Expensive mistake. No idea why you were trying to be subtle!
But it would be better to have him as an option to return in January, rather than not. That remains an odd decision. | | | |
| Ogbene on 09:22 - Nov 15 with 749 views | AVJones |
| Ogbene on 02:36 - Nov 15 by melbs_itfc |
I think it could be entirely possible that after sustaining his serious achilles injury, the medical team may have voiced some doubts whether he would ever get back to his previous level, specifically pace related. Of course I could be wide of the mark, but just a thought. |
Yes, good thought, and highly possible.
Four months would’ve been long enough to find out though, wouldn’t it? | | | |
| Ogbene on 10:02 - Nov 15 with 695 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Ogbene on 08:08 - Nov 15 by Kieran_Knows |
I’ve tried to be subtle, but let’s face it, but it’s not a hard concept is it. McKenna had changed his mind on Ogbene and didn’t fancy him this season. And that’s okay, no hardship in that. Put it down to a bad purchase all round and move on the best we can from it.
As I say, I season of 35/40+ games and hopefully we get a decent return on him. |
I'd agree with that if we hadn't replaced him with mcateer, I don't see that's much of an upgrade.
I did wonder tho could ogbene have had a loan relegation relegation release clause that allowed him to join a club on loan after relegation rather than reducing his wages? no idea if that's a thing but i know some leeds players and nodge i think went on loan following relegations |  |
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| Ogbene on 10:09 - Nov 15 with 677 views | Dubtractor |
| Ogbene on 08:08 - Nov 15 by Kieran_Knows |
I’ve tried to be subtle, but let’s face it, but it’s not a hard concept is it. McKenna had changed his mind on Ogbene and didn’t fancy him this season. And that’s okay, no hardship in that. Put it down to a bad purchase all round and move on the best we can from it.
As I say, I season of 35/40+ games and hopefully we get a decent return on him. |
Yep. We'll see as the season goes on whether McKenna's judgement was right, but it's surely a pretty simple case of moving on a player he's decided he doesn't fancy after all. Mcateer hasn't impressed yet, but it's not exactly unusual for players to take a while to settle into a new team, indeed we've seen it with both Clarke and Philogene. [Post edited 15 Nov 2025 10:15]
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| Ogbene on 10:11 - Nov 15 with 670 views | melbs_itfc |
| Ogbene on 09:22 - Nov 15 by AVJones |
Yes, good thought, and highly possible.
Four months would’ve been long enough to find out though, wouldn’t it? |
Four months may or may not be long enough, I guess it depends. Sometimes after a long term serious injury professional athletes say they don’t feel totally comfortable and fully back to speed - so to speak - for a whole year. Could be just psychological but who knows. | | | |
| Ogbene on 10:40 - Nov 15 with 638 views | AVJones |
| Ogbene on 10:11 - Nov 15 by melbs_itfc |
Four months may or may not be long enough, I guess it depends. Sometimes after a long term serious injury professional athletes say they don’t feel totally comfortable and fully back to speed - so to speak - for a whole year. Could be just psychological but who knows. |
That’s a very fair point.
Arguably Andre Dozzell took several seasons before he was anything like the player he was destined to become as a youth, after his terrible injury. And he probably never became the player he could’ve been. | | | |
| Ogbene on 10:45 - Nov 15 with 631 views | Mookamoo |
Why is no one mentioning the fact that we also have Burns out long term?
The thought of going into a season with both Ogbene and Burns looking for games to get back up to speed, and a young, experienced winger finding his feet?
McAteer was a sensible options, that might have overpaid for, but is so necessary for the balance of the squad. |  | | |
| Ogbene on 12:13 - Nov 15 with 591 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Ogbene on 09:18 - Nov 15 by AVJones |
I completely agree with that, he doesn’t fancy him anymore. Expensive mistake. No idea why you were trying to be subtle!
But it would be better to have him as an option to return in January, rather than not. That remains an odd decision. |
I don’t see the purpose of a January recall, IMHO. As I say, he won’t get games ahead of Egeli and McAteer and Burns returning in the next few weeks. 4 in to 1 just doesn’t go, and that’s saying something considering McKenna loves plenty of forward players! | |
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| Ogbene on 12:16 - Nov 15 with 587 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Ogbene on 10:02 - Nov 15 by FrimleyBlue |
I'd agree with that if we hadn't replaced him with mcateer, I don't see that's much of an upgrade.
I did wonder tho could ogbene have had a loan relegation relegation release clause that allowed him to join a club on loan after relegation rather than reducing his wages? no idea if that's a thing but i know some leeds players and nodge i think went on loan following relegations |
Some players take longer that others to settle though - even Ashton alluded to that in his training ground video. I suspect he was talking about Greaves in that instance - he mentioned signing someone from a Championship club last summer where said player had spent his whole career, coming through their youth teams all the way up to first team.
I actually think McAteer has come in to games a bit more recently, certainly since QPR away so hopefully he’ll kick on now. The price isn’t his fault, and I can imagine it’s taken him time to adjust considering he’s spent his whole career at Leicester. Probably his first move away from home as well.
For me, it’s simple, Ogbene has done nothing to suggest he’s any better than McAteer, whether that’s the games he played last season before injury, the games he played for us since his injury and his loan spell at Shef United. Again, one decent game against Portugal doesn’t really change that. | |
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| Ogbene on 12:18 - Nov 15 with 585 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Ogbene on 09:18 - Nov 15 by AVJones |
I completely agree with that, he doesn’t fancy him anymore. Expensive mistake. No idea why you were trying to be subtle!
But it would be better to have him as an option to return in January, rather than not. That remains an odd decision. |
The only explanation for me is that there was a good deal (from our perspective) if there was no recall clause that wouldn't have been anywhere near as good if there was one. Otherwise it is simply an odd decision to write off the player completely.
You never know whether two out of Egeli, Burns and McAteer end up being unavailable for a long period from late December/early or mid-January and we are then looking to bring in another player instead of recalling Ogbene who will have proved his fitness and form by then (or not in which case we wouldn't recall anyway). |  |
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| Ogbene on 12:49 - Nov 15 with 558 views | Everydayblue |
| Ogbene on 12:16 - Nov 15 by Kieran_Knows |
Some players take longer that others to settle though - even Ashton alluded to that in his training ground video. I suspect he was talking about Greaves in that instance - he mentioned signing someone from a Championship club last summer where said player had spent his whole career, coming through their youth teams all the way up to first team.
I actually think McAteer has come in to games a bit more recently, certainly since QPR away so hopefully he’ll kick on now. The price isn’t his fault, and I can imagine it’s taken him time to adjust considering he’s spent his whole career at Leicester. Probably his first move away from home as well.
For me, it’s simple, Ogbene has done nothing to suggest he’s any better than McAteer, whether that’s the games he played last season before injury, the games he played for us since his injury and his loan spell at Shef United. Again, one decent game against Portugal doesn’t really change that. |
Having now watched the ROI highlights.. I'd say Ogbene was "decent". But that's because Portugal left gaping holes and space for him to exploit. Which suited him.
We don't get that luxury too often in our Championship games. Quite often teams defending deep against us. And most of our "good stuff" has come from the trickery of players like Philogene and Clarke in the final third..And, of late, set pieces... Not to mention there is no Leif Davis on the right hand side to compliment an Ogbene, McCateer or Sindre...
For me, Ogbene would be a useful bench option, for when games opened up and space was available for him to run at... Most likely in games where we were winning in the last 15 minutes or so.
Think there is also a level of etiquette between clubs.. You don't just swipe loanees back unless there is a desperate need... Or in some cases , where a youngster is recalled from, say, a L2 club, in order to get a possible loan at a L1, Champ' club. In order to fast track their progression...
It's just not the done thing to recall senior players mid way through a season.. Perhaps recalls are sometimes put into loan deals, out of respect for the player. To indicate they are not just being kicked out of the club. And if they needed a re set for personal reasons, then they wont feel trapped....?
Should we get promoted? Perhaps our style of play will suit Ogbene more? Meaning that we will , most probably be playing more on the counter, with space in behind.. Who knows?.. But imo, I don't think that his game, necessarily, suits, what we are up against, week in week out, in The Championship. Where we find ourselves needing a bit of trickery and guile, more so, than raw speed.... Just my op'. | | | |
| Ogbene on 15:07 - Nov 15 with 501 views | AVJones |
| Ogbene on 12:16 - Nov 15 by Kieran_Knows |
Some players take longer that others to settle though - even Ashton alluded to that in his training ground video. I suspect he was talking about Greaves in that instance - he mentioned signing someone from a Championship club last summer where said player had spent his whole career, coming through their youth teams all the way up to first team.
I actually think McAteer has come in to games a bit more recently, certainly since QPR away so hopefully he’ll kick on now. The price isn’t his fault, and I can imagine it’s taken him time to adjust considering he’s spent his whole career at Leicester. Probably his first move away from home as well.
For me, it’s simple, Ogbene has done nothing to suggest he’s any better than McAteer, whether that’s the games he played last season before injury, the games he played for us since his injury and his loan spell at Shef United. Again, one decent game against Portugal doesn’t really change that. |
The two new players might have proved themselves to be awful. We had no idea back in August. And either or both of them could’ve got a nasty injury between August and Christmas.
And the injury to Burnsi was very serious. He might not have recovered by Christmas, and he might never recover, in a similar way to Ogbene.
That’s why I would’ve kept Ogbene as an option to come back in January.
However, you have your opinion and I have mine! So I’ll leave this there. Good thread, and good debate. [Post edited 15 Nov 2025 16:05]
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| Ogbene on 15:37 - Nov 15 with 489 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
I have ‘bookmarked’ this thread, as imo many have not watched Ogbene enough, and don’t see his potential for us. We all see things differently, and I concede I may see something that’s not really there. Let’s see what Ogbene is doing in 12 months time.
To be honest, I don’t see him being part of our journey now - he’ll be 29 in 6 months - but I saw enough in him that I thought he could give us something for this season. We’ll now never know, due to the full season loan, which is why I was disappointed. | | | |
| Ogbene on 16:26 - Nov 15 with 466 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Ogbene on 12:13 - Nov 15 by Kieran_Knows |
I don’t see the purpose of a January recall, IMHO. As I say, he won’t get games ahead of Egeli and McAteer and Burns returning in the next few weeks. 4 in to 1 just doesn’t go, and that’s saying something considering McKenna loves plenty of forward players! |
I just don't see how you can say that like it's so obvious. in an argument of who is the better player right now between Ogbene and Mcateer it's actually difficult to make an argument for Mcateer. (Longer term I did hope Mcateer can surpass Ogbene but that is also a big if).
If the switch was just Ogbene out and Egeli in (And say Burns had been fit the whole time) then the transfer makes sense. But right now Mcateer for Ogbene hasnt worked.
Mainly by virtue of the fact it's happened now and nothing w can do we just have to crack on and get behind Mcateer. | |
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| Ogbene on 16:50 - Nov 15 with 446 views | ReusersTown |
| Ogbene on 12:22 - Nov 14 by portmanking |
Nailed it. If you're sitting back and looking to catch teams cold on the break, Ogbene is fine.
If you want to control games and are likely to face mid and low blocks most weeks, he's rendered almost useless. |
Which is also why we bought him for the Prem, not the Championship. | | | |
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