| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue 09:30 - Nov 25 with 3492 views | Bent_double |
If this analysis is correct, then wow, thanks brexiteers, way to go.
Maybe there should be a new tax, just for those who voted leave, to make up the shortfall?
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| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 09:38 - Nov 25 with 2461 views | FromReuserWithLove |
yeh but "got are country back!" Back like the 70s with blackouts etc. |  | | |
| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 10:04 - Nov 25 with 2360 views | reusersfreekicks |
Excellent idea |  | | |
| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 10:04 - Nov 25 with 2365 views | MattinLondon |
It’s all well and good saying that brexit has cost the country so much but if you voted for leave, live in a dump and live day-to-day, what has leaving the EU actually costs that individual?
That person would probably think ‘so what and that that money would simply have gone to nice middle class areas with nice schools and nice places to eat.
Leaving the EU was a ridiculous and stupid thing to do but I think a lot of people voted to leave simply because they look around and see that no one really cares about them.
Instead of stating the huge sums of money which brexit has cost the country, if a politician were to state that if the country rejoined the EU or the single market, the cost of living would go down for the individual then that would resonate more.
But Labour, despite knowing how foolish Brexit was, and still is, do not seem prepared to upset the hardcore Brexit mob. |  | | |
| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 10:21 - Nov 25 with 2319 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Yeah, but, what about our sovereignty.
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| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 10:38 - Nov 25 with 2238 views | Ralphinho |
Yeah, I was researching this the other day - LSE, Cambridge and Oxford estimate around 2-6% of GDP, meaning a loss of between £70B-£210B...
I voted remain and held a strong distaste for Brexiteers over the years, (rightly or, more likely, wrongly) writing them off as racists and downright stupid, for voting to remove us from the largest trading bloc in the world (which is a mere 21 miles away).
My view on that has softened immensely, having heard the remorse a lot of Brexiteers now hold for that foolish decision, factoring in that the population was blatantly and undeniably lied to on a wholesale scale. Its one of the main reasons there is such a lack of faith in politics. On that basis, I have forgiven those who willingly voted to make us all worse off and isolate our country further.
However, on the flip side to this, I have absolutely zero forgiveness (or patience) for those who continue to support one of the main advocates for Brexit, Nigel Farage. That, to my mind, is unforgivable and worthy of contempt.
He is a grifter who disappeared into the night after leading the country into an unparalleled act of self-harm. He now says its not the brexit he would have delivered, which is nothing more than a convenient excuse considering that he did not stick around to campaign for the best outcomes for the country he claims to care so dearly about.
Lets not forget that a key pillar of Reform's campaign is based on the small boats crisis. It is a crisis, there is no denying it. It is a crisis that has only existed since Brexit, as we previously had the right to return migrants to the first safe country they reached (otherwise known as the Dublin Agreement/Regulations). It is a crisis which costs the UK £3B a year.... £67B-£207B less than the amount we have lost through Brexiting....
Average Joe on the street may not *THINK* it affects them, but it affects everyone living here. [Post edited 25 Nov 2025 10:41]
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| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 10:43 - Nov 25 with 2204 views | Guthrum |
| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 10:04 - Nov 25 by MattinLondon |
It’s all well and good saying that brexit has cost the country so much but if you voted for leave, live in a dump and live day-to-day, what has leaving the EU actually costs that individual?
That person would probably think ‘so what and that that money would simply have gone to nice middle class areas with nice schools and nice places to eat.
Leaving the EU was a ridiculous and stupid thing to do but I think a lot of people voted to leave simply because they look around and see that no one really cares about them.
Instead of stating the huge sums of money which brexit has cost the country, if a politician were to state that if the country rejoined the EU or the single market, the cost of living would go down for the individual then that would resonate more.
But Labour, despite knowing how foolish Brexit was, and still is, do not seem prepared to upset the hardcore Brexit mob. |
South Wales, an area which voted strongly for Brexit, is littered with signs showing the infrastructure and facilities built with EU money. The benefits were always in plain sight.
As for rejoining the EU, it's not a practical proposition. All the carefully-negotiated exemptions and opt-outs are gone. We'd almost certainly have to join the Euro (economically not helpful). There are those within the Union who would want to exact every ounce of a pound of flesh for what we said and did to them. Spain might block us over Gibraltar. Hungary might veto just to be annoying (and get brownie points with Putin).
Would it be worth the political and public row? Especially at a time when the government is feeling fragile. Better to continue down the route they have been, of steadily rebuilding links and agreements, without dramatic headlines to set the press off. |  |
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| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 10:47 - Nov 25 with 2179 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 10:38 - Nov 25 by Ralphinho |
Yeah, I was researching this the other day - LSE, Cambridge and Oxford estimate around 2-6% of GDP, meaning a loss of between £70B-£210B...
I voted remain and held a strong distaste for Brexiteers over the years, (rightly or, more likely, wrongly) writing them off as racists and downright stupid, for voting to remove us from the largest trading bloc in the world (which is a mere 21 miles away).
My view on that has softened immensely, having heard the remorse a lot of Brexiteers now hold for that foolish decision, factoring in that the population was blatantly and undeniably lied to on a wholesale scale. Its one of the main reasons there is such a lack of faith in politics. On that basis, I have forgiven those who willingly voted to make us all worse off and isolate our country further.
However, on the flip side to this, I have absolutely zero forgiveness (or patience) for those who continue to support one of the main advocates for Brexit, Nigel Farage. That, to my mind, is unforgivable and worthy of contempt.
He is a grifter who disappeared into the night after leading the country into an unparalleled act of self-harm. He now says its not the brexit he would have delivered, which is nothing more than a convenient excuse considering that he did not stick around to campaign for the best outcomes for the country he claims to care so dearly about.
Lets not forget that a key pillar of Reform's campaign is based on the small boats crisis. It is a crisis, there is no denying it. It is a crisis that has only existed since Brexit, as we previously had the right to return migrants to the first safe country they reached (otherwise known as the Dublin Agreement/Regulations). It is a crisis which costs the UK £3B a year.... £67B-£207B less than the amount we have lost through Brexiting....
Average Joe on the street may not *THINK* it affects them, but it affects everyone living here. [Post edited 25 Nov 2025 10:41]
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You correctly point out Farage here, but fail to mention David Cameron, who put the future of our country in the hands of the electorate, (an electorate that by definition 50% are of below average intelligence), only in order to save his own job from a handful of Tory backbenchers. | |
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| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 10:52 - Nov 25 with 2170 views | Guthrum |
| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 10:38 - Nov 25 by Ralphinho |
Yeah, I was researching this the other day - LSE, Cambridge and Oxford estimate around 2-6% of GDP, meaning a loss of between £70B-£210B...
I voted remain and held a strong distaste for Brexiteers over the years, (rightly or, more likely, wrongly) writing them off as racists and downright stupid, for voting to remove us from the largest trading bloc in the world (which is a mere 21 miles away).
My view on that has softened immensely, having heard the remorse a lot of Brexiteers now hold for that foolish decision, factoring in that the population was blatantly and undeniably lied to on a wholesale scale. Its one of the main reasons there is such a lack of faith in politics. On that basis, I have forgiven those who willingly voted to make us all worse off and isolate our country further.
However, on the flip side to this, I have absolutely zero forgiveness (or patience) for those who continue to support one of the main advocates for Brexit, Nigel Farage. That, to my mind, is unforgivable and worthy of contempt.
He is a grifter who disappeared into the night after leading the country into an unparalleled act of self-harm. He now says its not the brexit he would have delivered, which is nothing more than a convenient excuse considering that he did not stick around to campaign for the best outcomes for the country he claims to care so dearly about.
Lets not forget that a key pillar of Reform's campaign is based on the small boats crisis. It is a crisis, there is no denying it. It is a crisis that has only existed since Brexit, as we previously had the right to return migrants to the first safe country they reached (otherwise known as the Dublin Agreement/Regulations). It is a crisis which costs the UK £3B a year.... £67B-£207B less than the amount we have lost through Brexiting....
Average Joe on the street may not *THINK* it affects them, but it affects everyone living here. [Post edited 25 Nov 2025 10:41]
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Nobody knew what they were voting for.
Not so much lies, but that Brexit was pretty much undefined before the Referendum - and for some time afterwards. The fact that we were still debating what form it would take nearly three and a half years later (while the foolishly-started clock was ticking down to zero) is truly bizarre. Negotiations as a result were haphazard and the final "deal" a cobbled-together shambles, full of loose ends.
I'm far angrier about the way Brexit was enacted (if you want to dignify it with a word implying any structure or conscious intent) than the original decision. | |
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| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 10:53 - Nov 25 with 2160 views | Keno |
thats ok, with the £350mill a per week Boris said we'd save we are still better off |  |
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| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 11:41 - Nov 25 with 2026 views | Pinewoodblue |
It really is time to stop blaming those who voted for Brexit.
The people who should be blamed are those who didn’t bother to vote.
A breakdown of who voted, published in Guardian back in the day
The results found that 64% of those young people who were registered did vote, rising to 65% among 25-to-39-year-olds and 66% among those aged between 40 and 54. It increased to 74% among the 55-to-64 age group and 90% for those aged 65 and over.
Responsibility for the result lies with the age groups most affected by the outcome. |  |
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| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 11:41 - Nov 25 with 2032 views | Prominent_Blue |
So we just discount the £9bn we no longer have to pay to Europe since we left ? Thank goodness we never joined the Euro either. Who knows where our interest rates and ability to control our own finances would be now. |  | | |
| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 11:51 - Nov 25 with 1972 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 11:41 - Nov 25 by Prominent_Blue |
So we just discount the £9bn we no longer have to pay to Europe since we left ? Thank goodness we never joined the Euro either. Who knows where our interest rates and ability to control our own finances would be now. |
We'd be a helluva lot better off if we had joined the Euro (and Schengen). For the jingoistic, we could even have negotiated keeping the monarch's head on our coins.
We are in a total mess, economically and at a societal level. Brexit fixed nothing, it deepened the divide. It removed opportunities, emboldened the racists and the thick and gullible.
I remain angry that people were lied to, but equally it was pretty clear that was the case at the time. To anyone who could be bothered to find out for themselves. | | | |
| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 11:55 - Nov 25 with 1946 views | RadioOrwell |
That's literally the amount that was predicted Pre Referendum.
But experts or something. |  | | |
| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 11:57 - Nov 25 with 1931 views | RadioOrwell |
| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 11:41 - Nov 25 by Prominent_Blue |
So we just discount the £9bn we no longer have to pay to Europe since we left ? Thank goodness we never joined the Euro either. Who knows where our interest rates and ability to control our own finances would be now. |
Not an expert but 90 > 9 | | | |
| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 11:58 - Nov 25 with 1923 views | Kievthegreat |
| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 11:41 - Nov 25 by Prominent_Blue |
So we just discount the £9bn we no longer have to pay to Europe since we left ? Thank goodness we never joined the Euro either. Who knows where our interest rates and ability to control our own finances would be now. |
Firstly, £90bn - £9bn is still over £80bn, so still pissing money down the drain.
Secondly, while your point about the Euro is pointless because you've introduced an extra scenario no-one was talking about on top of the existing hypothetical, our interest rates would be 2% as that is the ECB's base rate. |  | | |
| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 11:59 - Nov 25 with 1910 views | bsw72 |
| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 11:41 - Nov 25 by Pinewoodblue |
It really is time to stop blaming those who voted for Brexit.
The people who should be blamed are those who didn’t bother to vote.
A breakdown of who voted, published in Guardian back in the day
The results found that 64% of those young people who were registered did vote, rising to 65% among 25-to-39-year-olds and 66% among those aged between 40 and 54. It increased to 74% among the 55-to-64 age group and 90% for those aged 65 and over.
Responsibility for the result lies with the age groups most affected by the outcome. |
Explain how those choosing not to vote are more accountable to be blamed than those who did vote to leave.
I understand the sentiment, but cannot see how that can be argued. |  | | |
| Only one part of the picture… on 12:01 - Nov 25 with 1900 views | iaijn |
Now our bananas (or was it cucumbers?) can go back to being curved (or was it straight?).
Something which BentDouble singularly fails to point out, perhaps because it doesn't quite fit in with his blinkered view of the world. |  | | |
| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 12:15 - Nov 25 with 1813 views | J2BLUE |
'wow, thanks brexiteers, way to go.'
You're too kind, thank you. |  |
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| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 12:32 - Nov 25 with 1741 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 11:59 - Nov 25 by bsw72 |
Explain how those choosing not to vote are more accountable to be blamed than those who did vote to leave.
I understand the sentiment, but cannot see how that can be argued. |
It can no more be argued than blaming those who voted for Brexit.
If however those under forty had voted in the same numbers as their elders the result would have different.
Unintentional down vote , was curious as to who gave you an uppy | |
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| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 12:54 - Nov 25 with 1659 views | OldFart71 |
People can come up with whatever figures they like. Virtually every day the Tories will say Labour are costing us x amount of pounds. Labour will point to the covid pandemic and say it cost us another x amount.
How often are these figures correct ? Hardly ever and because neither a large swathe of Tories and Labour didn't want Brexit and in Camerons case didn't think the vote would go that way.
This Country needs to stop wallowing in if's and butts, pull its socks up and work it's way out of the mess it's in. Stop throwing money at things and sort out the waste that goes on within departments. | | | |
| Only one part of the picture… on 12:58 - Nov 25 with 1638 views | Bent_double |
| Only one part of the picture… on 12:01 - Nov 25 by iaijn |
Now our bananas (or was it cucumbers?) can go back to being curved (or was it straight?).
Something which BentDouble singularly fails to point out, perhaps because it doesn't quite fit in with his blinkered view of the world. |
You're absolutely right. I feel so ashamed. | |
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| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 13:07 - Nov 25 with 1603 views | mellowblue |
| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 10:38 - Nov 25 by Ralphinho |
Yeah, I was researching this the other day - LSE, Cambridge and Oxford estimate around 2-6% of GDP, meaning a loss of between £70B-£210B...
I voted remain and held a strong distaste for Brexiteers over the years, (rightly or, more likely, wrongly) writing them off as racists and downright stupid, for voting to remove us from the largest trading bloc in the world (which is a mere 21 miles away).
My view on that has softened immensely, having heard the remorse a lot of Brexiteers now hold for that foolish decision, factoring in that the population was blatantly and undeniably lied to on a wholesale scale. Its one of the main reasons there is such a lack of faith in politics. On that basis, I have forgiven those who willingly voted to make us all worse off and isolate our country further.
However, on the flip side to this, I have absolutely zero forgiveness (or patience) for those who continue to support one of the main advocates for Brexit, Nigel Farage. That, to my mind, is unforgivable and worthy of contempt.
He is a grifter who disappeared into the night after leading the country into an unparalleled act of self-harm. He now says its not the brexit he would have delivered, which is nothing more than a convenient excuse considering that he did not stick around to campaign for the best outcomes for the country he claims to care so dearly about.
Lets not forget that a key pillar of Reform's campaign is based on the small boats crisis. It is a crisis, there is no denying it. It is a crisis that has only existed since Brexit, as we previously had the right to return migrants to the first safe country they reached (otherwise known as the Dublin Agreement/Regulations). It is a crisis which costs the UK £3B a year.... £67B-£207B less than the amount we have lost through Brexiting....
Average Joe on the street may not *THINK* it affects them, but it affects everyone living here. [Post edited 25 Nov 2025 10:41]
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If in a parallel world we were still in the E.U and were generating that 70-210 billion annually, would that actually be enough to generate 90 billion annually? I hardly think so. Currently the UK government collect roughly 39% of UK GDP. Which gives a range of 27-81 billion. | | | |
| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 13:10 - Nov 25 with 1583 views | StokieBlue |
Just imagine how many immigrants we could have afforded if we had stayed.
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| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 13:12 - Nov 25 with 1571 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 11:41 - Nov 25 by Pinewoodblue |
It really is time to stop blaming those who voted for Brexit.
The people who should be blamed are those who didn’t bother to vote.
A breakdown of who voted, published in Guardian back in the day
The results found that 64% of those young people who were registered did vote, rising to 65% among 25-to-39-year-olds and 66% among those aged between 40 and 54. It increased to 74% among the 55-to-64 age group and 90% for those aged 65 and over.
Responsibility for the result lies with the age groups most affected by the outcome. |
What weird logic | | | |
| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 13:13 - Nov 25 with 1569 views | Guthrum |
| Brexit loses upto £90b a year in tax revenue on 12:54 - Nov 25 by OldFart71 |
People can come up with whatever figures they like. Virtually every day the Tories will say Labour are costing us x amount of pounds. Labour will point to the covid pandemic and say it cost us another x amount.
How often are these figures correct ? Hardly ever and because neither a large swathe of Tories and Labour didn't want Brexit and in Camerons case didn't think the vote would go that way.
This Country needs to stop wallowing in if's and butts, pull its socks up and work it's way out of the mess it's in. Stop throwing money at things and sort out the waste that goes on within departments. |
On the other hand, people dream up figures for how much financial waste there supposedly is by government departments, as if that's a magical solution to the country's problems. With the unrealistic addendum that the private sector is somehow less wasteful.
Whereas, in reality, everything has simply got much more expensive. Largely because we've been wallowing in cheap Russian gas. Like we did with oil before the 1970s and coal before that. Those sources are never coming back.
The solution is to restore cheap energy. It's already on the table. The sun shines and the wind blows for free. It's no coincidence the Chinese are plunging into it with gusto. The UK is particularly well positioned for offshore wind. That is what we need to work on. | |
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