| January additions 18:53 - Nov 29 with 2281 views | Illinoisblue |
Lisbie from Colchester. We need players with something to prove, who have some hunger and desire. |  |
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| January additions on 18:55 - Nov 29 with 2094 views | J2BLUE |
Oh come on. Not this again. Do you really think our players now don't have hunger and desire?
The last thing we need is signings like that. We need instant impact if we make signings. |  |
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| January additions on 19:06 - Nov 29 with 2019 views | Illinoisblue |
| January additions on 18:55 - Nov 29 by J2BLUE |
Oh come on. Not this again. Do you really think our players now don't have hunger and desire?
The last thing we need is signings like that. We need instant impact if we make signings. |
Eh? Our two promotions were built on buying exactly that kind of player. We’ve spent close to 50 million pounds on our right side on “impact players” and not one has yet come close to being as good as Burns, a 500k signing from Fleetwood .
Weirdly arrogant to dismiss players from the lower leagues. | |
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| January additions on 19:09 - Nov 29 with 1997 views | J2BLUE |
| January additions on 19:06 - Nov 29 by Illinoisblue |
Eh? Our two promotions were built on buying exactly that kind of player. We’ve spent close to 50 million pounds on our right side on “impact players” and not one has yet come close to being as good as Burns, a 500k signing from Fleetwood .
Weirdly arrogant to dismiss players from the lower leagues. |
I'm not dismissing anyone. There's a time and place though isn't there? Just don't think this is the time. Not sure if you are suggesting we lack hunger and desire but that isn't true IMO. | |
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| January additions on 19:16 - Nov 29 with 1953 views | JeanManuelThetis |
| January additions on 19:06 - Nov 29 by Illinoisblue |
Eh? Our two promotions were built on buying exactly that kind of player. We’ve spent close to 50 million pounds on our right side on “impact players” and not one has yet come close to being as good as Burns, a 500k signing from Fleetwood .
Weirdly arrogant to dismiss players from the lower leagues. |
How many of our promotion team were from the league below? I can only think of Burns, Burgess and Hladký. They key players of Morsy, Chaplin, Hirst, Davis and Broadhead were all big coups from championship teams.
Much harder to do that from PL to Championship. [Post edited 29 Nov 19:16]
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| January additions on 19:26 - Nov 29 with 1872 views | Nutkins_Return |
Yes, I think a guy with 6 league goals two divisions below us is the way to go. Come on. That would very very likely be very very poor business. He's done way less than Al Hamadi at the same level.
It wasn't how our success was built. Our success was actually built signing quality from the division above or higher (in L1: Broadhead, Hirst, Chaplin, Morsy, Davis, Walton, Clarke, Luongo etc. In the Champ we looked to do similar: Tuanzebe, Moore, Williams, Omari, Sarmiento).
You could argue where we have signed more from below we have had much less success. In the prem we signed lots from the champ and were relegated. [Post edited 29 Nov 21:47]
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| January additions on 19:44 - Nov 29 with 1785 views | Illinoisblue |
| January additions on 19:26 - Nov 29 by Nutkins_Return |
Yes, I think a guy with 6 league goals two divisions below us is the way to go. Come on. That would very very likely be very very poor business. He's done way less than Al Hamadi at the same level.
It wasn't how our success was built. Our success was actually built signing quality from the division above or higher (in L1: Broadhead, Hirst, Chaplin, Morsy, Davis, Walton, Clarke, Luongo etc. In the Champ we looked to do similar: Tuanzebe, Moore, Williams, Omari, Sarmiento).
You could argue where we have signed more from below we have had much less success. In the prem we signed lots from the champ and were relegated. [Post edited 29 Nov 21:47]
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Not to get too bogged down in stats but Burns scored 1 in 9 for Fleetwood, why did we ever sign him?
My broader point was, let’s chuck a million or two at some lower league players and see if we can strike gold. | |
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| January additions on 19:48 - Nov 29 with 1764 views | Smoresy |
I took this to be a jokey comment at first but it turns out Kevin is 47. 
For my money it's ability and suitability that we need. We're okay for desire, not totally okay for confidence. If Kyreece doesn't have top Championship ability right now he'd become an instant boo boy, filling the Al-Hamadi void. | | | |
| January additions on 19:52 - Nov 29 with 1723 views | Pinewoodblue |
| January additions on 19:44 - Nov 29 by Illinoisblue |
Not to get too bogged down in stats but Burns scored 1 in 9 for Fleetwood, why did we ever sign him?
My broader point was, let’s chuck a million or two at some lower league players and see if we can strike gold. |
Humphreys & Baggott don’t get a chance to show what they can do competitively what makes you a signing from a lower league would. |  |
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| January additions on 19:54 - Nov 29 with 1711 views | J2BLUE |
| January additions on 19:44 - Nov 29 by Illinoisblue |
Not to get too bogged down in stats but Burns scored 1 in 9 for Fleetwood, why did we ever sign him?
My broader point was, let’s chuck a million or two at some lower league players and see if we can strike gold. |
That's fair enough. I don't think my reply was taken how it was meant.
I think any signings we make will be players we have wanted for a while like Hackney although while they keep winning and we are outside the top two that looks increasingly unrealistic.
Maybe the Uruguay CB | |
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| January additions on 19:56 - Nov 29 with 1679 views | FrimleyBlue |
Even if we dont drop down a league. We have players in the u21s playing against top quality prem youngsters.. they've surely got a chance of being useful in this league.
Boniface. Mendel etc |  |
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| January additions on 20:27 - Nov 29 with 1508 views | WestSussexBlue |
| January additions on 19:44 - Nov 29 by Illinoisblue |
Not to get too bogged down in stats but Burns scored 1 in 9 for Fleetwood, why did we ever sign him?
My broader point was, let’s chuck a million or two at some lower league players and see if we can strike gold. |
I think the MA and Kmc process of signing players is somewhat more thorough than “chuck 1 or 2 million on a player and hope we strike gold”! | | | |
| January additions on 20:38 - Nov 29 with 1425 views | Swansea_Blue |
| January additions on 19:48 - Nov 29 by Smoresy |
I took this to be a jokey comment at first but it turns out Kevin is 47.
For my money it's ability and suitability that we need. We're okay for desire, not totally okay for confidence. If Kyreece doesn't have top Championship ability right now he'd become an instant boo boy, filling the Al-Hamadi void. |
I was wondering if Illy had completely lost the plot and missed the last 20 years lol |  |
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| January additions on 20:39 - Nov 29 with 1425 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| January additions on 20:27 - Nov 29 by WestSussexBlue |
I think the MA and Kmc process of signing players is somewhat more thorough than “chuck 1 or 2 million on a player and hope we strike gold”! |
Yeah they do it with 12M as well! ;) |  |
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| January additions on 20:40 - Nov 29 with 1408 views | billlm |
| January additions on 19:54 - Nov 29 by J2BLUE |
That's fair enough. I don't think my reply was taken how it was meant.
I think any signings we make will be players we have wanted for a while like Hackney although while they keep winning and we are outside the top two that looks increasingly unrealistic.
Maybe the Uruguay CB |
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| January additions on 20:42 - Nov 29 with 1396 views | 66notout |
| January additions on 20:27 - Nov 29 by WestSussexBlue |
I think the MA and Kmc process of signing players is somewhat more thorough than “chuck 1 or 2 million on a player and hope we strike gold”! |
You’re spot-on. It’s more like chucking £10 - £15 million at it and hoping. Sadly, with the players we have signed we have no chance of recouping anywhere near half of what they cost. | | | |
| January additions on 20:44 - Nov 29 with 1378 views | waveneyblue |
Jesus Christ.
So we can slag him off when he doesn't make the grade ?
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| January additions on 20:56 - Nov 29 with 1340 views | Illinoisblue |
| January additions on 20:44 - Nov 29 by waveneyblue |
Jesus Christ.
So we can slag him off when he doesn't make the grade ?
Desperate |
Why are you always so negative? | |
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| January additions on 21:03 - Nov 29 with 1292 views | Denny32 |
| January additions on 20:56 - Nov 29 by Illinoisblue |
Why are you always so negative? |
Go away you clown..... | | | |
| January additions on 21:20 - Nov 29 with 1241 views | PioneerBlue |
| January additions on 19:26 - Nov 29 by Nutkins_Return |
Yes, I think a guy with 6 league goals two divisions below us is the way to go. Come on. That would very very likely be very very poor business. He's done way less than Al Hamadi at the same level.
It wasn't how our success was built. Our success was actually built signing quality from the division above or higher (in L1: Broadhead, Hirst, Chaplin, Morsy, Davis, Walton, Clarke, Luongo etc. In the Champ we looked to do similar: Tuanzebe, Moore, Williams, Omari, Sarmiento).
You could argue where we have signed more from below we have had much less success. In the prem we signed lots from the champ and were relegated. [Post edited 29 Nov 21:47]
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When Hurst signed players from the leagues below we were also subsequently relegated and at the time i was quite happy turning over the old guard, it didnt work in the whole sale way it was done. Timing and place is critical. In a situation like we are in now you could pick up a talented youngster or players who’s been through the system but had to drop down to build game experience. You’d do that with very few in number because the squad couldn’t take it, you then have to consider how outsiders to the elite academy system would fit in to what we have now. | |
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| January additions on 21:54 - Nov 29 with 1156 views | Nutkins_Return |
| January additions on 19:44 - Nov 29 by Illinoisblue |
Not to get too bogged down in stats but Burns scored 1 in 9 for Fleetwood, why did we ever sign him?
My broader point was, let’s chuck a million or two at some lower league players and see if we can strike gold. |
Burns was a proven very effective player in the same division (not an unproven player two divisions below). He had a good goal scoring record in the recent years having played a fair bit of football at righback in his earlier time there.
We shouldn't be "chucking" money at anything in the hope we strike gold. We shouldn't be spending money very wisely based on solid data, scouting and tracking.
Azon is a much better version of what you are asking in many ways. He's going to need some patience though. We already have Humphreys in the building who performed very well a league above Lisbie. He can't get a game because the champ is levels above. I hope he does force his way in mind.
The problem is you have a 25 man squad. You can't gamble with those places.
Also we've been essentially looking to strike gold with the lads we've signed into the u21s and there is money gone into that. Much bigger prospects then Lisbie. | |
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| January additions on 22:02 - Nov 29 with 1114 views | bournemouthblue |
| January additions on 19:52 - Nov 29 by Pinewoodblue |
Humphreys & Baggott don’t get a chance to show what they can do competitively what makes you a signing from a lower league would. |
because they're not Humph or Baggott?
Both will be good league players I suspect but really need game time
If we are signing a lower league player, they do need to be a star. Colwill from Cardiff would be a good example of that, he has a high shelf.
AAH came in with confidence and added something
Cadamarteri at Wednesday could be interesting if Wednesday are looking to cut some losses, not that he looks like he is getting a tonne of goals
Obviously Kone went to QPR, the other striker there seems promising, Burrell seems promising? |  |
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| January additions on 22:51 - Nov 29 with 994 views | itfcsuth |
Have seen him 4/5 times this year - he’s a long way away from Championship player, especially if you want to be competing at the top end.
But he is developing, he’s young, raw and exciting, and has a lot of good attributes - would imagine he will make the step up to L1 next year though. |  | | |
| January additions on 23:17 - Nov 29 with 909 views | Illinoisblue |
| January additions on 21:54 - Nov 29 by Nutkins_Return |
Burns was a proven very effective player in the same division (not an unproven player two divisions below). He had a good goal scoring record in the recent years having played a fair bit of football at righback in his earlier time there.
We shouldn't be "chucking" money at anything in the hope we strike gold. We shouldn't be spending money very wisely based on solid data, scouting and tracking.
Azon is a much better version of what you are asking in many ways. He's going to need some patience though. We already have Humphreys in the building who performed very well a league above Lisbie. He can't get a game because the champ is levels above. I hope he does force his way in mind.
The problem is you have a 25 man squad. You can't gamble with those places.
Also we've been essentially looking to strike gold with the lads we've signed into the u21s and there is money gone into that. Much bigger prospects then Lisbie. |
We chucked a lot of money at Mcateer, both in fee and wages. Early signs suggest that’s not going to be a great deal. We could argue until Xmas about transfers but whatever, the outcome is an unbalanced squad that is yet to really click. | |
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| January additions on 14:11 - Nov 30 with 568 views | Sharkey |
| January additions on 22:51 - Nov 29 by itfcsuth |
Have seen him 4/5 times this year - he’s a long way away from Championship player, especially if you want to be competing at the top end.
But he is developing, he’s young, raw and exciting, and has a lot of good attributes - would imagine he will make the step up to L1 next year though. |
Agreed.
I think you'll agree if you've seen him too, his pal Micah Mbick is certainly not a long way from a Championship player, and looks ready now even though he's only just turned 19. Another beautiful goal yesterday. Sadly for Colchester, he's Charlton's to recall. |  | | |
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