| Quite suprised by KM really 21:53 - Dec 5 with 3318 views | FrimleyBlue |
First real tough time hes had at town and first time theres been perhaps 10% of a gambase having a moan and hes beginning the mick Mccarthy its the fans fault direction and that never ends well.
Im suprised hes gone this route. Only results and performances will change people's minds. He knows this. He himself only a few months ago said the players are the ones who have to get the fans to love them.
KM also knows the type of football the fans want. They spoke about it again at the fans forum. Lately its been walking football. So the heat is either on the players because they're not doing what im asks so then he can't bemoan fans reactions. Or he holds his hands up and takes the can so that the fans then know its not on the players its the managers instructions and the fans can then try and understand and appreciate what the plan is. Otherwise it is simply a squad of very expensively put together walking around a pitch when we are used to so more effort.
Anyways. He hasn't said anything wrong. Im not going that far with it. Hes come across well in how's he said it. But im just surprised hes going the fan route when its never a positive path when ever a manager does it
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| Quite suprised by KM really on 21:55 - Dec 5 with 2855 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
It is not remotely comparable to MM. At all. |  |
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| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:01 - Dec 5 with 2727 views | ArnieM |
I think its similar tbh. He doesn't like to be challenged about his approach. Nor did McCarthy. He seems a little bit sensitive about fans questioning the efforts of the players and himself,so did McCarthy. He's already accused the fans projecting a " difficult atmosphere" at a recent home game. McCarthy also projected / apportionment " blame" on fans .. .. |  |
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| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:05 - Dec 5 with 2665 views | SomethingBlue |
Where has he said it is the fans' fault?
Although maybe he'd have a point – because the weird and surely wilful failure of people to engage in primary school levels of comprehension, instead bending pretty simple and mundane things to their own thirst for scandal and drama, never ends well at all. [Post edited 5 Dec 22:06]
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| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:10 - Dec 5 with 2593 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:05 - Dec 5 by SomethingBlue |
Where has he said it is the fans' fault?
Although maybe he'd have a point – because the weird and surely wilful failure of people to engage in primary school levels of comprehension, instead bending pretty simple and mundane things to their own thirst for scandal and drama, never ends well at all. [Post edited 5 Dec 22:06]
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Going down the route of...
Few weeks ago the fans caused an atmosphere
Today its something else.
Whats coming up in an few weeks if things havent improved... | |
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| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:12 - Dec 5 with 2553 views | SomethingBlue |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:10 - Dec 5 by FrimleyBlue |
Going down the route of...
Few weeks ago the fans caused an atmosphere
Today its something else.
Whats coming up in an few weeks if things havent improved... |
What's coming up is continued cherry-picking to feed people's sad but very modern addiction to the outrageous, while ignoring what is actually written or said. | |
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| As I wrote on the other thread, earlier on 22:12 - Dec 5 with 2546 views | Guthrum |
Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase by Guthrum 5 Dec 17:36I'm not sure McKenna is so much p*ssed off with the fanbase, as concerned at the effect the prevailing mood-change could have (maybe is having) upon the players and the matchday atmosphere.
The fragility of supporter morale - from the high of finally beating Norwich to the plunge initiated by Oxford - can easily infect those on the pitch. Lack of raucous driving the team on, as we notably had during the promotion seasons. Players become more cautious, afraid to make mistakes and draw annoyance from the stands. Or get rid of the ball with more rapidity than care. Grumbling begets grumbling as negative play is reinforced by poor results.
It's not so much criticising as fighting to retain (regain?) a valuable element which helped propel us upward. With the team not yet firing consistently, Town need all the help we can get. Think of it in terms of a rallying cry, not McCarthy shouting "Fck off" at the fans.
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| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:15 - Dec 5 with 2458 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
So essentially you're saying that he said something wrong but hasn't said anything wrong? |  |
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| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:15 - Dec 5 with 2471 views | Chris_ITFC |
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| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:20 - Dec 5 with 2417 views | Nutkins_Return |
What unbelievable hyperbole. Why you trying to make blow this up into something that it isn't?!
Such an odd post to say all that and then the "anyways. Hasn't said anything wrong". Baffling. | |
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| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:21 - Dec 5 with 2416 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:12 - Dec 5 by SomethingBlue |
What's coming up is continued cherry-picking to feed people's sad but very modern addiction to the outrageous, while ignoring what is actually written or said. |
You're entitled to your view and how you see it. I am mine.
I find it interesting the whole thing really.
Apart from mentioning the fans. Weve gone from being at match week 5 which made sense at the time when it was match week 10. To now possibly having a good side in February once he works out whos good and who isn't and who works together who doesn't.
Maybe it is the fm world thats ruined my perception and if so then so be it and ill hold my hands up to it. But id always believed you'd research the players before signing them so that you didnt have to wait 7 months to see if they work together. | |
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| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:25 - Dec 5 with 2356 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:20 - Dec 5 by Nutkins_Return |
What unbelievable hyperbole. Why you trying to make blow this up into something that it isn't?!
Such an odd post to say all that and then the "anyways. Hasn't said anything wrong". Baffling. |
Because its not really wrong. Just surprised hes gone that route.
Mick wasn't wrong. Most managers who go that route arent actually wrong. But just feel that when it comes to fans imo managers are best not to same them.
So yeah not wrong hence why i said not wrong. And also not hyperbole as its not a majorly negative thing either. Just that imo it never ends well when it starts. | |
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| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:29 - Dec 5 with 2295 views | SomethingBlue |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:21 - Dec 5 by FrimleyBlue |
You're entitled to your view and how you see it. I am mine.
I find it interesting the whole thing really.
Apart from mentioning the fans. Weve gone from being at match week 5 which made sense at the time when it was match week 10. To now possibly having a good side in February once he works out whos good and who isn't and who works together who doesn't.
Maybe it is the fm world thats ruined my perception and if so then so be it and ill hold my hands up to it. But id always believed you'd research the players before signing them so that you didnt have to wait 7 months to see if they work together. |
You are definitely entitled to your opinion, but making things up isn't an opinion – something many people seem to have completely forgotten. | |
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| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:36 - Dec 5 with 2227 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:29 - Dec 5 by SomethingBlue |
You are definitely entitled to your opinion, but making things up isn't an opinion – something many people seem to have completely forgotten. |
Not aware ive made anything up as mentioned things km has actually said
How i view them may differ to you but thats cool. | |
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| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:41 - Dec 5 with 2165 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:15 - Dec 5 by Chris_ITFC |
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With respect chris. Im allowed to post a view about an interview without the need to see it as being old frimmers. I wasn't allowed back on here with the requirements of only sharing views that would be popular. Im allowed a voice.
By all means counter the view. Ridicule it fine. But give over with the old frimmers stuff as ive done my best to post balanced views on here. | |
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| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:52 - Dec 5 with 2050 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:25 - Dec 5 by FrimleyBlue |
Because its not really wrong. Just surprised hes gone that route.
Mick wasn't wrong. Most managers who go that route arent actually wrong. But just feel that when it comes to fans imo managers are best not to same them.
So yeah not wrong hence why i said not wrong. And also not hyperbole as its not a majorly negative thing either. Just that imo it never ends well when it starts. |
Thing is though he hasn't really gone down a route. He's not come out and made a statement. Just in the course of an interview he's asked a serious of questions (and the questions can sometimes be journalists doing there job and asking slightly loaded questions) and he's answered and as he does he has answered them pretty honestly. As you later stated nothing said was really wrong so really no legitimacy to stating you are surprised he's gone down that route.
That's just my view. Thing it just starts to make something of nothing and stuff like this builds particularly if we have bad results. | |
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| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:55 - Dec 5 with 2035 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:01 - Dec 5 by ArnieM |
I think its similar tbh. He doesn't like to be challenged about his approach. Nor did McCarthy. He seems a little bit sensitive about fans questioning the efforts of the players and himself,so did McCarthy. He's already accused the fans projecting a " difficult atmosphere" at a recent home game. McCarthy also projected / apportionment " blame" on fans .. .. |
He didn't mind being asked the question. He said he understood it. He understood why people would look at that. And then gave his opinion and also why he didn't think it was helpful. What's not fair enough about that. If he didn't ask the question people would be saying he's dodging the question and not liking being challenged about it. He can't win. | |
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| Quite suprised by KM really on 23:21 - Dec 5 with 1828 views | BouncebackIpswich |
I think this thread is completely fair. McKenna has hinted a few times now that the fans are playing a part in the teams underperformance. It either smacks of a man who is believing his own hype, or is looking to deflect the blame away from himself and the team.
Does he have a point? Maybe, but that's modern football crowds for you, the likes of Leeds would be baying for his blood by now, he needs to try and get fans on side rather than create an us Vs them mentality. |  | | |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 23:54 - Dec 5 with 1678 views | Guthrum |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 23:21 - Dec 5 by BouncebackIpswich |
I think this thread is completely fair. McKenna has hinted a few times now that the fans are playing a part in the teams underperformance. It either smacks of a man who is believing his own hype, or is looking to deflect the blame away from himself and the team.
Does he have a point? Maybe, but that's modern football crowds for you, the likes of Leeds would be baying for his blood by now, he needs to try and get fans on side rather than create an us Vs them mentality. |
Playing a part in the team's underperformance, or not playing a part in the team's overperformance, as in 2022-23-24? | |
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| Oh do behave on 00:23 - Dec 6 with 1589 views | unstableblue |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 23:21 - Dec 5 by BouncebackIpswich |
I think this thread is completely fair. McKenna has hinted a few times now that the fans are playing a part in the teams underperformance. It either smacks of a man who is believing his own hype, or is looking to deflect the blame away from himself and the team.
Does he have a point? Maybe, but that's modern football crowds for you, the likes of Leeds would be baying for his blood by now, he needs to try and get fans on side rather than create an us Vs them mentality. |
Leeds had lost 4 on the bounce and the media were questioning Farke’s tenure - and yet the home fans turned up with one of the most intimidating atmospheres seen this season to greet Chelsea |  |
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| Quite suprised by KM really on 01:01 - Dec 6 with 1508 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Fk me, this is pique Frimmers. |  |
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| Quite suprised by KM really on 01:10 - Dec 6 with 1483 views | MrPotatoHead |
First real tough time hes had at town - nonsense, there were tougher times in league 1 (Bristol rovers) and last year wasn’t a walk in the park.
theres been perhaps 10% of a gambase having a moan - what’s a gambase and you can’t substantiate that at all.
beginning the mick Mccarthy its the fans fault - he’s said nothing of the sort.
Didn’t get past the 1st paragraph of this absolute nonsense. Idiot. |  | | |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 01:10 - Dec 6 with 1481 views | Churchman |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:21 - Dec 5 by FrimleyBlue |
You're entitled to your view and how you see it. I am mine.
I find it interesting the whole thing really.
Apart from mentioning the fans. Weve gone from being at match week 5 which made sense at the time when it was match week 10. To now possibly having a good side in February once he works out whos good and who isn't and who works together who doesn't.
Maybe it is the fm world thats ruined my perception and if so then so be it and ill hold my hands up to it. But id always believed you'd research the players before signing them so that you didnt have to wait 7 months to see if they work together. |
I have to disagree. Firstly some of these players arrived after May. Secondly you are ignoring the basic fact that by and large it takes time to form a team. If you’ve ever tried to assemble a team in any walk of life, you’ll know that. Human beings being just that means it’s not an exact science.
It took McKenna the second half of one season and half the next to get those players to perform to their potential. Why should it be different now? It isn’t.
The supporters can encourage or do their best to destroy. Many have chosen the latter. You said 10% - I don’t know as the only survey I’ve seen is the McKenna out thread the other day which had 20 for the boot and about double that, maybe more, supporting him. You do the maths.
What is certain is that Lampard’s team talk is done for him. What was once a hard place to play isn’t now. Grab the game and silence the crowd. First bit of pressure and the keeper will get the treatment. If Hirst has a poor game, this player who did so much to get the team promoted will be booed off when subbed. And so on.
If that team has to play in spite of our crowd not encouraged by them, is that important? With professional players it shouldn’t be, but as human beings, encouragement tends to work better than abuse. Again think of your day to day life and ask what works for you. The former or the latter?
Nobody is immune from criticism and being held accountable. But there’s a time and a place. I can’t go tomorrow (ticket resold) and for the first time since Lambert’s mess I’m glad I can’t. Not because Coventry are better than us and will probably win but because Portman Road just isn’t a fun place to be. It shouldn’t be that way. Poor performances are a factor, but I’ve sat though hundreds of those. It’s the atmosphere.
It’s just how I see it FB. It’s all opinions. |  | | |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 03:28 - Dec 6 with 1326 views | Ryorry |
Having heard from others on here how disgracefully some of *our own* plyers are treated by some of *our own* fans, I can hardly believe you're having a go at KM for wanting to protect *our* players, & him wanting fans to assist in improving our performances by being our 12th man at PR.
Legitimate criticism is fine. Abuse & constantly being on players' backs I can well imagine being a grind-down for them. Don't have a go at KM for wanting to lift & support them please. |  |
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| Oh do behave on 04:19 - Dec 6 with 1247 views | Illinoisblue |
| Oh do behave on 00:23 - Dec 6 by unstableblue |
Leeds had lost 4 on the bounce and the media were questioning Farke’s tenure - and yet the home fans turned up with one of the most intimidating atmospheres seen this season to greet Chelsea |
The decades-old rivalry and hatred of Chelsea no doubt sparked that atmosphere. |  |
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| Quite suprised by KM really on 06:11 - Dec 6 with 1125 views | Benters |
| Quite suprised by KM really on 22:01 - Dec 5 by ArnieM |
I think its similar tbh. He doesn't like to be challenged about his approach. Nor did McCarthy. He seems a little bit sensitive about fans questioning the efforts of the players and himself,so did McCarthy. He's already accused the fans projecting a " difficult atmosphere" at a recent home game. McCarthy also projected / apportionment " blame" on fans .. .. |
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