| 3rd day ashes update 07:48 - Dec 6 with 1677 views | bluelagos |
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| 3rd day ashes update on 12:08 - Dec 6 with 474 views | stonojnr |
| 3rd day ashes update on 11:48 - Dec 6 by Guthrum |
I'm not sure a practice match or two would have made much difference. It's a matter of batting philosophy. All-out attack has its place, e.g scoring quickly to take the game away when short of time, but it has to be moderated by some common sense. If not, it simply results in wickets thrown away. |
it was match practice though, something Stuart Broad has picked up on, they dont look like a team that have their brains fully in the match yet, hence dropped catches, hence not being able to bowl at the same spot for an over, let alone multiple overs.
its not a fitness thing, and its not something you can learn in nets, you have to play actual games to get it
the batting is the batting, and that wont change till the coaching philosophy does. |  | | |
| 3rd day ashes update on 12:33 - Dec 6 with 450 views | NthQldITFC |
| 3rd day ashes update on 09:40 - Dec 6 by Ftnfwest |
Yes the lions who did get the practice in are doing well off it…. We’re just simply not good enough at test cricket I’m afraid. Haven’t been for a long time, Root is the last test level player we have. |
As a punter who only really watches the Ashes plus a few other tests and the odd one dayer, is it really true that we just don't have test cricket type players any more? And do other countries have the same problem, India, Aus, S.A., W.I. etc.? Aren't the county games closer to test cricket than a lot of other countries play domestically? Or do test players never play county games anyway?
What is behind sticking with this Bazzball crap? Is it really all we can do? |  |
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| 3rd day ashes update on 12:45 - Dec 6 with 434 views | reusersfreekicks |
| 3rd day ashes update on 12:33 - Dec 6 by NthQldITFC |
As a punter who only really watches the Ashes plus a few other tests and the odd one dayer, is it really true that we just don't have test cricket type players any more? And do other countries have the same problem, India, Aus, S.A., W.I. etc.? Aren't the county games closer to test cricket than a lot of other countries play domestically? Or do test players never play county games anyway?
What is behind sticking with this Bazzball crap? Is it really all we can do? |
Imo we do have test cricketers but this ridiculous 1 dimensional way of playing limits them |  | | |
| 3rd day ashes update on 12:52 - Dec 6 with 420 views | bluewein |
| 3rd day ashes update on 12:45 - Dec 6 by reusersfreekicks |
Imo we do have test cricketers but this ridiculous 1 dimensional way of playing limits them |
This ridiculous 1 dimensional way of playing "is saving test cricket."
Well. Apparently. I don't believe it either... |  |
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| 3rd day ashes update on 12:55 - Dec 6 with 421 views | Herbivore |
Think this series will spell the end of the Bazball era. It's been fun at times but ultimately unsuccessful. Playing attacking cricket is great but you also need to play the match situation at times and we refuse to do that and there's no consequences for players doing stupid things time and again. The philosophy is so dogmatic that we take every loss as a moral victory so long as we stuck to our guns and that's not a mentality that encourages learning and improvement. |  |
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| 3rd day ashes update on 13:05 - Dec 6 with 404 views | Ftnfwest |
| 3rd day ashes update on 12:55 - Dec 6 by Herbivore |
Think this series will spell the end of the Bazball era. It's been fun at times but ultimately unsuccessful. Playing attacking cricket is great but you also need to play the match situation at times and we refuse to do that and there's no consequences for players doing stupid things time and again. The philosophy is so dogmatic that we take every loss as a moral victory so long as we stuck to our guns and that's not a mentality that encourages learning and improvement. |
Highly likely and agree but don’t let that make you think we have the players that are good enough to compete at the top level in India and Australia. We simply don’t, the bowlers are largely sub standard as well. Archer is the only one that really threatens on any surface, stokes is still decent but fading now, wood never fit, the others passable on English wickets, no quality spinners. |  | | |
| 3rd day ashes update on 13:47 - Dec 6 with 383 views | mellowblue |
| 3rd day ashes update on 12:33 - Dec 6 by NthQldITFC |
As a punter who only really watches the Ashes plus a few other tests and the odd one dayer, is it really true that we just don't have test cricket type players any more? And do other countries have the same problem, India, Aus, S.A., W.I. etc.? Aren't the county games closer to test cricket than a lot of other countries play domestically? Or do test players never play county games anyway?
What is behind sticking with this Bazzball crap? Is it really all we can do? |
our test players might get a coiuple of games in April early May, when the weather is damp and the ball is moving around, not reflective of conditions in Australia or even our own Summer. And if it is a test player selected for the IPL , then possibly no cricket at all. | | | |
| 3rd day ashes update on 14:19 - Dec 6 with 364 views | RIPbobby |
| 3rd day ashes update on 11:33 - Dec 6 by Swansea_Blue |
Refusing the practice match and bunkering down in their silo isn’t looking any better than it did when they first announced that’s what they were going to do. |
They are on your hopefully doing touristy things. Can't blame them if I had an all expenses paid 6 weeks down under. |  | | |
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| 3rd day ashes update on 14:28 - Dec 6 with 354 views | andytown |
| 3rd day ashes update on 12:33 - Dec 6 by NthQldITFC |
As a punter who only really watches the Ashes plus a few other tests and the odd one dayer, is it really true that we just don't have test cricket type players any more? And do other countries have the same problem, India, Aus, S.A., W.I. etc.? Aren't the county games closer to test cricket than a lot of other countries play domestically? Or do test players never play county games anyway?
What is behind sticking with this Bazzball crap? Is it really all we can do? |
as far as I remember Bazvall came about after the last Ashes down under, when our batsmen were hopeless , their technique was simply not good enough. Cue Bazball and 4 years of fun, albeit that they keep making the same silly tactical errors. For the bowling, we’re missing and will continue to miss Broad & Andeson. They’ve left a massive hole, but bottom line is I don’t think we have enough test technique batsmen. | | | |
| 3rd day ashes update on 20:47 - Dec 6 with 311 views | stonojnr |
| 3rd day ashes update on 12:55 - Dec 6 by Herbivore |
Think this series will spell the end of the Bazball era. It's been fun at times but ultimately unsuccessful. Playing attacking cricket is great but you also need to play the match situation at times and we refuse to do that and there's no consequences for players doing stupid things time and again. The philosophy is so dogmatic that we take every loss as a moral victory so long as we stuck to our guns and that's not a mentality that encourages learning and improvement. |
Well lets bleedin hope so... | | | |
| 3rd day ashes update on 12:20 - Dec 7 with 229 views | Ftnfwest |
| 3rd day ashes update on 12:33 - Dec 6 by NthQldITFC |
As a punter who only really watches the Ashes plus a few other tests and the odd one dayer, is it really true that we just don't have test cricket type players any more? And do other countries have the same problem, India, Aus, S.A., W.I. etc.? Aren't the county games closer to test cricket than a lot of other countries play domestically? Or do test players never play county games anyway?
What is behind sticking with this Bazzball crap? Is it really all we can do? |
As others have said bazball was created in response to the last debacle down under where we fiddled around fro slightly longer but still got blown away by their bowlers. A lot the players we have now are talented but it’s a raw talent that means they can middle a few deliveries for 15 minutes and then get out which pointless in test matches. Bazball gives this team just a. Brawlers chance against the better sides and just the faintest of chances away from home. The bowlers on the whole are very average as well. | | | |
| 3rd day ashes update on 12:35 - Dec 7 with 221 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
| 3rd day ashes update on 12:55 - Dec 6 by Herbivore |
Think this series will spell the end of the Bazball era. It's been fun at times but ultimately unsuccessful. Playing attacking cricket is great but you also need to play the match situation at times and we refuse to do that and there's no consequences for players doing stupid things time and again. The philosophy is so dogmatic that we take every loss as a moral victory so long as we stuck to our guns and that's not a mentality that encourages learning and improvement. |
Good summary. The current regime has been living off the results of 2022, since then the Test team have won as many games as they've lost, and the ODI side is historically bad. This approach was never likely to give England long-term success, but the cult-like nature of it has become grating to say the least, and it would be in everyone's best interests to freshen things up. Key and McCullum should go, I would be willing to keep Stokes on as captain if he's up for refining the approach. | | | |
| 3rd day ashes update on 12:39 - Dec 7 with 219 views | gainsboroughblue |
The only surprise was me waking up this morning and finding they were still playing. |  |
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| 3rd day ashes update on 13:02 - Dec 7 with 193 views | Chrisd |
| 3rd day ashes update on 12:55 - Dec 6 by Herbivore |
Think this series will spell the end of the Bazball era. It's been fun at times but ultimately unsuccessful. Playing attacking cricket is great but you also need to play the match situation at times and we refuse to do that and there's no consequences for players doing stupid things time and again. The philosophy is so dogmatic that we take every loss as a moral victory so long as we stuck to our guns and that's not a mentality that encourages learning and improvement. |
The Aussies have played Bazball, but batted using their brains regarding shot selection, it can be done. The England players just don’t adapt, see ball, hit ball. If one is missed, hit harder to the boundary next time!!! It’s just brainless. When Bazball comes off it is brilliant to watch, but how many series have England won against the top Test playing sides since BM has been appointed? Without checking, I’m going to say none. | |
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| 3rd day ashes update on 13:20 - Dec 7 with 176 views | mellowblue |
| 3rd day ashes update on 13:02 - Dec 7 by Chrisd |
The Aussies have played Bazball, but batted using their brains regarding shot selection, it can be done. The England players just don’t adapt, see ball, hit ball. If one is missed, hit harder to the boundary next time!!! It’s just brainless. When Bazball comes off it is brilliant to watch, but how many series have England won against the top Test playing sides since BM has been appointed? Without checking, I’m going to say none. |
It's not just bazball, it's also about T20 evolving players, increasing their shot selection, learning how to score off balls that aren't really there to be hit etc. And implementing the new skills in the longer format. Of course with that comes the increased risk playing on more neutral to batter/bowler pitches rather than the batsmen friendly pitches with shorter boundaries in T20. We just need to get the balance better, as the Aussies have. Since Root left the T20 scene, he has looked much more the Root of old, much more measured. And also experienced enough to take all the McCullum/Stokes gungho stuff and ignore it if he feels like it.
I had to look it up, but we beat S.A in McCullum's first series in 2022, nothing major since. | | | |
| 3rd day ashes update on 14:04 - Dec 7 with 156 views | Chrisd |
| 3rd day ashes update on 13:20 - Dec 7 by mellowblue |
It's not just bazball, it's also about T20 evolving players, increasing their shot selection, learning how to score off balls that aren't really there to be hit etc. And implementing the new skills in the longer format. Of course with that comes the increased risk playing on more neutral to batter/bowler pitches rather than the batsmen friendly pitches with shorter boundaries in T20. We just need to get the balance better, as the Aussies have. Since Root left the T20 scene, he has looked much more the Root of old, much more measured. And also experienced enough to take all the McCullum/Stokes gungho stuff and ignore it if he feels like it.
I had to look it up, but we beat S.A in McCullum's first series in 2022, nothing major since. |
I agree with your points, our batsmen seem to have no other mode of playing apart from batting like a T20 match and our bowlers just spray it around like a scatter gun, it’s all over the place, how can you bring any semblance of control? Against the lesser sides you can get away with it, but generally against the best teams across a 4 or 5 test series you get found out, apart from South Africa in 2022 (Thanks for finding that out!). When we perform like we have in these 2 tests our play looks so limited. The Aussies bowlers don’t need to work hard for our wickets, because invariably we give them up cheaply with loose shots regardless of the match situation. Look at Atkinson’s shot this morning, Smith moved himself from the slips and Atkinson just pulled it to him.
What I haven’t liked so far is the arrogance, we don’t need to play warm up games or adjust to the conditions, we’ll do it our way. Bearing in mind this is meant to be the weakest Aussie side in sometime and Cummins, Hazlewood and Lyon haven’t really played their part so far, it makes this England side look a really poor one and there’s little doubt we’re heading for a 5-0 defeat. For me, McCullum needs to go after this series and he can take Key with him. They are starting to take us backwards in all formats. | |
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| 3rd day ashes update on 14:20 - Dec 7 with 147 views | AljoBlue |
first test bazball beaten by travball
second test bazball beaten by brainball
Cummins and Lyon back next test interesting times | | | |
| 3rd day ashes update on 15:45 - Dec 7 with 120 views | mellowblue |
| 3rd day ashes update on 14:04 - Dec 7 by Chrisd |
I agree with your points, our batsmen seem to have no other mode of playing apart from batting like a T20 match and our bowlers just spray it around like a scatter gun, it’s all over the place, how can you bring any semblance of control? Against the lesser sides you can get away with it, but generally against the best teams across a 4 or 5 test series you get found out, apart from South Africa in 2022 (Thanks for finding that out!). When we perform like we have in these 2 tests our play looks so limited. The Aussies bowlers don’t need to work hard for our wickets, because invariably we give them up cheaply with loose shots regardless of the match situation. Look at Atkinson’s shot this morning, Smith moved himself from the slips and Atkinson just pulled it to him.
What I haven’t liked so far is the arrogance, we don’t need to play warm up games or adjust to the conditions, we’ll do it our way. Bearing in mind this is meant to be the weakest Aussie side in sometime and Cummins, Hazlewood and Lyon haven’t really played their part so far, it makes this England side look a really poor one and there’s little doubt we’re heading for a 5-0 defeat. For me, McCullum needs to go after this series and he can take Key with him. They are starting to take us backwards in all formats. |
He can certainly take Key with hin. Sky will welcome him back. Key like Strauss before him are just yes men and fall guys for the ECB and the wider powers and moneyed interests in the game. | | | |
| 3rd day ashes update on 19:24 - Dec 7 with 98 views | bluelagos |
Not sure if it was broadcast or reported in the UK but in a post match interview MaCullum said we had "if anything been over prepared".
Reminded me of Paul Lambert in the depths of his delusional post match interviews. | |
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