| WTF? 07:18 - Dec 11 with 3502 views | noggin |
Sky News have just shown homeless statistics. 1 in 45 people in London are considered homeless, including 97000 children. |  |
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| WTF? on 17:12 - Dec 11 with 499 views | Benters |
| WTF? on 11:51 - Dec 11 by J2BLUE |
You're not a racist IMO. You play the character of a racist on here and the same people take the bait but I don't believe you're a racist in the real world. |
I don’t play anything but thanks anyway x. |  |
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| WTF? on 17:20 - Dec 11 with 482 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| WTF? on 16:34 - Dec 11 by TNBlue |
Why do you downvote any poster that disagrees with you by the way?
That's really strange and petty behaviour. |
Maybe deal with the actual points raised rather than deflect.
(If you really want to know, I didn't come up with the concept of arrows, but as I understand it they're quick way to agree or disagree with a post. I wouldn't let them worry you too much though). |  |
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| WTF? on 17:35 - Dec 11 with 450 views | mellowblue |
| WTF? on 12:42 - Dec 11 by _CliveBaker_ |
The national average is 0.5%, so it being 4x that in the capital doesn't surprise me greatly, as depressing as it is.
The UK has some of the worst homeless rates (if not the worst) of any country in Europe. |
I suspect a lot comes down to what officially constitutes homelessness. We have a fairly broad umbrella that covers a lot of situations and pushes up the total. Do all European counties use the same criteria ? |  | | |
| WTF? on 17:35 - Dec 11 with 449 views | Benters |
| WTF? on 17:20 - Dec 11 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Maybe deal with the actual points raised rather than deflect.
(If you really want to know, I didn't come up with the concept of arrows, but as I understand it they're quick way to agree or disagree with a post. I wouldn't let them worry you too much though). |
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| WTF? on 19:02 - Dec 11 with 376 views | reusersfreekicks |
| WTF? on 07:37 - Dec 11 by TNBlue |
Exactly. So why is he berating another posting for not caring? Words are cheap and easy to throw around. If you genuinely care you can get out there and help out at a homeless project or give to homeless charities. I doubt he's doing any of those things. |
What a weird pov |  | | |
| WTF? on 19:06 - Dec 11 with 372 views | reusersfreekicks |
| WTF? on 08:38 - Dec 11 by witchdoctor |
why not?..come out and say what you think instead of snidely asides… |
Strange hill to die on | | | |
| I think there is a standardised..... on 19:12 - Dec 11 with 366 views | Bloots |
| WTF? on 17:35 - Dec 11 by mellowblue |
I suspect a lot comes down to what officially constitutes homelessness. We have a fairly broad umbrella that covers a lot of situations and pushes up the total. Do all European counties use the same criteria ? |
....methodology of 6 or so levels that range from "living on the streets or open spaces" to "living with relatives or friends" and includes all levels in between.
Obviously the figures being quoted on this thread include all levels of homelessness.
If we were only looking at the "worse" level, we are better off than a number of countries including Germany, Czechia and randomly Iceland.
We also fare better than USA, Canada and Australia.
Homelessness is obviously an issue in many places, not just here. |  |
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| WTF? on 19:16 - Dec 11 with 347 views | GlasgowBlue |
| WTF? on 11:48 - Dec 11 by J2BLUE |
There is. For relatively peanuts as well.
Don't wish to be a virtue signalling w@nker but I love this site https://www.goodgifts.org/all-gifts Discovered it on MSE so it's legit. When you see the things a small amount of money can buy it's so depressing that some people have billions.
The advent calendars are brilliant [Post edited 11 Dec 11:53]
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This time of the year it's particularly important people donate to a worthwhile cause. I recall about 10 years ago Dolly linked a website where you could buy a Christmas present for somebody which was a donation for meal and a haircut for a homeless person. Your links are all very worthwhile. It's good to see people being proactive. |  |
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| WTF? on 19:30 - Dec 11 with 337 views | J2BLUE |
| WTF? on 19:16 - Dec 11 by GlasgowBlue |
This time of the year it's particularly important people donate to a worthwhile cause. I recall about 10 years ago Dolly linked a website where you could buy a Christmas present for somebody which was a donation for meal and a haircut for a homeless person. Your links are all very worthwhile. It's good to see people being proactive. |
That was actually the Crisis at Christmas link. |  |
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| WTF? on 20:00 - Dec 11 with 298 views | GlasgowBlue |
| WTF? on 19:30 - Dec 11 by J2BLUE |
That was actually the Crisis at Christmas link. |
Perhaps post those links again in a separate thread and see if Phil will put a sticky on it? Should get some traction on here. | |
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| WTF? on 20:50 - Dec 11 with 263 views | Kropotkin123 |
| WTF? on 07:36 - Dec 11 by Benters |
That’s just not true is it if you think there are 97000 children in London sleeping rough,then more fool you.
Anyway how’s your lovely house in Norway ? |
From my time living in London, I can't see how this is true. Sure, I've been gone 4 years, but 1 in 45 homeless. That's 200k people homeless in London. I think London would look a lot different if true. Need to see the workings on these before I believe it. |  |
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| WTF? on 21:22 - Dec 11 with 219 views | noggin |
| WTF? on 20:50 - Dec 11 by Kropotkin123 |
From my time living in London, I can't see how this is true. Sure, I've been gone 4 years, but 1 in 45 homeless. That's 200k people homeless in London. I think London would look a lot different if true. Need to see the workings on these before I believe it. |
"I think London would look a lot different if true."
How would it look? | |
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| WTF? on 21:23 - Dec 11 with 219 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| WTF? on 20:50 - Dec 11 by Kropotkin123 |
From my time living in London, I can't see how this is true. Sure, I've been gone 4 years, but 1 in 45 homeless. That's 200k people homeless in London. I think London would look a lot different if true. Need to see the workings on these before I believe it. |
Maybe you should google hidden homelessness. It seems, like Benters, you think that homelessness is just people sleeping rough. | |
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| WTF? on 21:37 - Dec 11 with 195 views | Swansea_Blue |
| WTF? on 20:50 - Dec 11 by Kropotkin123 |
From my time living in London, I can't see how this is true. Sure, I've been gone 4 years, but 1 in 45 homeless. That's 200k people homeless in London. I think London would look a lot different if true. Need to see the workings on these before I believe it. |
The figures seem genuine. It’s obviously including everyone who doesn’t have their own home, be that owned, rented or with family. Most will be people in temporary accommodation, which sounds crap (I posted a link a few replies up). They won’t be obvious, as they’re just normal people but without a home.
From that same site on why it’s not obvious: https://www.justlife.org.uk/our-work/knowledge-hub/what-is-hidden-homelessness-a (there may well be better or more official sites, but this seems to give an overview that only takes a few seconds to read). |  |
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| WTF? on 21:53 - Dec 11 with 156 views | Kropotkin123 |
| WTF? on 21:23 - Dec 11 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Maybe you should google hidden homelessness. It seems, like Benters, you think that homelessness is just people sleeping rough. |
Yes, that is what I understood from the initial claim.
I don't think I should have to Google terminology. If multiple people are coming to the same conclusion (mistakes), in good faith, from the statement, then the initial statement likely needs clarification. | |
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| WTF? on 21:56 - Dec 11 with 152 views | noggin |
| WTF? on 21:53 - Dec 11 by Kropotkin123 |
Yes, that is what I understood from the initial claim.
I don't think I should have to Google terminology. If multiple people are coming to the same conclusion (mistakes), in good faith, from the statement, then the initial statement likely needs clarification. |
Well it's been explained several times already, in this thread, what homeless means. | |
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| WTF? on 22:25 - Dec 11 with 121 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| WTF? on 21:53 - Dec 11 by Kropotkin123 |
Yes, that is what I understood from the initial claim.
I don't think I should have to Google terminology. If multiple people are coming to the same conclusion (mistakes), in good faith, from the statement, then the initial statement likely needs clarification. |
Apologies, I didn't think 'hidden homeless' was terminology, particularly. I thought it was a pretty well known phrase. To me it's common sense that homelessness doesn't just mean literally sleeping on the streets, but I guess maybe it isn't. | |
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| WTF? on 23:23 - Dec 11 with 86 views | have_a_word_with_him |
I thought this was an Ipswich Town football fan forum. To talk about football. |  | | |
| WTF? on 23:30 - Dec 11 with 78 views | TNBlue |
| WTF? on 23:23 - Dec 11 by have_a_word_with_him |
I thought this was an Ipswich Town football fan forum. To talk about football. |
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| WTF? on 00:41 - Dec 12 with 49 views | Kropotkin123 |
| WTF? on 22:25 - Dec 11 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Apologies, I didn't think 'hidden homeless' was terminology, particularly. I thought it was a pretty well known phrase. To me it's common sense that homelessness doesn't just mean literally sleeping on the streets, but I guess maybe it isn't. |
Makes sense to me now and the numbers do too, I'll know for next time. | |
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| WTF? on 00:52 - Dec 12 with 37 views | Kropotkin123 |
| WTF? on 21:22 - Dec 11 by noggin |
"I think London would look a lot different if true."
How would it look? |
200k people sleeping on the streets... It would look like a dystopia. Different to what it does when I last saw it 4 years ago, that's for sure. You can't imagine 200k sleeping on the streets of London or any other big city? It would be beyond a stain on our ability and willingness to be compassionate to our fellow citizens/humans.
That homeless is defined differently to what I thought makes the numbers believable, and still an sad indictment of where our society is at. | |
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