| McAteer at the final whistle 11:06 - Dec 14 with 2122 views | tractorshark |
Did anyone else clock McAteer running round clapping the home fans at the end?
Obviously he’s got big links there and maybe he never got to say goodbye before he left but that was about as quick as he’s moved all season!
One minute you’re looking contrite in front of a very disappointed away end and the next you’re skipping around getting cheap applause from the home fans.
A few Ipswich fans around me were pretty unimpressed when they saw it.
I know he’s not everyone’s favourite and it’s an easy stick to beat him with. But for a guy who has done absolutely nothing to justify our sizeable outlay so far, I did think it might have been wiser to just acknowledge the home fans from a more discreet distance given the performance we had just put on.
That said, he couldn’t be blamed for yesterday’s defeat. Far more fan favourites were at fault for that.
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| McAteer at the final whistle on 11:08 - Dec 14 with 2087 views | jasondozzell |
No problem with it whatsoever. Former players will clap home support at clubs that they came through or spent a long time at. In fact, I'd be more concerned if he hadn't.
He never lacks for effort and should have started yesterday. |  | | |
| McAteer at the final whistle on 11:10 - Dec 14 with 2053 views | tcblue |
I can't comment on anything else but, it isn't on a player to justify the money spent on obtaining their services.
If you believe we have overpaid for those services, those are the ones to hold to accept until, even if they were not applauding the Leicester fans (again, I can't comment on that, I wasn't there) | | | |
| McAteer at the final whistle on 11:25 - Dec 14 with 1956 views | ParisBlue |
| McAteer at the final whistle on 11:08 - Dec 14 by jasondozzell |
No problem with it whatsoever. Former players will clap home support at clubs that they came through or spent a long time at. In fact, I'd be more concerned if he hadn't.
He never lacks for effort and should have started yesterday. |
I don't recall Luke Woolfenden doing anything similar last week. |  |
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| McAteer at the final whistle on 11:58 - Dec 14 with 1852 views | Chris_ITFC |
I knew someone would do this as soon as I saw it happen.
He’s back at the club he joined as a boy, one he left without any form of goodbye, and actually, I think he ran quickly to stop it looking like a big thing. If that was our player, we’d all clap to a man, so there’s no need to make an issue of it in reverse. |  |
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| McAteer at the final whistle on 12:09 - Dec 14 with 1793 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
I don't see the problem.
Pretty small minded people around you by the sounds of it. |  |
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| McAteer at the final whistle on 12:26 - Dec 14 with 1735 views | swede |
| McAteer at the final whistle on 11:25 - Dec 14 by ParisBlue |
I don't recall Luke Woolfenden doing anything similar last week. |
Woolfie certainly clapped the Cobbold stand during the warm up as did Broadhead a few weeks ago. | | | |
| McAteer at the final whistle on 12:33 - Dec 14 with 1703 views | ITFC_Forever |
Yes, and I had no problem with it. |  |
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| McAteer at the final whistle on 12:37 - Dec 14 with 1690 views | Smoresy |
Good on him. I like a player who respects his former club (much as I enjoy the Nunez panto). He also spent two-thirds of his life there (and I'm sure knows how he's viewed here).
Also McAteer almost broke a cheekbone trying to score for us yesterday. Effort is there for anyone wishing to see it, same as for Szmodics and Akpom imo. Trouble is we know effort and willing aren't enough, not for fans, not for success. They've all performed well below their ITFC transfer valuation, none more so than McAteer. Should they have turned down their moves though because we'd decided to pay more than was sensible? Arf. 😉 Any blame very much lies elsewhere, difficult as it may be to make that point without simultaneously knocking the player (apologies, gone off on a tangent in this paragraph). | | | |
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| McAteer at the final whistle on 12:39 - Dec 14 with 1684 views | AljoBlue |
| McAteer at the final whistle on 11:10 - Dec 14 by tcblue |
I can't comment on anything else but, it isn't on a player to justify the money spent on obtaining their services.
If you believe we have overpaid for those services, those are the ones to hold to accept until, even if they were not applauding the Leicester fans (again, I can't comment on that, I wasn't there) |
I personally think McAteer is everything about why people who support clubs not getting parachute payments hate the clubs who get them. 2 years ago it would be inconceivable we would throw 12 million at a squad player, even if that players best performance was against us. Hopefully we get promoted before the parachute money runs out for us, but if it does, spending this money on a squad player, when there were huge areas in the squad, the 9, matusiwa cover, leif cover of massively higher priority is not going to age well. Hoperfully McAteer makes me eat my words and turns into the Ronaldo player he was vehemently portrayed as when we signed him on one of our podcasts.
The way I look at it, is take a figure in your head of what you think would have been a fair transfer fee for McAteer and then use that as a marker for our other transfers. It can then be a new basis for 'transfer value' in our transfers.
e.g. if one thinks McAteer would have been at best a free transfer value then
Egeli (cost 5 million more than McAteer) = 5 million outlay
Nunez (cost 5 million less than McAteer) = 5 million in bank + the player
so effectively, using this system, we broke even on combined signings of Egeli and Nunez | | | |
| McAteer at the final whistle on 13:06 - Dec 14 with 1581 views | tractorshark |
Just to clarify I’m knocking his work effort or blaming him for the defeat in any way.(I don’t think he’s shown much quality though).
And I’ve said before the fee is not his fault. The clubs agreed to that.
And of course he’s entitled to acknowledge his old support.
I think it was just the manner in which he did it that created a reaction. Running into the other half of the pitch while the Leicester players were still celebrating there.
Maybe, as someone said here, it was because he wanted to do it quickly.
But one of the replies here says they wondered if someone would bring this up which kind of supports my point that it was perhaps ill advised to do it in the way he did.
We all know fans get emotional after defeats and over react so fair enough, it’s not a big deal. But I could see why it grated with some and it just smacked of seeking cheap applause in my opinion.
If we’d won that game, I doubt he would have done the same thing or at least not in the same manner. He may have got a different reaction from Leicester fans.
I was actually surprised he didn’t start yesterday. I think that speaks volumes about where McKenna sees him right now, despite his show of faith in press conferences. | | | |
| McAteer at the final whistle on 13:15 - Dec 14 with 1552 views | Illinoisblue |
| McAteer at the final whistle on 12:39 - Dec 14 by AljoBlue |
I personally think McAteer is everything about why people who support clubs not getting parachute payments hate the clubs who get them. 2 years ago it would be inconceivable we would throw 12 million at a squad player, even if that players best performance was against us. Hopefully we get promoted before the parachute money runs out for us, but if it does, spending this money on a squad player, when there were huge areas in the squad, the 9, matusiwa cover, leif cover of massively higher priority is not going to age well. Hoperfully McAteer makes me eat my words and turns into the Ronaldo player he was vehemently portrayed as when we signed him on one of our podcasts.
The way I look at it, is take a figure in your head of what you think would have been a fair transfer fee for McAteer and then use that as a marker for our other transfers. It can then be a new basis for 'transfer value' in our transfers.
e.g. if one thinks McAteer would have been at best a free transfer value then
Egeli (cost 5 million more than McAteer) = 5 million outlay
Nunez (cost 5 million less than McAteer) = 5 million in bank + the player
so effectively, using this system, we broke even on combined signings of Egeli and Nunez |
It’s a good point; we’ve gone from 500k on Harness as a squad player to - somehow - spending 12 million on McAteer. The fee will never never ever ever make any sense. It instantly raises expectations from Ipswich fans - “you cost that much? Do something good right now” - and also make opposition fans and players raise their games to ‘show these rich bastards’. |  |
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| McAteer at the final whistle on 13:17 - Dec 14 with 1538 views | FBI |
Seems like the best place here for my largely irrelevant musings about McAteer.
He hasn't clicked, that much is obvious. But, equally, you'd think that an awful lot of people at the Club from MA & KM through to the coaching and scouting teams ansd whoever else is paid to do due diligence saw something they wanted in him.
So that begs the question of why it's not working?
I've had jobs where I just knew from day one that it wasn't working. Great job/wage, whatever but I knew it wasn't the right move, unfortunately just after starting. And I wonder if that's the case here? It can really mess with your head and performance, regardless of salary, profile etc. and he's been at Leicester (barring short term loans) for 16 years since joining them at 8 years old. Anyone, irrespective of the job, is going to find that tough especially when you're expected to perform from day one. And, for most of us, we don't turn up for work to have several thousand people groaning and having a pop as we try to do our job. The 'oh but for that wage I'd...' argument doesn't wash in those circumstances.
Shades of Muric, perhaps? I feel for the lad and wouldn't want to be in his shoes. His shirt? God, yes, of course, but maybe, just maybe, he's homesick, unhappy and feeling the weight of a hefty price tag and huge expectation. [Post edited 14 Dec 13:18]
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| McAteer at the final whistle on 13:31 - Dec 14 with 1453 views | tcblue |
| McAteer at the final whistle on 13:15 - Dec 14 by Illinoisblue |
It’s a good point; we’ve gone from 500k on Harness as a squad player to - somehow - spending 12 million on McAteer. The fee will never never ever ever make any sense. It instantly raises expectations from Ipswich fans - “you cost that much? Do something good right now” - and also make opposition fans and players raise their games to ‘show these rich bastards’. |
And this is an 'us' problem, in terms of getting used to the market which we are effectively swimming in.
It's hard to adjust - for years and years we were a low spending Championship club - but it is the market we're in.
We might not be again in a few seasons, and then we'll no doubt be back to grumbling that we're not spending like the bigger boys | | | |
| McAteer at the final whistle on 13:33 - Dec 14 with 1438 views | Rozz |
| McAteer at the final whistle on 13:17 - Dec 14 by FBI |
Seems like the best place here for my largely irrelevant musings about McAteer.
He hasn't clicked, that much is obvious. But, equally, you'd think that an awful lot of people at the Club from MA & KM through to the coaching and scouting teams ansd whoever else is paid to do due diligence saw something they wanted in him.
So that begs the question of why it's not working?
I've had jobs where I just knew from day one that it wasn't working. Great job/wage, whatever but I knew it wasn't the right move, unfortunately just after starting. And I wonder if that's the case here? It can really mess with your head and performance, regardless of salary, profile etc. and he's been at Leicester (barring short term loans) for 16 years since joining them at 8 years old. Anyone, irrespective of the job, is going to find that tough especially when you're expected to perform from day one. And, for most of us, we don't turn up for work to have several thousand people groaning and having a pop as we try to do our job. The 'oh but for that wage I'd...' argument doesn't wash in those circumstances.
Shades of Muric, perhaps? I feel for the lad and wouldn't want to be in his shoes. His shirt? God, yes, of course, but maybe, just maybe, he's homesick, unhappy and feeling the weight of a hefty price tag and huge expectation. [Post edited 14 Dec 13:18]
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Hmm, it's a fair point but one that would make more sense of other signings IMO, who are performing at a level under that which they've previously shown elsewhere.
McAteer has been pretty ordinary, but we knew from Leicester fans what to expect from him. Aside from some instances of awful finishing, I don't think he's been massively underperforming from the level we should have known he was playing at there. Whether the price tag was warranted for that level of player is another question.
I suspect there's something in his stats / profile that indicate he can be moulded into something we need. We saw yesterday that he's a better option than Clarke on the RW, but pairing him and Furlong was probably a little too defensive for a game where their wingers might bomb on and we'd find space in behind. In hindsight, I'd have played him yesterday. |  | | |
| McAteer at the final whistle on 13:33 - Dec 14 with 1435 views | Nutkins_Return |
This is an appalling stick to beat the guy with. FFS we may not be thrilled with the signing but if we are sinking this low to find something else to target him for.
We lost a a game of football he barely played in. | |
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| McAteer at the final whistle on 13:38 - Dec 14 with 1391 views | FBI |
| McAteer at the final whistle on 13:33 - Dec 14 by Rozz |
Hmm, it's a fair point but one that would make more sense of other signings IMO, who are performing at a level under that which they've previously shown elsewhere.
McAteer has been pretty ordinary, but we knew from Leicester fans what to expect from him. Aside from some instances of awful finishing, I don't think he's been massively underperforming from the level we should have known he was playing at there. Whether the price tag was warranted for that level of player is another question.
I suspect there's something in his stats / profile that indicate he can be moulded into something we need. We saw yesterday that he's a better option than Clarke on the RW, but pairing him and Furlong was probably a little too defensive for a game where their wingers might bomb on and we'd find space in behind. In hindsight, I'd have played him yesterday. |
With regard to your first point, you have to remember that players are human beings and everyone's different mentally. The rest I do agree with though. | |
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| McAteer at the final whistle on 14:09 - Dec 14 with 1280 views | football |
Did you post the same when town players went to clap the West Brom fans when they visited? Why make an issue out of something that isn't. He was a former player and got a decent reception - thanking them for his support when he was there.
Ex-Ipswich players have done it in the past | | | |
| McAteer at the final whistle on 14:44 - Dec 14 with 1170 views | lazyblue |
| McAteer at the final whistle on 11:25 - Dec 14 by ParisBlue |
I don't recall Luke Woolfenden doing anything similar last week. |
That sums up Woolfenden more than anything else | | | |
| McAteer at the final whistle on 14:59 - Dec 14 with 1111 views | jasondozzell |
| McAteer at the final whistle on 13:06 - Dec 14 by tractorshark |
Just to clarify I’m knocking his work effort or blaming him for the defeat in any way.(I don’t think he’s shown much quality though).
And I’ve said before the fee is not his fault. The clubs agreed to that.
And of course he’s entitled to acknowledge his old support.
I think it was just the manner in which he did it that created a reaction. Running into the other half of the pitch while the Leicester players were still celebrating there.
Maybe, as someone said here, it was because he wanted to do it quickly.
But one of the replies here says they wondered if someone would bring this up which kind of supports my point that it was perhaps ill advised to do it in the way he did.
We all know fans get emotional after defeats and over react so fair enough, it’s not a big deal. But I could see why it grated with some and it just smacked of seeking cheap applause in my opinion.
If we’d won that game, I doubt he would have done the same thing or at least not in the same manner. He may have got a different reaction from Leicester fans.
I was actually surprised he didn’t start yesterday. I think that speaks volumes about where McKenna sees him right now, despite his show of faith in press conferences. |
Some of our fans need to get used to the fact that we can lose football matches and get over themselves. There were some boos yesterday plus some people on the train slagging off McKenna.
We're fifth. Everyone needs to get a grip. Football isn't a fairytale always. | | | |
| McAteer at the final whistle on 16:41 - Dec 14 with 941 views | Blaggers12 |
| McAteer at the final whistle on 11:25 - Dec 14 by ParisBlue |
I don't recall Luke Woolfenden doing anything similar last week. |
No he didn't, which I was surprised about. Cresswell acknowledged the fans more than Woolf did. | |
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| McAteer at the final whistle on 17:23 - Dec 14 with 838 views | slade1 |
| McAteer at the final whistle on 11:25 - Dec 14 by ParisBlue |
I don't recall Luke Woolfenden doing anything similar last week. |
I sit near the dugouts and Luke stood up and applauded all four corners of the ground.
Open your eyes ParisBlue | | | |
| McAteer at the final whistle on 17:57 - Dec 14 with 744 views | Chris_ITFC |
| McAteer at the final whistle on 11:25 - Dec 14 by ParisBlue |
I don't recall Luke Woolfenden doing anything similar last week. |
Or Nunez, come to think of it!  | |
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| McAteer at the final whistle on 17:58 - Dec 14 with 741 views | itfcsuth |
Whilst there are question marks over his actual ability, he certainly plays with a good level of passion and energy, even if end product is seriously lacking currently.
Him going to clap the Leicester fans is absolutely fine, it happens all the time, and certainly not a stick to beat McAteer with.
Cam Burgess did it to us, despite being beaten 4-1. |  | | |
| McAteer at the final whistle on 18:02 - Dec 14 with 720 views | bournemouthblue |
| McAteer at the final whistle on 17:58 - Dec 14 by itfcsuth |
Whilst there are question marks over his actual ability, he certainly plays with a good level of passion and energy, even if end product is seriously lacking currently.
Him going to clap the Leicester fans is absolutely fine, it happens all the time, and certainly not a stick to beat McAteer with.
Cam Burgess did it to us, despite being beaten 4-1. |
I actually think he should have started with Clarke down the left
It's probably pretty harsh on Azon as well |  |
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| McAteer at the final whistle on 19:27 - Dec 14 with 554 views | itfcsuth |
| McAteer at the final whistle on 18:02 - Dec 14 by bournemouthblue |
I actually think he should have started with Clarke down the left
It's probably pretty harsh on Azon as well |
I’d agree, it looked like the perfect fit game for McAteer to go against his old team with Sindre out.
It probably spoke volumes about where he is with us at the moment, given he wasn’t selected from the outset, then only really a brief cameo appearance - it’s not ideal. | | | |
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