| Kieran on team building 15:18 - Dec 19 with 2914 views | NthQldITFC |
Extracted straight from Phil's presser thread, but I think the manager puts it better than anyone really.
Presser by PhilTWTD 19 Dec 14:35Collection of individuals rather than a team? I've said before, comparing with last team, we did something remarkable. I see a group of players who have outrun the opposition, created more chances than the opposition in most games. Can we still improve in chemistry, resilience? We can, but that's more natural for a group that's not been together that long. Any team which has been through promotions etc is going to be more together than a group which came together a few months ago. But I see a group working hard, looking back isn't much use at the moment. Need to stay really focused and that's how we build it.
It's completely understandable that our fans' expectations are high and some degree of impatience is natural, but we have remember the part of the team building cycle we are in, and the qualifications of the man in charge to get us there. |  |
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| Kieran on team building on 15:20 - Dec 19 with 1940 views | StokieBlue |
Coventry were decent last season but as shown by our FA result, they were nothing like they are this season.
They did very little in the transfer market over the summer, it's essentially a team that have had 2 seasons plus to develop and it makes a difference.
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| Kieran on team building on 15:47 - Dec 19 with 1806 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Kieran on team building on 15:20 - Dec 19 by StokieBlue |
Coventry were decent last season but as shown by our FA result, they were nothing like they are this season.
They did very little in the transfer market over the summer, it's essentially a team that have had 2 seasons plus to develop and it makes a difference.
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No more excuses please everyone.
Very expensive squad, many of who have been here well beyond this season.
Lets put the excuses to bed, play a consistent team and crack on with some wins.
I am supportive of KM and the team, but can be critical at the same time. |  |
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| Kieran on team building on 15:50 - Dec 19 with 1780 views | SheffordBlue |
| Kieran on team building on 15:47 - Dec 19 by Marshalls_Mullet |
No more excuses please everyone.
Very expensive squad, many of who have been here well beyond this season.
Lets put the excuses to bed, play a consistent team and crack on with some wins.
I am supportive of KM and the team, but can be critical at the same time. |
Not quite sure where the difference between context and excuses is but I think there is one. |  |
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| Kieran on team building on 15:53 - Dec 19 with 1754 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Kieran on team building on 15:50 - Dec 19 by SheffordBlue |
Not quite sure where the difference between context and excuses is but I think there is one. |
Yep, that was def an excuse!! | |
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| Kieran on team building on 15:54 - Dec 19 with 1761 views | StokieBlue |
| Kieran on team building on 15:47 - Dec 19 by Marshalls_Mullet |
No more excuses please everyone.
Very expensive squad, many of who have been here well beyond this season.
Lets put the excuses to bed, play a consistent team and crack on with some wins.
I am supportive of KM and the team, but can be critical at the same time. |
It's not an excuse, it's context that you're ignoring.
"many of who have been here well beyond this season"
That's not true for a lot of starters and it's nothing like what I said about Coventry.
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| Kieran on team building on 15:55 - Dec 19 with 1744 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Kieran on team building on 15:54 - Dec 19 by StokieBlue |
It's not an excuse, it's context that you're ignoring.
"many of who have been here well beyond this season"
That's not true for a lot of starters and it's nothing like what I said about Coventry.
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Walton c.4 years
Davis c.4 years
O'Shea 18 months
Taylor c.3 years
Philogene c. 1 year
Hirst c.2.5 years
Clarke c.1 year
Coventry is just one team, that's not context. And a bit of a sweeping statement. | |
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| Kieran on team building on 15:56 - Dec 19 with 1733 views | SitfcB |
| Kieran on team building on 15:47 - Dec 19 by Marshalls_Mullet |
No more excuses please everyone.
Very expensive squad, many of who have been here well beyond this season.
Lets put the excuses to bed, play a consistent team and crack on with some wins.
I am supportive of KM and the team, but can be critical at the same time. |
Just the modern day football fan.
No patience.
If we don’t go up this season and manage to keep 90% of the squad and McKenna then I’m pretty sure we’d absolutely wallop the league.
But the fanbase probably won’t allow that to happen. |  |
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| Kieran on team building on 15:59 - Dec 19 with 1704 views | rgp1 |
I think we are a team in transition. We may not go up and I think some struggle to accept that. | | | |
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| Kieran on team building on 16:03 - Dec 19 with 1668 views | positivity |
| Kieran on team building on 15:55 - Dec 19 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Walton c.4 years
Davis c.4 years
O'Shea 18 months
Taylor c.3 years
Philogene c. 1 year
Hirst c.2.5 years
Clarke c.1 year
Coventry is just one team, that's not context. And a bit of a sweeping statement. |
philogene and clarke together is practically one game, that's way out of context! | |
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| Kieran on team building on 16:03 - Dec 19 with 1669 views | SheffordBlue |
| Kieran on team building on 15:53 - Dec 19 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Yep, that was def an excuse!! |
I think you're missing the context both of where the respective squads are and of how the question was posed.
The question was specifically about how team cohesiveness differed between the two squads and made no reference to results. KMc responded (in depth as he always does) to the question posed. | |
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| Kieran on team building on 16:04 - Dec 19 with 1667 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Kieran on team building on 15:56 - Dec 19 by SitfcB |
Just the modern day football fan.
No patience.
If we don’t go up this season and manage to keep 90% of the squad and McKenna then I’m pretty sure we’d absolutely wallop the league.
But the fanbase probably won’t allow that to happen. |
Not impatient. I just think we are under performing.
I'm supportive of KM, not asking for him to be sacked.
Its OK to disagree.
If we dont go up, we should be stronger next year.... but the league will probably be stronger too.
No need to invent a false narrative. | |
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| Kieran on team building on 16:05 - Dec 19 with 1646 views | StokieBlue |
| Kieran on team building on 15:55 - Dec 19 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Walton c.4 years
Davis c.4 years
O'Shea 18 months
Taylor c.3 years
Philogene c. 1 year
Hirst c.2.5 years
Clarke c.1 year
Coventry is just one team, that's not context. And a bit of a sweeping statement. |
Not as sweeping as:
"many of who have been here well beyond this season"
So you've listed 7 players, one of whom barely played the last few seasons, one who was injured all his time here last season and one who played sporadically last season.
So in reality 3, possibly 4 of them could qualify for your statement when it comes to gelling as a team.
We all want Town to do better of course, just not sure some of the criticism is valid without context.
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| Kieran on team building on 16:05 - Dec 19 with 1647 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Kieran on team building on 16:03 - Dec 19 by positivity |
philogene and clarke together is practically one game, that's way out of context! |
They are both first teams members, they just happen to alternate. | |
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| Kieran on team building on 16:06 - Dec 19 with 1623 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Kieran on team building on 16:05 - Dec 19 by StokieBlue |
Not as sweeping as:
"many of who have been here well beyond this season"
So you've listed 7 players, one of whom barely played the last few seasons, one who was injured all his time here last season and one who played sporadically last season.
So in reality 3, possibly 4 of them could qualify for your statement when it comes to gelling as a team.
We all want Town to do better of course, just not sure some of the criticism is valid without context.
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They are all current first teamers, and have all been here a long time as stated.
The excuse is poor.
KM has started listening to people like me, and has named a relatively unchanged side for the past few matches. Hopefully that continues. | |
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| Kieran on team building on 16:07 - Dec 19 with 1605 views | positivity |
| Kieran on team building on 16:05 - Dec 19 by Marshalls_Mullet |
They are both first teams members, they just happen to alternate. |
one is in the first 11, the other isn't. egeli (<4 months) is the clear first choice on the right and he's developing and improving, like the team | |
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| Kieran on team building on 16:08 - Dec 19 with 1597 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Kieran on team building on 16:07 - Dec 19 by positivity |
one is in the first 11, the other isn't. egeli (<4 months) is the clear first choice on the right and he's developing and improving, like the team |
Its OK to disagree. | |
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| Kieran on team building on 16:09 - Dec 19 with 1585 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Kieran on team building on 16:03 - Dec 19 by SheffordBlue |
I think you're missing the context both of where the respective squads are and of how the question was posed.
The question was specifically about how team cohesiveness differed between the two squads and made no reference to results. KMc responded (in depth as he always does) to the question posed. |
Its implied in both the question and the answer.
We both know the context of the exchange. 😉 | |
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| Kieran on team building on 16:10 - Dec 19 with 1561 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Kieran on team building on 16:08 - Dec 19 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Its OK to disagree. |
I think they are defenses on both sides of the fence with this, the only thing I would add is people mentioning match appearences, which seems to ignore the behind closed doors games we play and other training time they get too. It's not like they only get together on a matchday, play and game and that's the only time they get to learn KMs style, patterns of play etc |  |
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| Kieran on team building on 16:11 - Dec 19 with 1554 views | SheffordBlue |
| Kieran on team building on 16:09 - Dec 19 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Its implied in both the question and the answer.
We both know the context of the exchange. 😉 |
Did you listen to the full thing? You can infer that it was about results but that's certainly not how the question was posed or the spirit of the response IMO. | |
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| Kieran on team building on 16:21 - Dec 19 with 1451 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Kieran on team building on 16:11 - Dec 19 by SheffordBlue |
Did you listen to the full thing? You can infer that it was about results but that's certainly not how the question was posed or the spirit of the response IMO. |
Ashton summed it up in one sentence, Phil’s story today on January transfer window
“But we will be active in the positions Kieran wants us in and, for sure, this January, to make sure we’re competitive again.“ |  |
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| Kieran on team building on 16:24 - Dec 19 with 1431 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Kieran on team building on 16:06 - Dec 19 by Marshalls_Mullet |
They are all current first teamers, and have all been here a long time as stated.
The excuse is poor.
KM has started listening to people like me, and has named a relatively unchanged side for the past few matches. Hopefully that continues. |
You do think a lot of yourself if you think KmK is listening to you 
That's some ego - completely outshines any ego Ashton might have ... | | | |
| Kieran on team building on 16:29 - Dec 19 with 1407 views | J2BLUE |
| Kieran on team building on 15:47 - Dec 19 by Marshalls_Mullet |
No more excuses please everyone.
Very expensive squad, many of who have been here well beyond this season.
Lets put the excuses to bed, play a consistent team and crack on with some wins.
I am supportive of KM and the team, but can be critical at the same time. |
We are fifth. 8 points from second. This is despite the fact that anyone looking at this forum from outside without having seen the table would likely think we were in the bottom half
We have a higher xG per shot than Middlesbrough. We have a lower xG conceded per shot than Middlesbrough.
Middlesbrough and Coventry are significantly outperforming their xG on both in attack and defence. Town are almost spot on for goals conceded but are EIGHT goals below xG with a total xG of 40. That's 20%. That can be a positive or negative but to me that shows we have serious room for improvement in terms of results even if performances don't change all that much. I fully expect to see us sign a striker in January to try and address this.
Our squad is unbalanced - Very likely to see a CM come in. We have money to spend to upgrade the areas needed.
We are 21 games in. We have 25 left. We had significant squad overhaul including a record buy of a 19 year old who had to move countries and people started turning after less than 10 games. This is a marathon not a sprint.
Coventry have been unbelievable so far. In their last three games they have taken four points. In the game they won they conceded eight shots on target and the MOTM was their goalkeeper. They are not promoted yet.
You can talk about excuses all you want but we are still right up there. It's almost as if some fans are willing it to go wrong and get more enjoyment out of complaining. The underlying stats are good. Our squad is packed with quality. We have reinforcements coming. We had so long under Evans where we had no hope. I really don't understand why people can't just sit back and try to enjoy the ride. If we miss out on the top two there is a massive chance we finish in the play offs. Yes, it would be underachieving but would still be a big opportunity.
TL;DR - it's not making excuses to show a bit of patience and trust a manager who has never failed us. It's not making excuses to look at the underlying stats and understand what McKenna is saying. [Post edited 19 Dec 16:33]
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| Kieran on team building on 16:41 - Dec 19 with 1312 views | Vic |
| Kieran on team building on 15:59 - Dec 19 by rgp1 |
I think we are a team in transition. We may not go up and I think some struggle to accept that. |
I'm not actually sure it would be a good thing to go up this season. Should we do so we'll still be a developing team that will need several ey additions that will once again make transition to the Prem even more difficult.
I'm not being defeatist, but I genuinely don't think it will be the end of the world, as long as we finish the season strongly in the P/O's. |  |
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