| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again 14:17 - Dec 26 with 2872 views | Illinoisblue |
He’s been poor today |  |
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| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 18:38 - Dec 26 with 836 views | chantryblueboy |
| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 18:37 - Dec 26 by FrimleyBlue |
Disagree. Osheas a lot more progressive imo. |
Is it sherry this time of year? |  | | |
| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 18:43 - Dec 26 with 811 views | FrimleyBlue |
| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 18:38 - Dec 26 by chantryblueboy |
Is it sherry this time of year? |
Look. Stats back up my thoughts
You have yours ill have mine no problem. Football is of course a game of opinions |  |
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| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 18:54 - Dec 26 with 791 views | BloomBlue |
Reminds me of Titus Bramble, you could always guarantee Titus would give the opposition one chance at least in every game.
To be fair to O'Shea, yes he has made some poor mistakes, but his defensive ability has saved us more then once. |  | | |
| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 19:15 - Dec 26 with 779 views | Herbivore |
| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 18:37 - Dec 26 by FrimleyBlue |
Disagree. Osheas a lot more progressive imo. |
Fair enough. You're wrong on this, but fair enough. |  |
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| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 19:18 - Dec 26 with 774 views | Dubtractor |
| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 18:04 - Dec 26 by FrimleyBlue |
I think theres a lot of purposefulness blindness to the role oshea has over what wolfy was given when it comes to ball playing
Defensively oshea is miles ahead of wolfy
With the ball. Oshea is also better
The differences are simply oshea is being asked alot more to build from the back himself. He doesn't have a dropping morsy taking control of the ball off him.
You've got a cb being asked to ping diags to the flanks. Find cms in small gaps in midfield, finding those zipping ball opportunities to the front man.
Today he had an 85% pass completion rate and made the most passes in the match
Kipre had a 65% completion rate
Cajuste had 81%. Nunez 77%
So despite oshea clearly having made a few terrible balls. Overall he had another solid game out there.
Wolfy never let us down correct. That doesn't tho mean we couldn't do better and we have.
I do agree oshea gave the ball away. But in a game where he is the playmaker its to be expected. |
I'd say O'Shea is the better defender, Woolfy better with the ball.
Barely matters though, as one of them still plays for us, and the other doesn't. |  |
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| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 19:21 - Dec 26 with 768 views | Swansea_Blue |
| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 18:43 - Dec 26 by FrimleyBlue |
Look. Stats back up my thoughts
You have yours ill have mine no problem. Football is of course a game of opinions |
I had a quick look at the Coventry game stats today and he was their best (busiest?) defender by some distance. Burgess was the standout defender in the pitch in terms of stats.
Woolfy was more cultured than O’Shea imo, and I used to enjoy watching him. O’Shea is the better defender though. He’s also a lot more involved than Woolfy was in the buildup, so will no doubt have better passing stats. |  |
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| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 19:40 - Dec 26 with 725 views | LeoMuff |
| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 14:58 - Dec 26 by BseaBlue |
He either ends up as the best player on the pitch or looks a complete liability. Doesnt seem to be any middle ground. |
We kept a clean sheet today, in an away game against a play off team. Not sure how we can say he was all that bad, bar a couple of loose passes. |  |
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| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 19:59 - Dec 26 with 696 views | chantryblueboy |
| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 19:21 - Dec 26 by Swansea_Blue |
I had a quick look at the Coventry game stats today and he was their best (busiest?) defender by some distance. Burgess was the standout defender in the pitch in terms of stats.
Woolfy was more cultured than O’Shea imo, and I used to enjoy watching him. O’Shea is the better defender though. He’s also a lot more involved than Woolfy was in the buildup, so will no doubt have better passing stats. |
‘More involved’ - plays more short, aimless passes | | | |
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| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 20:18 - Dec 26 with 664 views | Swansea_Blue |
| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 19:59 - Dec 26 by chantryblueboy |
‘More involved’ - plays more short, aimless passes |
Hardly. He plays a lot of long balls. You’re probably just not aware of generally how few long balls CBs generally play. | |
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| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 21:05 - Dec 26 with 616 views | chantryblueboy |
| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 20:18 - Dec 26 by Swansea_Blue |
Hardly. He plays a lot of long balls. You’re probably just not aware of generally how few long balls CBs generally play. |
Yep, that’s it. I’ve watched plenty of other games and all the centre back ever does is play it to the right back or the other team’s striker now you mention it | | | |
| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 21:15 - Dec 26 with 596 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
O’Shea and Greaves were clearly overpays much like most of our recruitment from the EFL outside of Delap. In fact some of it has been shockingly bad for the money spent but at this point even the those that have been in denial are admitting that.
He’s a good defender at this level but not really a very great with the ball, which highlighted by our style. Not sure he’s a tru leader either.
He had the most touches of an Ipswich player today (again). |  |
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| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 21:34 - Dec 26 with 559 views | LeoMuff |
| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 21:15 - Dec 26 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
O’Shea and Greaves were clearly overpays much like most of our recruitment from the EFL outside of Delap. In fact some of it has been shockingly bad for the money spent but at this point even the those that have been in denial are admitting that.
He’s a good defender at this level but not really a very great with the ball, which highlighted by our style. Not sure he’s a tru leader either.
He had the most touches of an Ipswich player today (again). |
Don’t agree , O Shea was not an overpay, premier league defender for £12m seems reasonable to me.
Greaves was best defender in the championship when we went up and had some decent premier league games again £15m not that excessive
We have no idea on leadership really, and O Shea is one of the better players of long diagonal, and I don’t think is too bad on the ball really bar a few loose ones. | |
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| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 21:44 - Dec 26 with 547 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 21:34 - Dec 26 by LeoMuff |
Don’t agree , O Shea was not an overpay, premier league defender for £12m seems reasonable to me.
Greaves was best defender in the championship when we went up and had some decent premier league games again £15m not that excessive
We have no idea on leadership really, and O Shea is one of the better players of long diagonal, and I don’t think is too bad on the ball really bar a few loose ones. |
He’s a championship defender, same as when we brought him. Good at this level but wouldn’t be super comfortable with him in the PL to be honest, especially with how we play.
Greaves for 15M can’t can’t get into our side. There are decent starting CBs in the PL that cost less than both of them. | |
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| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 21:54 - Dec 26 with 531 views | LeoMuff |
| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 21:44 - Dec 26 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
He’s a championship defender, same as when we brought him. Good at this level but wouldn’t be super comfortable with him in the PL to be honest, especially with how we play.
Greaves for 15M can’t can’t get into our side. There are decent starting CBs in the PL that cost less than both of them. |
O Shea will be returning to the prem next season either with us or another team, he is too good for the championship. | |
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| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 22:00 - Dec 26 with 519 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 21:54 - Dec 26 by LeoMuff |
O Shea will be returning to the prem next season either with us or another team, he is too good for the championship. |
If he was too good for Championship he wouldn’t playing in it. | |
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| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 22:07 - Dec 26 with 507 views | LeoMuff |
| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 22:00 - Dec 26 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
If he was too good for Championship he wouldn’t playing in it. |
A few playing in the championship who are a step up for various reasons. Think O Shea was offered the captains role and some stability as he has been through a lot of clubs.
Maybe his family like it here or he wants to learn from McKenna, what your saying is very simplistic and imho I believe too good for the championship and would walk into any other team in this league.
Not sure people are questioning him after a decent clean sheet, two loose passes aside he was in total command. He completed his task today fully while in the final third we were lacking. | |
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| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 22:12 - Dec 26 with 500 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 22:07 - Dec 26 by LeoMuff |
A few playing in the championship who are a step up for various reasons. Think O Shea was offered the captains role and some stability as he has been through a lot of clubs.
Maybe his family like it here or he wants to learn from McKenna, what your saying is very simplistic and imho I believe too good for the championship and would walk into any other team in this league.
Not sure people are questioning him after a decent clean sheet, two loose passes aside he was in total command. He completed his task today fully while in the final third we were lacking. |
He’s good at this level just don’t think he always particularly comfortable on the ball sometimes. I don’t think Greaves and O’Shea were great business for the price tags really, I thought he was 15M as well, so spending 30-35M on them as a pair wasn’t ideal. Either way he is far from the biggest problem at the moment, just the thread was about him. | |
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| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 22:37 - Dec 26 with 460 views | 3_5_2 |
The worst part is that most of the horror giveaways were when he was not under any pressure
He was dreadful with his distribution today, a real weakness |  |
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| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 22:56 - Dec 26 with 439 views | Nutkins_Return |
| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 14:54 - Dec 26 by Herbivore |
He makes more errors in possession every game than Woolf makes in a season. |
He is much much much better than Luke Woolfenden. He's in the top 2-3 CBs in the division hands down. It wouldn't even be a debate if you got all the managers in a room and they could choose their CBs from any in the league.
Does he misplace the odd pass in a game where we're asking him to play a certain way yes. Can I live with that because of everything else he brings to the team. Yes obviously. His stats are class, we don't concede many goals comparatively in the league.
It is one reason I would still like Greaves to work his way back into the team. He does offer really good distribution and balance with the ball. | |
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| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 22:58 - Dec 26 with 437 views | StokieBlue |
| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 22:56 - Dec 26 by Nutkins_Return |
He is much much much better than Luke Woolfenden. He's in the top 2-3 CBs in the division hands down. It wouldn't even be a debate if you got all the managers in a room and they could choose their CBs from any in the league.
Does he misplace the odd pass in a game where we're asking him to play a certain way yes. Can I live with that because of everything else he brings to the team. Yes obviously. His stats are class, we don't concede many goals comparatively in the league.
It is one reason I would still like Greaves to work his way back into the team. He does offer really good distribution and balance with the ball. |
With regards to Greaves you would want that at the expense of Kipre? I think Kipres distribution has been pretty good and his defending better than what we've seen from Greaves.
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| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 23:13 - Dec 26 with 404 views | FrimleyBlue |
| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 19:59 - Dec 26 by chantryblueboy |
‘More involved’ - plays more short, aimless passes |
Do you actually watch oshea or are you just a massive fan of wolfy you're pretending to watch oshea?
The biggest difference between the two players is that Oshea plays more long balls than wolfy. Some to Philogene, some to Davis, some zipped along for azon, nunez etc
Today he made the 2nd most passes into the final third which was more than Azor and Cajuste, Davis and Nunez. Furlong played the most. | |
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| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 23:17 - Dec 26 with 384 views | FrimleyBlue |
| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 19:21 - Dec 26 by Swansea_Blue |
I had a quick look at the Coventry game stats today and he was their best (busiest?) defender by some distance. Burgess was the standout defender in the pitch in terms of stats.
Woolfy was more cultured than O’Shea imo, and I used to enjoy watching him. O’Shea is the better defender though. He’s also a lot more involved than Woolfy was in the buildup, so will no doubt have better passing stats. |
Depends what stats you look at i guess, Fotmob has Wolfy down as the worst defender on the pitch
I am glad to see Wolfy playing though, he's a solid champ defender, too good for the bench and i too enjoyed watching him | |
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| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 23:51 - Dec 26 with 333 views | Nutkins_Return |
| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 22:58 - Dec 26 by StokieBlue |
With regards to Greaves you would want that at the expense of Kipre? I think Kipres distribution has been pretty good and his defending better than what we've seen from Greaves.
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I wouldn't drop Kipre right now. Playing well. Greaves will have to take his chances and win it back. Greaves is a higher ceiling player so I'm hoping he can do it on merit.
Where I would favour Greaves is against low block teams where we will have the ball more and need to move it quickly and incisively. He is also able to join in the play further up.
Kipre right now has earn't his place. | |
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| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 01:32 - Dec 27 with 274 views | reusersfreekicks |
| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 18:04 - Dec 26 by FrimleyBlue |
I think theres a lot of purposefulness blindness to the role oshea has over what wolfy was given when it comes to ball playing
Defensively oshea is miles ahead of wolfy
With the ball. Oshea is also better
The differences are simply oshea is being asked alot more to build from the back himself. He doesn't have a dropping morsy taking control of the ball off him.
You've got a cb being asked to ping diags to the flanks. Find cms in small gaps in midfield, finding those zipping ball opportunities to the front man.
Today he had an 85% pass completion rate and made the most passes in the match
Kipre had a 65% completion rate
Cajuste had 81%. Nunez 77%
So despite oshea clearly having made a few terrible balls. Overall he had another solid game out there.
Wolfy never let us down correct. That doesn't tho mean we couldn't do better and we have.
I do agree oshea gave the ball away. But in a game where he is the playmaker its to be expected. |
Most of that makes sense but O'Shea is not better with the ball.
He gets simple passes wrong and we are at risk.
Stats don't give the whole picture |  | | |
| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 08:39 - Dec 27 with 192 views | Blue_Heath |
| O’Shea giving the ball away yet again on 22:00 - Dec 26 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
If he was too good for Championship he wouldn’t playing in it. |
Sorry but unless we go up no way a prem team is buying him. | |
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