| Entitlement 09:55 - Dec 28 with 2494 views | blueislander |
Not so long ago this forum used to scoff at the sense of entitlement shown by fans of other clubs. Now anyone visiting thhe forum would think what a load of entitled w-nkers our supporters are. |  | | |  |
| Entitlement on 13:29 - Dec 28 with 627 views | stonojnr |
| Entitlement on 12:37 - Dec 28 by mellowblue |
I really don't consider it entitlement. I consider it holding the club to account in some way. |
and in what way are you holding them to account ?
theyre doing the best they can imo, which at the moment isnt far off where we actually want to be at this stage, it would be nice if the fans were doing the best they can as well, but clearly our opinions diverge on that point :) | | | |
| Entitlement on 13:31 - Dec 28 with 627 views | NthQldITFC |
| Entitlement on 12:37 - Dec 28 by mellowblue |
I really don't consider it entitlement. I consider it holding the club to account in some way. |
'Holding the club to account' just sounds so, um... what's the word? |  |
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| Entitlement on 13:40 - Dec 28 with 608 views | monty_radio |
| Entitlement on 13:31 - Dec 28 by NthQldITFC |
'Holding the club to account' just sounds so, um... what's the word? |
Reasonable? | |
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| Entitlement on 13:54 - Dec 28 with 569 views | NthQldITFC |
| Entitlement on 13:40 - Dec 28 by monty_radio |
Reasonable? |
'Polarising', probably, in the sense that when I reflect on what I said it's a bit too much, and when I reflect on your 'Reasonable?' I think "Hmm. Not unreasonable".
And yet holding the club in third place to account does seem a bit pompous and entitled to me, even though I do feel the same frustrations that I'm sure every other town fan is feeling - we should be doing better.
I don't really know what to think.
I do think the nature of 'support' has changed a bit over the decades, but that probably reflects society and culture as much as anything, and of course is magnified greatly by online discourses such as this.
COYB is all I can say. | |
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| Entitlement on 14:10 - Dec 28 with 549 views | blueoutlook |
You are the w@Nker mate if you think this season has been good enough with the money that’s been spunked! |  | | |
| Entitlement on 14:19 - Dec 28 with 522 views | waveneyblue |
| Entitlement on 14:10 - Dec 28 by blueoutlook |
You are the w@Nker mate if you think this season has been good enough with the money that’s been spunked! |
Another absolute gem of a post.
Well done 👏 |  | | |
| Entitlement on 14:26 - Dec 28 with 504 views | itfcsuth |
| Entitlement on 14:10 - Dec 28 by blueoutlook |
You are the w@Nker mate if you think this season has been good enough with the money that’s been spunked! |
I certainly believe we are a long way away from where we want to be, but calling another person a wànkèr because they have a different football opinion on a forum is absolutely wild. |  | | |
| Entitlement on 14:27 - Dec 28 with 501 views | BloomBlue |
Spot on. Loads of entitled fans this season.
Obviously they will kick back on you with this post. Entitled fans are the first to moan they aren't allowed an opinion, but then moan you're not allowed an opinion that they are entitled. That's how it works on a forum, they are allowed an opinion, your not.
Well done, nothing wrong with highlighting entitlement. |  | | |
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| Entitlement on 14:32 - Dec 28 with 491 views | Illinoisblue |
The counter argument is that this “gee, golly gosh, we’re little ol’ Ipswich and we’re just happy to be here” stance as seen very often last season in the prem is precisely what’s holding us back. There absolutely should be pressure and expectations on players and management. The game has changed now. Our owners are ambitious. Sleepy Suffolkians need to wake up. |  |
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| Entitlement on 15:09 - Dec 28 with 429 views | franz_tyson |
| Entitlement on 14:27 - Dec 28 by BloomBlue |
Spot on. Loads of entitled fans this season.
Obviously they will kick back on you with this post. Entitled fans are the first to moan they aren't allowed an opinion, but then moan you're not allowed an opinion that they are entitled. That's how it works on a forum, they are allowed an opinion, your not.
Well done, nothing wrong with highlighting entitlement. |
That's so daft. There's a whole thread started to combat so-called "entitlement". And there's more, too. I can't see a thread or campaign trying to stifle "non-entitlement".
Look, if you're so happy and content about the style of football or the signings or the performances why not spend more time talking about those "positive" things. I hardly ever hear that. All I hear is those non-entitled folk complaining and moaning about the entitled moaners.
No offence, but I don't think many even knows what entitlement is. It just sounds like the new something to beat people with and put yourself on a pedestal.
It's obvious we've been under-par. The team hasn't clicked as we wanted and we're struggling to put performances together. What's so entitled about mentioning that?
And I'm more than happy with third place..... but let's not kid ourselves. This league is a lot more poorer than previous seasons and that's the main reason we're third. | | | |
| Entitlement on 15:15 - Dec 28 with 412 views | Churchman |
| Entitlement on 14:32 - Dec 28 by Illinoisblue |
The counter argument is that this “gee, golly gosh, we’re little ol’ Ipswich and we’re just happy to be here” stance as seen very often last season in the prem is precisely what’s holding us back. There absolutely should be pressure and expectations on players and management. The game has changed now. Our owners are ambitious. Sleepy Suffolkians need to wake up. |
I notice that you say ‘there absolutely should be pressure and expectations on players and management’. Fine, but by who? People that come on here only after what they perceive to be a poor performance? In that sentence you don’t mention encouragement, understanding or support. Not relevant?
Since when in any walk of life did anyone succeed when all they got was stick? You can make people do almost anything, but you’ll never get the best out of them. In what way was the abuse of Muric pre season when his name was announced encouraging?
How motivated was George Hirst after he was booed after getting subbed? He already knew he wasn’t playing well. He’d said so. So giving him stick achieved what? For the dismals I presume the hope was that like Muric and AAH he’d move on. That’s not pressure, that’s abuse and little different to the disgusting treatment McCarthy got at Brentford.
Getting outclassed last year had nothing whatsoever to do with ‘we are just pleased to be here’. Everyone knew the scale of the task and perhaps those who attended the games showed patience in a way keyboard FM25 warriors don’t understand because of that. How would it have helped last years team if this season’s level of derision and abuse been rolled out?
Of course there is pressure and expectations on players and management. This isn’t ‘mediocrity is the aim’ as it was under Evans. Does anyone really think the owners will settle for ‘oh well better luck next time’? It’s the same with all supporters. It’s just that the ones that don’t need to change the sheets after a disappointing result tend to in addition to criticism take a more rounded view, look for reasons and solutions.
I actually think it’s the entitled misery brigade that need to wake up. |  | | |
| Entitlement on 15:16 - Dec 28 with 408 views | jas0999 |
It’s not entitlement, but expectation, which changes as the club has developed.
Just this morning, we are reminded we paid £17.5M + £4.4M add ons for ONE PLAYER. The expectation level has therefore increased and rightly so. 2/12 points from last four away games … good enough considering the levels of investment? Not for me, or many fans. We also failed to win any of our first four away games. I wouldn’t call it entitlement … just a realistic expectation that we should have done better, | | | |
| Entitlement on 15:34 - Dec 28 with 369 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Entitlement on 15:09 - Dec 28 by franz_tyson |
That's so daft. There's a whole thread started to combat so-called "entitlement". And there's more, too. I can't see a thread or campaign trying to stifle "non-entitlement".
Look, if you're so happy and content about the style of football or the signings or the performances why not spend more time talking about those "positive" things. I hardly ever hear that. All I hear is those non-entitled folk complaining and moaning about the entitled moaners.
No offence, but I don't think many even knows what entitlement is. It just sounds like the new something to beat people with and put yourself on a pedestal.
It's obvious we've been under-par. The team hasn't clicked as we wanted and we're struggling to put performances together. What's so entitled about mentioning that?
And I'm more than happy with third place..... but let's not kid ourselves. This league is a lot more poorer than previous seasons and that's the main reason we're third. |
"Look, if you're so happy and content about the style of football or the signings or the performances why not spend more time talking about those "positive" things. I hardly ever hear that. All I hear is those non-entitled folk complaining and moaning about the entitled moaners."
You can't read the forum much if you believe a word of that. There are often comments from posters about the positives they see, and they just get leapt on by a certain clique on here.
You even expressed the same type of polarising comment in this post, which just manages to cause more antagonism, and the spiral continues. | | | |
| Entitlement on 15:40 - Dec 28 with 358 views | ITFCSG |
Want to see what real entitlement is go check out the London Stadium, Molineux or the King Power on matchday this season.
Luckily Sunderland are flying this season in the PL, I was there as a guest in the home end for a couple of games over the past 3 seasons, the abuse the Mackems give to their players at the SOL is on a totally different level when results aren't going their way or after a shite performance. Poor O'Nien. At least O'Shea doesn't get dogs' abuse and vulgarities shouted at him in and outside the ground when we play badly. | | | |
| Entitlement on 15:43 - Dec 28 with 345 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Entitlement on 15:16 - Dec 28 by jas0999 |
It’s not entitlement, but expectation, which changes as the club has developed.
Just this morning, we are reminded we paid £17.5M + £4.4M add ons for ONE PLAYER. The expectation level has therefore increased and rightly so. 2/12 points from last four away games … good enough considering the levels of investment? Not for me, or many fans. We also failed to win any of our first four away games. I wouldn’t call it entitlement … just a realistic expectation that we should have done better, |
Did anyone say any of those comments are entitlement? You're choosing unrelated, unrealistic references.
There is a difference between entitlement and expectation. Most would have expected more of a return from those games. That's a reasonable expectation. It's some of the unreasonable expectation that verges on entitlement, particularly those comments that show no respect to some of the opponents capabilities.
Yes, we should be doing better given our resources but no, we aren't entitled to batter every opponent, every week (which is what several posters seem to think). | | | |
| Entitlement on 15:44 - Dec 28 with 341 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Entitlement on 15:40 - Dec 28 by ITFCSG |
Want to see what real entitlement is go check out the London Stadium, Molineux or the King Power on matchday this season.
Luckily Sunderland are flying this season in the PL, I was there as a guest in the home end for a couple of games over the past 3 seasons, the abuse the Mackems give to their players at the SOL is on a totally different level when results aren't going their way or after a shite performance. Poor O'Nien. At least O'Shea doesn't get dogs' abuse and vulgarities shouted at him in and outside the ground when we play badly. |
"At least O'Shea doesn't get dogs' abuse and vulgarities shouted at him in and outside the ground when we play badly."
No, we save all that for Hirst, Walton, McAteer and Cajuste |  |
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| Entitlement on 15:48 - Dec 28 with 328 views | mellowblue |
| Entitlement on 13:54 - Dec 28 by NthQldITFC |
'Polarising', probably, in the sense that when I reflect on what I said it's a bit too much, and when I reflect on your 'Reasonable?' I think "Hmm. Not unreasonable".
And yet holding the club in third place to account does seem a bit pompous and entitled to me, even though I do feel the same frustrations that I'm sure every other town fan is feeling - we should be doing better.
I don't really know what to think.
I do think the nature of 'support' has changed a bit over the decades, but that probably reflects society and culture as much as anything, and of course is magnified greatly by online discourses such as this.
COYB is all I can say. |
Ha ha, I do rather sound like a school finance governor, holding the school to account. Which is what I did for 20 years on a voluntary basis. | | | |
| Entitlement on 16:25 - Dec 28 with 275 views | Illinoisblue |
| Entitlement on 15:15 - Dec 28 by Churchman |
I notice that you say ‘there absolutely should be pressure and expectations on players and management’. Fine, but by who? People that come on here only after what they perceive to be a poor performance? In that sentence you don’t mention encouragement, understanding or support. Not relevant?
Since when in any walk of life did anyone succeed when all they got was stick? You can make people do almost anything, but you’ll never get the best out of them. In what way was the abuse of Muric pre season when his name was announced encouraging?
How motivated was George Hirst after he was booed after getting subbed? He already knew he wasn’t playing well. He’d said so. So giving him stick achieved what? For the dismals I presume the hope was that like Muric and AAH he’d move on. That’s not pressure, that’s abuse and little different to the disgusting treatment McCarthy got at Brentford.
Getting outclassed last year had nothing whatsoever to do with ‘we are just pleased to be here’. Everyone knew the scale of the task and perhaps those who attended the games showed patience in a way keyboard FM25 warriors don’t understand because of that. How would it have helped last years team if this season’s level of derision and abuse been rolled out?
Of course there is pressure and expectations on players and management. This isn’t ‘mediocrity is the aim’ as it was under Evans. Does anyone really think the owners will settle for ‘oh well better luck next time’? It’s the same with all supporters. It’s just that the ones that don’t need to change the sheets after a disappointing result tend to in addition to criticism take a more rounded view, look for reasons and solutions.
I actually think it’s the entitled misery brigade that need to wake up. |
Of course booing a player doesn’t help. Never has never will. All the way back to the mid 90s and Scowcroft got dogs abuse from the North stand (harshly so as he was a far superior player to Mathie), but my comments were more about the online discussion of this season as opposed to what happens in the ground. Anyone slightly questioning why we aren’t doing better this season is immediately hit with the “entitled” accusation.
It’s not the fault of the players such as McAteer that we have spent an absurd fee on him. But it’s the reality of where we are that a 12million player should impact a game more than he has done. Rewind a couple of years and if Harness misplaces a pass there’s barely a grumble. Now it’s different.
It’s a weird season. One which I think we have a very good chance of finishing second. Imagine that. 3 promotions in 4 years. These are the days! And we’re still not happy! Maybe it’s all tied to knowing what a brutal experience the prem will be. COYB | |
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| Entitlement on 17:50 - Dec 28 with 215 views | Churchman |
| Entitlement on 16:25 - Dec 28 by Illinoisblue |
Of course booing a player doesn’t help. Never has never will. All the way back to the mid 90s and Scowcroft got dogs abuse from the North stand (harshly so as he was a far superior player to Mathie), but my comments were more about the online discussion of this season as opposed to what happens in the ground. Anyone slightly questioning why we aren’t doing better this season is immediately hit with the “entitled” accusation.
It’s not the fault of the players such as McAteer that we have spent an absurd fee on him. But it’s the reality of where we are that a 12million player should impact a game more than he has done. Rewind a couple of years and if Harness misplaces a pass there’s barely a grumble. Now it’s different.
It’s a weird season. One which I think we have a very good chance of finishing second. Imagine that. 3 promotions in 4 years. These are the days! And we’re still not happy! Maybe it’s all tied to knowing what a brutal experience the prem will be. COYB |
Social media gets back to players. We know that from Burns’ dad asking people to lay off him. And the dismals know it.
No, it’s not the players fault what is spent to bring them in. Not all are going to succeed either. The only way to not make a mistake in transfer business is to not sign anyone. As for fees, who knows what the value of a player is? Not me, any more than I know how contracts work and what is paid and when.
Say the club did spend £150m over two transfer windows. To say it’s wasted as some do is incorrect. You can only assess what wasted looks like after the player finishes his time here, what he contributed and what is recouped.
Of the transfers since Gamechanger, aside from some of the early ones like Penney, we ‘lost’ over £1m on Morsy, but didn’t because of what he contributed. We gained what £8m on Broadhead plus what he contributed. Delap and Hutchinson? Well one helped us get promoted and we gained £x and the other £y. They are the only ones we can actually judge to date.
Do I think we’ve got all transfers right? No of course not. Too many and a bit lopsided is how I see it. I struggled to see any end product from Ogbene before he was injured but he was new to the club. McAteer? I’d be interested to know why he bought him, beyond him being younger than he looks.
The rest? Profit, break even or loss, but one thing for sure is that the so called £150m will be at worst substantially recouped overall.
But I’m not really interested in that. It’s whether or not we can build a strong, balanced consistent team to succeed this season or if not, next. That needs patience and time, which it’d seem few on here are prepared to give, despite that being the pattern for KMs first team and Coventry’s this year. | | | |
| Entitlement on 18:30 - Dec 28 with 177 views | ITFCSG |
| Entitlement on 15:44 - Dec 28 by Cheltenham_Blue |
"At least O'Shea doesn't get dogs' abuse and vulgarities shouted at him in and outside the ground when we play badly."
No, we save all that for Hirst, Walton, McAteer and Cajuste |
Nonsense. Its chalk and cheese if you compare the small pockets of fans shouting at McAteer, Hirst at PR with the abuse some players (and manager) are getting at many other clubs where the abuse comes from hundreds, if not thousands of fans who don't hesitate to boo and swear during the match and wait outside the ground for another round of abuse to the departing players after a loss/draw. Portman Road at present won't even rank in the top 10 toxic stadia in the division, much as some people here think it is.
I haven't seen any abuse directed at Walton and Cajuste yet. At least on matchday.
Players can still leave the PR to sign autographs for the Junior Blues. | | | |
| Entitlement on 18:52 - Dec 28 with 139 views | Alberto_the_frog |
| Entitlement on 10:34 - Dec 28 by ashtonscoffeecup |
With the up most respect, that is total rubbish.
We have assembled a hugely expensive squad and often watch us pretty much forgo playing in the first half in the hope our "finishers" will come on to get the job done. We are watching expensive players either totally under preform, or show only 1 or 2 moments of quality. It isnt good enough, and is the reason we are 5 points off 2nd spot.
We aren't playing anywhere near the level we should be, and its being called out. I believe that to be perfectly acceptable, as long as its done in a constructive manner.
I'd be shocked, if not devastated, if our own manager its nipping his hair out at what is currently on offer. He has exceptionally high standards, and he'll not be close to happy |
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| Entitlement on 18:57 - Dec 28 with 134 views | Alberto_the_frog |
| Entitlement on 14:19 - Dec 28 by waveneyblue |
Another absolute gem of a post.
Well done 👏 |
Well, if he walks a bit more, we might have more to spunk. | | | |
| Entitlement on 00:40 - Dec 29 with 56 views | waveneyblue |
| Entitlement on 18:57 - Dec 28 by Alberto_the_frog |
Well, if he walks a bit more, we might have more to spunk. |
I cant even begin to decipher that.... | | | |
| Entitlement on 00:43 - Dec 29 with 47 views | waveneyblue |
| Entitlement on 15:15 - Dec 28 by Churchman |
I notice that you say ‘there absolutely should be pressure and expectations on players and management’. Fine, but by who? People that come on here only after what they perceive to be a poor performance? In that sentence you don’t mention encouragement, understanding or support. Not relevant?
Since when in any walk of life did anyone succeed when all they got was stick? You can make people do almost anything, but you’ll never get the best out of them. In what way was the abuse of Muric pre season when his name was announced encouraging?
How motivated was George Hirst after he was booed after getting subbed? He already knew he wasn’t playing well. He’d said so. So giving him stick achieved what? For the dismals I presume the hope was that like Muric and AAH he’d move on. That’s not pressure, that’s abuse and little different to the disgusting treatment McCarthy got at Brentford.
Getting outclassed last year had nothing whatsoever to do with ‘we are just pleased to be here’. Everyone knew the scale of the task and perhaps those who attended the games showed patience in a way keyboard FM25 warriors don’t understand because of that. How would it have helped last years team if this season’s level of derision and abuse been rolled out?
Of course there is pressure and expectations on players and management. This isn’t ‘mediocrity is the aim’ as it was under Evans. Does anyone really think the owners will settle for ‘oh well better luck next time’? It’s the same with all supporters. It’s just that the ones that don’t need to change the sheets after a disappointing result tend to in addition to criticism take a more rounded view, look for reasons and solutions.
I actually think it’s the entitled misery brigade that need to wake up. |
This is absolutely spot on.
The definition of "support" is absolutely lost on so many.
Whether its entitlement, stupidity or just the modern way of thinking, its absolutely bo1locks to me. | | | |
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