| "Bidding War for Muric" 12:47 - Jan 6 with 3933 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Was not on my 2026 ITFC bingo card. |  |
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| "Bidding War for Muric" on 14:11 - Jan 6 with 1078 views | eirannach_gorm |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 12:48 - Jan 6 by Zx1988 |
Wouldn't that be a fun return to the banter era.
Goalkeeper hounded out by fans ends up playing for Juventus in the Champions League. |
Remember a certain Damien 'Donkey' Delaney who went on to play for 6 years in the Premiership? |  | | |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 14:14 - Jan 6 with 1067 views | Blooos |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 13:34 - Jan 6 by FrimleyBlue |
Not rewritten, he made many spectacular saves, was excellent commanding his area, claiming balls and at corners was a massive help in our defensive qualities on them - our side got worse without him in it
he did however fk up a fair number of times too, that's not to be forgotten and can't be
Palmer and walton have faired similar with fk ups imo, but have had 0 moans about either of them doing so.
Muric should be our current no.1 but many fans wouldn't give him time, and he hated his time here. |
Bemused by some of the comments on this thread, I do not condone booing him for a start, but he was absolutely atrocious for us. Most errors leading to goals in the league and he played 50% of the games. He is a large reason for us being relegated.
Some players just dont work out at certain clubs. | | | |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 14:19 - Jan 6 with 1040 views | Herbivore |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 14:08 - Jan 6 by FrimleyBlue |
Walton is playing a lower level, a different style of play and still passes it to opponents at times, he's also been lobbed from 70 yards.
Palmer, weekly gave the ball away, and he never seemed to actually save a shot either, it seemed every shot was a goal.
BTW im not saying muric was the be and all and end all, but he was and is still better than the two we have played since we dropped then let him leave.
Muric with this style and this better defensive line and this better team dynamic would have been a beast this season imo. |
We're not playing a different style of play, Walton is still expected to be heavily involved with the ball at his feet and he looks far more capable at that part of the game than Muric did. Palmer made zero errors leading to goals in the Prem last session, same with Walton. Appreciate that there are aspects of Muric's game where he's superior but I can't agree that he's a better candidate to play in goal for us overall when he's so prone to frequent catastrophic errors. |  |
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| "Bidding War for Muric" on 14:21 - Jan 6 with 1036 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 14:14 - Jan 6 by Blooos |
Bemused by some of the comments on this thread, I do not condone booing him for a start, but he was absolutely atrocious for us. Most errors leading to goals in the league and he played 50% of the games. He is a large reason for us being relegated.
Some players just dont work out at certain clubs. |
"...he played 50% of the games. He is a large reason for us being relegated."
Hard to justify that claim, when we claimed 70% of our points haul in that 50% of the season. Our PPG was much higher with Muric in goal (although still not great).
Of course it's impossible to know all the reasons why the points distribution was like that, but although Muric did lose us points, there's good evidence that he gained us more than he lost with some of his incredible saves. | | | |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 14:24 - Jan 6 with 1028 views | Herbivore |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 14:11 - Jan 6 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Either of these could be true - was Muric one of the reasons we were doing better before Xmas, or was it that the team enabled better stats for the 'keeper. We'll now never know, but without a doubt Muric is better in most respects than either Palmer or Walton, and had we been able to work with him longer, to reduce his weaknesses, we could have ended up with a top 'keeper.
Unfortunately that boat has sailed, and when we do return to the PL, we'll need to find a new 'keeper, and that's going to require tens of millions to do. |
As a ST holder who saw a decent number of our away games too, I don't think our better record in the first half of the season was attributable to Muric's performances. In fact I think with more of a steady but unspectacular option in goal we'd have had more points in the bag come January, but of course it's not possible to prove that one way or the other. I'm also not convinced that Muric's weaknesses are easily coachable as they are about his mentality and decision making as opposed to being primarily technical flaws. | |
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| "Bidding War for Muric" on 19:42 - Jan 6 with 881 views | management |
Juventas will have first hand evidence tonight as they play against Muric's side, will be interesting if he has a stormer. | | | |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 20:04 - Jan 6 with 833 views | Churchman |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 14:19 - Jan 6 by Herbivore |
We're not playing a different style of play, Walton is still expected to be heavily involved with the ball at his feet and he looks far more capable at that part of the game than Muric did. Palmer made zero errors leading to goals in the Prem last session, same with Walton. Appreciate that there are aspects of Muric's game where he's superior but I can't agree that he's a better candidate to play in goal for us overall when he's so prone to frequent catastrophic errors. |
Each keeper has slightly different strengths and weaknesses. Muric is a big man and a big character. Very athletic and has a lot more potential than the other two. Yes, he made errors. But I believe part of that was down to the abuse our finest dished up right from the off. His biggest crime was that he wasn’t Hladky, Muric struck me as very much a confidence player and as such get-able to.
Walton and Palmer seem more ‘solid’ personalities and are decent enough. Of the two, Walton is the better in my opinion. Do they make errors? All keepers do. It’s the nature of that position. The first game I saw Palmer play he air kicked Gunn style and narrowly missed conceding comedy goal of the season.
I think Muric was a better candidate to play in goal for us but most certainly isn’t now. His time with us is done.
I have to say none of them is close to Carl Rushworth. He looks a superb keeper. |  | | |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 20:17 - Jan 6 with 816 views | Perublue |
Just suffered a beautiful OG from his defender… Muric not at fault though. |  |
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| "Bidding War for Muric" on 20:18 - Jan 6 with 810 views | jas0999 |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 12:48 - Jan 6 by Zx1988 |
Wouldn't that be a fun return to the banter era.
Goalkeeper hounded out by fans ends up playing for Juventus in the Champions League. |
Good keeper. Just didn’t work here. Happens. But still think he’s our best keeper. By a mile. | | | |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 20:21 - Jan 6 with 804 views | Herbivore |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 20:04 - Jan 6 by Churchman |
Each keeper has slightly different strengths and weaknesses. Muric is a big man and a big character. Very athletic and has a lot more potential than the other two. Yes, he made errors. But I believe part of that was down to the abuse our finest dished up right from the off. His biggest crime was that he wasn’t Hladky, Muric struck me as very much a confidence player and as such get-able to.
Walton and Palmer seem more ‘solid’ personalities and are decent enough. Of the two, Walton is the better in my opinion. Do they make errors? All keepers do. It’s the nature of that position. The first game I saw Palmer play he air kicked Gunn style and narrowly missed conceding comedy goal of the season.
I think Muric was a better candidate to play in goal for us but most certainly isn’t now. His time with us is done.
I have to say none of them is close to Carl Rushworth. He looks a superb keeper. |
Rushworth looks very good, I also like the look of Charles at Sheffield Wednesday. Can't fully agree that it's the fans' fault that Muric struggled here, he gifted Man City two goals in his first game for us and that had nothing to do with the fans. It was only after several more big errors that fans fully turned on him. I don't agree with the abuse he got or booing him in preseason but the fans had good reason to be deeply concerned about him given his propensity for big errors. | |
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| "Bidding War for Muric" on 20:27 - Jan 6 with 797 views | Perublue |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 20:18 - Jan 6 by jas0999 |
Good keeper. Just didn’t work here. Happens. But still think he’s our best keeper. By a mile. |
Yep ,personally I really have little doubt he is our best keeper by a long way and would be outstanding in the championship but inconsistent in the Prem… and serie A is not the Prem as we can see from how many players thrive there that haven’t here..and magnified in the last few seasons.
For all his quality there are issues around him and there constantly seems to be and you just don’t need that however unfairly our fans treated him.
This is a bonus we were not perhaps expecting so good luck and move on. | |
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| "Bidding War for Muric" on 20:56 - Jan 6 with 740 views | StokieBlue |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 20:21 - Jan 6 by Herbivore |
Rushworth looks very good, I also like the look of Charles at Sheffield Wednesday. Can't fully agree that it's the fans' fault that Muric struggled here, he gifted Man City two goals in his first game for us and that had nothing to do with the fans. It was only after several more big errors that fans fully turned on him. I don't agree with the abuse he got or booing him in preseason but the fans had good reason to be deeply concerned about him given his propensity for big errors. |
Second Tier thought Charles would be available for a reduced price as the takeover is going to take a while.
Looks very good, especially with regards to his passing.
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| "Bidding War for Muric" on 21:19 - Jan 6 with 697 views | Smoresy |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 14:14 - Jan 6 by Blooos |
Bemused by some of the comments on this thread, I do not condone booing him for a start, but he was absolutely atrocious for us. Most errors leading to goals in the league and he played 50% of the games. He is a large reason for us being relegated.
Some players just dont work out at certain clubs. |
Muric combined terrible errors with a good save percentage. Palmer & Walton combined steadier heads with poor save percentages. Their performances probably even out when you consider the full picture, how many we conceded because X or Y or Z was between the sticks, but Muric's faults were impossible to miss. There's little sense in understanding what went down in pre-season, beyond that we have plenty of thick people following the club.
We were relegated because of our keepers, defenders, midfielders and attackers. Not one department met the level, which is set very high. | | | |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 00:06 - Jan 7 with 624 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 20:04 - Jan 6 by Churchman |
Each keeper has slightly different strengths and weaknesses. Muric is a big man and a big character. Very athletic and has a lot more potential than the other two. Yes, he made errors. But I believe part of that was down to the abuse our finest dished up right from the off. His biggest crime was that he wasn’t Hladky, Muric struck me as very much a confidence player and as such get-able to.
Walton and Palmer seem more ‘solid’ personalities and are decent enough. Of the two, Walton is the better in my opinion. Do they make errors? All keepers do. It’s the nature of that position. The first game I saw Palmer play he air kicked Gunn style and narrowly missed conceding comedy goal of the season.
I think Muric was a better candidate to play in goal for us but most certainly isn’t now. His time with us is done.
I have to say none of them is close to Carl Rushworth. He looks a superb keeper. |
Ah, the "yeah but Palmer was nearly directly responsible for conceding a stupid goal once" line. Factor in the stupid goals Muric was nearly directly responsible for conceding in addition to the stupid goals he was directly responsible for conceding and he loses on that too.
As others have already said, the abuse he got was unforgivable (why it'd even occur to anyone to do that in a friendly is beyond me) but to blame fans for the way he played "from the off" is just wrong. McK's style of play needs football to be played with the brain as much as the feet, and whilst Muric can make a reflex save with the best of them, he proved time and again that if he has a moment to think, he's highly likely to do something stupid. Hence trying to dribble round Savinho within 15 minutes of his debut and immediately being responsible for conceding a goal. Hence staring gormlessly at the semi-shot Mbeumo wafted from 25 yards until it just dropped past him and lost us the match. Hence any number of hospital passes to closely-marked players making decoy runs specifically to leave better passes on. It would have been great if that was coachable, but seemingly it isn't.
Looks like plenty of good reflex saves in his games for Sassuolo. Good for him. | | | |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 07:16 - Jan 7 with 553 views | Swansea_Blue |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 13:10 - Jan 6 by Dubtractor |
Yeah, audible booing when he came on in the Charlton friendly at Colchester. Some of our 'supporters' are utter tools. |
“Tools” is far too polite. We’d be better off without them. |  |
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| "Bidding War for Muric" on 08:25 - Jan 7 with 507 views | Churchman |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 00:06 - Jan 7 by FoghornGleghorn |
Ah, the "yeah but Palmer was nearly directly responsible for conceding a stupid goal once" line. Factor in the stupid goals Muric was nearly directly responsible for conceding in addition to the stupid goals he was directly responsible for conceding and he loses on that too.
As others have already said, the abuse he got was unforgivable (why it'd even occur to anyone to do that in a friendly is beyond me) but to blame fans for the way he played "from the off" is just wrong. McK's style of play needs football to be played with the brain as much as the feet, and whilst Muric can make a reflex save with the best of them, he proved time and again that if he has a moment to think, he's highly likely to do something stupid. Hence trying to dribble round Savinho within 15 minutes of his debut and immediately being responsible for conceding a goal. Hence staring gormlessly at the semi-shot Mbeumo wafted from 25 yards until it just dropped past him and lost us the match. Hence any number of hospital passes to closely-marked players making decoy runs specifically to leave better passes on. It would have been great if that was coachable, but seemingly it isn't.
Looks like plenty of good reflex saves in his games for Sassuolo. Good for him. |
That was the first instance I remember. Memories kind of blur without literally going back through games and I’m certainly not bothering to do that. Yes, Muric had an error in him (too many for a team fighting the odds in the Premier), but I still believe the haters were on him from the off because he cost a fee and Hladky was a favourite and gone. That was Muric’s crime.
Hladky’s distribution was great - most of the time. He screwed it up now and again just as you’d expect given the keeper is last line of the defence and how KM likes the team to play out. The team were getting caught out towards the end of the promotion season on more than one occasion passing around at the back but who cared? We were scoring and winning for fun.
Hladky was also not a great keeper. Not because he couldn’t make saves but for me he bounced about behind the defence. He never commanded it or his area. He’s made one appearance for Burnley in a season and a half. There’s a reason for that.
Muric, because he cost money, was subject to laser like criticism to the point of some actually wanting him to fail. An over dramatic statement? Well, if you abuse a player when his name is announced in a pre season friendly, you are hardly encouraging him to have a good game.
Overall though, while I’ll defend Muric he wasn’t a good signing because however you analyse it, it just didn’t work out here. The club would have been better off giving Walton the spot, bringing in a Palmer style keeper as back up and using the balance of the Muric money on a half decent midfielder, the lack of which killed us last season more than anything else - in my opinion. | | | |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 09:43 - Jan 7 with 449 views | DanTheMan |
He's probably the best GK at the club but I think his weaknesses really show in struggling sides which is why he didn't look good for us. I wonder as well whether the pace of the Premier League vs. Serie A may make him better suited for football in Italy or other countries where it isn't so full on. [Post edited 7 Jan 13:17]
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| "Bidding War for Muric" on 10:11 - Jan 7 with 409 views | Pinewoodblue |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 09:43 - Jan 7 by DanTheMan |
He's probably the best GK at the club but I think his weaknesses really show in struggling sides which is why he didn't look good for us. I wonder as well whether the pace of the Premier League vs. Serie A may make him better suited for football in Italy or other countries where it isn't so full on. [Post edited 7 Jan 13:17]
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Despite the shoreline it looks as if Muric had a good game yesterday.
https://www.juventus.com/en/news/articles/bianconeri-take-the-points-from-sassuo |  |
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| "Bidding War for Muric" on 11:21 - Jan 7 with 349 views | FoghornGleghorn |
Nice, I didn't sea that one. | | | |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 11:32 - Jan 7 with 331 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 08:25 - Jan 7 by Churchman |
That was the first instance I remember. Memories kind of blur without literally going back through games and I’m certainly not bothering to do that. Yes, Muric had an error in him (too many for a team fighting the odds in the Premier), but I still believe the haters were on him from the off because he cost a fee and Hladky was a favourite and gone. That was Muric’s crime.
Hladky’s distribution was great - most of the time. He screwed it up now and again just as you’d expect given the keeper is last line of the defence and how KM likes the team to play out. The team were getting caught out towards the end of the promotion season on more than one occasion passing around at the back but who cared? We were scoring and winning for fun.
Hladky was also not a great keeper. Not because he couldn’t make saves but for me he bounced about behind the defence. He never commanded it or his area. He’s made one appearance for Burnley in a season and a half. There’s a reason for that.
Muric, because he cost money, was subject to laser like criticism to the point of some actually wanting him to fail. An over dramatic statement? Well, if you abuse a player when his name is announced in a pre season friendly, you are hardly encouraging him to have a good game.
Overall though, while I’ll defend Muric he wasn’t a good signing because however you analyse it, it just didn’t work out here. The club would have been better off giving Walton the spot, bringing in a Palmer style keeper as back up and using the balance of the Muric money on a half decent midfielder, the lack of which killed us last season more than anything else - in my opinion. |
Totally agree with your last paragraph, and interesting as always to see how perspectives differ; I never got the sense Hladky was any sort of favourite (keepers rarely are, and he was ultimately just mostly solid in goal for one of the two super-seasons, and chose to leave), and if that'd been the case surely we'd have expected to see resentment at the likes of Harry Clarke and Tuanzebe coming in in place of Donacien, or Greaves in place of Burgess/Edmundson, but we didn't. Quite the opposite in fact, with Greaves getting nothing but praise when he started so strongly, and with that only fading and negative reaction creeping in once his performances wobbled and ended up no better than either of the others had been. That's what I saw happen with Muric, the difference being he was playing like a lunatic right off the bat. But yes, whatever had gone before, he looked nervous at the best of times so god knows what anyone thought would happen when they booed him, ridiculous. | | | |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 11:36 - Jan 7 with 314 views | Blooos |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 20:56 - Jan 6 by StokieBlue |
Second Tier thought Charles would be available for a reduced price as the takeover is going to take a while.
Looks very good, especially with regards to his passing.
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Thought Charles looked way too small when we played against them | | | |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 11:38 - Jan 7 with 306 views | Radlett_blue |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 09:43 - Jan 7 by DanTheMan |
He's probably the best GK at the club but I think his weaknesses really show in struggling sides which is why he didn't look good for us. I wonder as well whether the pace of the Premier League vs. Serie A may make him better suited for football in Italy or other countries where it isn't so full on. [Post edited 7 Jan 13:17]
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Definitely, especially as we were often put under so much pressure last season, especially early on when we were still trying to play out from the back. That would have been hard for any keeper.
Muric also made a couple of dreadful decisions which cost us points e.g. at Brentford & at home to Bournemouth & those didn't help the crowd's or the team's confidence in him. |  |
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| "Bidding War for Muric" on 11:41 - Jan 7 with 288 views | StokieBlue |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 11:36 - Jan 7 by Blooos |
Thought Charles looked way too small when we played against them |
He's 6 foot 1 apparently.
Pretty much the same height as Rushworth who many see as the best keeper in the Champ this year.
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| "Bidding War for Muric" on 15:20 - Jan 7 with 147 views | Churchman |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 11:32 - Jan 7 by FoghornGleghorn |
Totally agree with your last paragraph, and interesting as always to see how perspectives differ; I never got the sense Hladky was any sort of favourite (keepers rarely are, and he was ultimately just mostly solid in goal for one of the two super-seasons, and chose to leave), and if that'd been the case surely we'd have expected to see resentment at the likes of Harry Clarke and Tuanzebe coming in in place of Donacien, or Greaves in place of Burgess/Edmundson, but we didn't. Quite the opposite in fact, with Greaves getting nothing but praise when he started so strongly, and with that only fading and negative reaction creeping in once his performances wobbled and ended up no better than either of the others had been. That's what I saw happen with Muric, the difference being he was playing like a lunatic right off the bat. But yes, whatever had gone before, he looked nervous at the best of times so god knows what anyone thought would happen when they booed him, ridiculous. |
Agree. Differing perspectives make for a good old debate. A good thing!
Mine on Hladky was that he was not a great keeper. Decent shot stopper and great at passing out. We had such a good attack, half the time we could have put an outfield player in goal and still won!
Am I right or wrong on the Hladky/Muric front? Well who knows because it’s all opinions when all is said and done. | | | |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 15:26 - Jan 7 with 129 views | DJR |
| "Bidding War for Muric" on 11:41 - Jan 7 by StokieBlue |
He's 6 foot 1 apparently.
Pretty much the same height as Rushworth who many see as the best keeper in the Champ this year.
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Jordan Pickford is 6ft 1in too, and he has 81 caps for England. |  | | |
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