| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) 09:27 - Jan 25 with 8667 views | gtsb1966 |
You just know they will. It will then lead to infighting and the party tearing itself apart. Starmer is so unpopular he is toast so just let him stand. If they block him that's one vote they've lost whatever happens in the future.
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| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 12:27 - Jan 25 with 1199 views | StokieBlue |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 12:15 - Jan 25 by DanTheMan |
Utter fools. |
May as well just make Farage PM now.
Labour seem intent on helping Reform as much as they can.
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| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 12:31 - Jan 25 with 1188 views | leitrimblue |
Hopefully this rips Labour apart.
In this form their not fit for purpose.
Prime minister Farage incoming |  | | |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 12:40 - Jan 25 with 1139 views | GlasgowBlue |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 12:27 - Jan 25 by StokieBlue |
May as well just make Farage PM now.
Labour seem intent on helping Reform as much as they can.
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| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 12:59 - Jan 25 with 1094 views | Zx1988 |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 12:40 - Jan 25 by GlasgowBlue |
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As someone in the comments has suggested, it would be interesting to see what happens if another safe seat MP resigns for Burnham, and the NEC has to block his nomination again (and again, and again...). |  |
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| They'll block him on 13:05 - Jan 25 with 1072 views | iamatractorboy |
| They'll block him on 10:58 - Jan 25 by Benters |
As I’ve said daily I really can’t stand Starmer but Jeez look at who would take over it could go from bad to worse. |
I agree... it could be Farage taking over, and that will be a thousand times worse. | | | |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 13:14 - Jan 25 with 1041 views | DJR |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 12:01 - Jan 25 by GlasgowBlue |
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Things like this were inevitable once they got full control of the party and the NEC. It was this that enabled them to handpick appropriate candidates for the General Election, a major factor in my resigning from the party, because what's the point of being a member of the party if you don't have any say.
In this sense, they are much more Stalinist than Corbyn ever was.
As it has turned out, those they handpicked haven't been as malleable as they hoped not least because their seats are at stake. And I could see a scenario in which the position for Labour becomes so bad, that politically the NEC cannot ignore the views of MPs and members. But whether a seat for Burnham is available is another matter, and I don't see Streeting, Rayner or Mahmood as the answer.
As it is, I still get an account of NEC meetings from a constituency member of the NEC, so will be interested to see her account of today's meeting, assuming it isn't embargoed. [Post edited 25 Jan 14:00]
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| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 15:01 - Jan 25 with 941 views | DJR |
This sums up my feelings well.
MP for Poole, Neil Duncan-Jordan, also said: “The strength of the labour movement lies in its pluralist broad church. The authoritarian factionalism of the labour right is tearing us apart. This must be reversed. Our members expect us to come together to beat Reform. This stitch-up puts control before country."
"Those who have orchestrated this outcome are happy to destroy the Labour Party because of their deep seated factionalism. We’ve seen this before when some individuals were actively working against us winning. We’re rapidly losing all sense of reason.” | | | |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 15:05 - Jan 25 with 922 views | gtsb1966 |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 15:01 - Jan 25 by DJR |
This sums up my feelings well.
MP for Poole, Neil Duncan-Jordan, also said: “The strength of the labour movement lies in its pluralist broad church. The authoritarian factionalism of the labour right is tearing us apart. This must be reversed. Our members expect us to come together to beat Reform. This stitch-up puts control before country."
"Those who have orchestrated this outcome are happy to destroy the Labour Party because of their deep seated factionalism. We’ve seen this before when some individuals were actively working against us winning. We’re rapidly losing all sense of reason.” |
Starmer voted against Burnham. For that reason I'll never vote Labour again whilst he is prime minister. He's a coward. | | | |
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| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 15:10 - Jan 25 with 901 views | Swansea_Blue |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 15:01 - Jan 25 by DJR |
This sums up my feelings well.
MP for Poole, Neil Duncan-Jordan, also said: “The strength of the labour movement lies in its pluralist broad church. The authoritarian factionalism of the labour right is tearing us apart. This must be reversed. Our members expect us to come together to beat Reform. This stitch-up puts control before country."
"Those who have orchestrated this outcome are happy to destroy the Labour Party because of their deep seated factionalism. We’ve seen this before when some individuals were actively working against us winning. We’re rapidly losing all sense of reason.” |
That’s how I see it. They’re absolute idiots. Do you think it’s a case of political strategy genius McSweeney calling the shots again or is this more likely to be driven by Starmer over fears of a challenge?
Whoever is coming up with their strategy couldn’t be getting things more wrong. I don’t think polls are showing any gains in support from Reform voters, yet they’re haemorrhaging support to the Greens, LDs, and Plaid here in Wales.
This looks like another nail in the coffin for Labour. It’s crossing over here into Welsh politics too, which is quite rare. English Labour are likely to
Kill off all their devolved parties too at this rate. |  |
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| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 15:17 - Jan 25 with 870 views | Herbivore |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 15:01 - Jan 25 by DJR |
This sums up my feelings well.
MP for Poole, Neil Duncan-Jordan, also said: “The strength of the labour movement lies in its pluralist broad church. The authoritarian factionalism of the labour right is tearing us apart. This must be reversed. Our members expect us to come together to beat Reform. This stitch-up puts control before country."
"Those who have orchestrated this outcome are happy to destroy the Labour Party because of their deep seated factionalism. We’ve seen this before when some individuals were actively working against us winning. We’re rapidly losing all sense of reason.” |
It's amazing how they've managed to so closely mirror the most recent version of the Tory government even down to being pulled apart by functionalism while boasting a huge majority. Add in the u-turns, the general lack of competence, the over reliance on being mean to immigrants, and it's easy to see why people feel there's no point voting for the two major parties anymore. If Labour don't offer an alternative, there's very little point to them. |  |
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| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 15:21 - Jan 25 with 855 views | DJR |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 15:10 - Jan 25 by Swansea_Blue |
That’s how I see it. They’re absolute idiots. Do you think it’s a case of political strategy genius McSweeney calling the shots again or is this more likely to be driven by Starmer over fears of a challenge?
Whoever is coming up with their strategy couldn’t be getting things more wrong. I don’t think polls are showing any gains in support from Reform voters, yet they’re haemorrhaging support to the Greens, LDs, and Plaid here in Wales.
This looks like another nail in the coffin for Labour. It’s crossing over here into Welsh politics too, which is quite rare. English Labour are likely to
Kill off all their devolved parties too at this rate. |
McSweeney has been the driving force throughout (along with people like Reed), and I sense part of the problem is that Starmer, unlike Blair, doesn't have much in the way of political nous himself.
But the Ming vase strategy didn't even work in its own terms because at a time when the Tories were so unpopular, Labour only got 33% of the vote, not good foundations for when the going got tough, as it inevitably did.
In my view, their sole purpose was to destroy the left and get elected, and they clearly had no real strategy for government which after 14 years in opposition is inexcusable.
And when things went wrong they blamed Sue Gray when the real problem was with them. And now they are desperately trying to maintain their factional control, not really aware of the damage they are doing to the Labour Party.
As I've said of McSweeney before, He's not the Messiah, he's just a very naughty boy.
But not surprisingly, I don't think this recently published book got much publicity.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fraud [Post edited 25 Jan 15:32]
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| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 15:38 - Jan 25 with 806 views | Swansea_Blue |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 15:21 - Jan 25 by DJR |
McSweeney has been the driving force throughout (along with people like Reed), and I sense part of the problem is that Starmer, unlike Blair, doesn't have much in the way of political nous himself.
But the Ming vase strategy didn't even work in its own terms because at a time when the Tories were so unpopular, Labour only got 33% of the vote, not good foundations for when the going got tough, as it inevitably did.
In my view, their sole purpose was to destroy the left and get elected, and they clearly had no real strategy for government which after 14 years in opposition is inexcusable.
And when things went wrong they blamed Sue Gray when the real problem was with them. And now they are desperately trying to maintain their factional control, not really aware of the damage they are doing to the Labour Party.
As I've said of McSweeney before, He's not the Messiah, he's just a very naughty boy.
But not surprisingly, I don't think this recently published book got much publicity.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fraud [Post edited 25 Jan 15:32]
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Thanks for your reply. It seems like such a wasted opportunity both for Labour and the country. I can’t understand why they would think their approach works. From the public’s point of view, I agree with Herbs; what’s the point of Labour if they’re too similar to the outgoing, hated Tories? As he says, no wonder people are disillusioned.
I voted for them last time to get the Tories out. I’ve no regrets, as despite how poor Labour have been they are better in some areas. They were the only alternative, so I think we had to go through this stage. But they’ve been a disappointment and could have been so much better. I will be switching my vote to the least looney out of whoever stands who isn’t Reform/Tory/Labour. The only way I’d consider voting Labour is if they change the leadership and have a complete reset. Even then they’d have to do a lot to win back some trust. | |
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| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 15:55 - Jan 25 with 763 views | jasondozzell |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 15:38 - Jan 25 by Swansea_Blue |
Thanks for your reply. It seems like such a wasted opportunity both for Labour and the country. I can’t understand why they would think their approach works. From the public’s point of view, I agree with Herbs; what’s the point of Labour if they’re too similar to the outgoing, hated Tories? As he says, no wonder people are disillusioned.
I voted for them last time to get the Tories out. I’ve no regrets, as despite how poor Labour have been they are better in some areas. They were the only alternative, so I think we had to go through this stage. But they’ve been a disappointment and could have been so much better. I will be switching my vote to the least looney out of whoever stands who isn’t Reform/Tory/Labour. The only way I’d consider voting Labour is if they change the leadership and have a complete reset. Even then they’d have to do a lot to win back some trust. |
Well they will change the leadership. It'll be to Streeting after May.
All of this was predictable from around 2020 when it became apparent what the Starmer project really was.
Net result Reform. [Post edited 25 Jan 15:56]
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| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 16:00 - Jan 25 with 749 views | Clapham_Junction |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 13:14 - Jan 25 by DJR |
Things like this were inevitable once they got full control of the party and the NEC. It was this that enabled them to handpick appropriate candidates for the General Election, a major factor in my resigning from the party, because what's the point of being a member of the party if you don't have any say.
In this sense, they are much more Stalinist than Corbyn ever was.
As it has turned out, those they handpicked haven't been as malleable as they hoped not least because their seats are at stake. And I could see a scenario in which the position for Labour becomes so bad, that politically the NEC cannot ignore the views of MPs and members. But whether a seat for Burnham is available is another matter, and I don't see Streeting, Rayner or Mahmood as the answer.
As it is, I still get an account of NEC meetings from a constituency member of the NEC, so will be interested to see her account of today's meeting, assuming it isn't embargoed. [Post edited 25 Jan 14:00]
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I think it's more than likely that the NEC will ignore those views. We've already seen that the right would rather burn the party to the ground and lose elections than have a left-wing leader. |  | | |
| They'll block him on 16:07 - Jan 25 with 732 views | Benters |
| They'll block him on 11:13 - Jan 25 by eireblue |
Feels vs reals is the problem.
As Benter’s constantly reminds us, he hates things. As do many reform voters.
They will vote for any loudmouth that hates the same things, and validates their hates.
Plenty will support Tice. |
Yes I like Richard Tice. |  |
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| They'll block him on 16:15 - Jan 25 with 719 views | Benters |
| They'll block him on 11:19 - Jan 25 by redrickstuhaart |
What are teh worst three things Starmer has done. And what would Burnham do that is worse? |
Stitched the pensioners up.
Stitched the farmers up.
Tried his hardest to give the Chagos Islands away.
All this while the rubber boat men live in four star luxury costing millions a day.
Andy Burnham
looks shifty to me,apparently he doesn’t like Tunnocks Tea Cakes either ffs! [Post edited 25 Jan 16:22]
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| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 16:16 - Jan 25 with 715 views | Benters |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 15:05 - Jan 25 by gtsb1966 |
Starmer voted against Burnham. For that reason I'll never vote Labour again whilst he is prime minister. He's a coward. |
At last you are seeing the light Brother 😚 | |
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| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 16:24 - Jan 25 with 697 views | Plums |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 15:10 - Jan 25 by Swansea_Blue |
That’s how I see it. They’re absolute idiots. Do you think it’s a case of political strategy genius McSweeney calling the shots again or is this more likely to be driven by Starmer over fears of a challenge?
Whoever is coming up with their strategy couldn’t be getting things more wrong. I don’t think polls are showing any gains in support from Reform voters, yet they’re haemorrhaging support to the Greens, LDs, and Plaid here in Wales.
This looks like another nail in the coffin for Labour. It’s crossing over here into Welsh politics too, which is quite rare. English Labour are likely to
Kill off all their devolved parties too at this rate. |
The Tories put party before country and blew themselves up.
Labour are following suit.
When people who don't think very hard are claiming all politicians are the same and voting for any gobsh1te who lines up behind that, it's not a very bright idea to prove it to them.
Unless one or more of the major media outlets turns on Farage, we're doomed. |  |
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| They'll block him on 16:28 - Jan 25 with 670 views | GlasgowBlue |
| They'll block him on 16:15 - Jan 25 by Benters |
Stitched the pensioners up.
Stitched the farmers up.
Tried his hardest to give the Chagos Islands away.
All this while the rubber boat men live in four star luxury costing millions a day.
Andy Burnham
looks shifty to me,apparently he doesn’t like Tunnocks Tea Cakes either ffs! [Post edited 25 Jan 16:22]
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How does the Chagos Islands deal directly affect you Benters? And the process was started under the last Tory government. | |
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| They'll block him on 16:32 - Jan 25 with 644 views | Mullet |
| They'll block him on 16:28 - Jan 25 by GlasgowBlue |
How does the Chagos Islands deal directly affect you Benters? And the process was started under the last Tory government. |
Please don't feed the troll. |  |
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| They'll block him on 16:32 - Jan 25 with 642 views | Plums |
| They'll block him on 16:28 - Jan 25 by GlasgowBlue |
How does the Chagos Islands deal directly affect you Benters? And the process was started under the last Tory government. |
For those interested, this is an excellent book on the subject.
We used to uphold international law, not wilfully breach it.
https://amzn.eu/d/hr71MEB | |
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| They'll block him on 16:33 - Jan 25 with 642 views | StokieBlue |
| They'll block him on 16:15 - Jan 25 by Benters |
Stitched the pensioners up.
Stitched the farmers up.
Tried his hardest to give the Chagos Islands away.
All this while the rubber boat men live in four star luxury costing millions a day.
Andy Burnham
looks shifty to me,apparently he doesn’t like Tunnocks Tea Cakes either ffs! [Post edited 25 Jan 16:22]
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We're immigrants to the Chagos islands, surely given your views on the UK and immigration you're all for returning places to the indigenous population?
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| They'll block him on 16:39 - Jan 25 with 617 views | iamatractorboy |
| They'll block him on 16:33 - Jan 25 by StokieBlue |
We're immigrants to the Chagos islands, surely given your views on the UK and immigration you're all for returning places to the indigenous population?
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Don't go using things like logic on a right winger, it's doomed to fail. | | | |
| They'll block him on 16:53 - Jan 25 with 586 views | Benters |
| They'll block him on 16:28 - Jan 25 by GlasgowBlue |
How does the Chagos Islands deal directly affect you Benters? And the process was started under the last Tory government. |
Our protection innit. | |
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| They'll block him on 17:05 - Jan 25 with 554 views | eireblue |
| They'll block him on 16:53 - Jan 25 by Benters |
Our protection innit. |
Not, init.
You do know where they are and what the base is used for? |  | | |
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