| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) 09:27 - Jan 25 with 8658 views | gtsb1966 |
You just know they will. It will then lead to infighting and the party tearing itself apart. Starmer is so unpopular he is toast so just let him stand. If they block him that's one vote they've lost whatever happens in the future.
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| They'll block him on 17:06 - Jan 25 with 884 views | StokieBlue |
| They'll block him on 16:53 - Jan 25 by Benters |
Our protection innit. |
Given we secured a 99 year lease to keep the airbases what protection would we be losing returning the islands to the indigenous people?
And whom are we being protected from owning islands and bases in the southern Indian ocean? It's not exactly on the flightpath from anywhere to the UK.
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| They'll block him on 17:14 - Jan 25 with 840 views | iamatractorboy |
| They'll block him on 17:06 - Jan 25 by StokieBlue |
Given we secured a 99 year lease to keep the airbases what protection would we be losing returning the islands to the indigenous people?
And whom are we being protected from owning islands and bases in the southern Indian ocean? It's not exactly on the flightpath from anywhere to the UK.
SB [Post edited 25 Jan 17:06]
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Hey, those rubber dinghies can be quite robust, you know. We can't take any chances... |  | | |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 17:42 - Jan 25 with 789 views | BlueForYou |
Starmer doesnt like elections does he! He’s totally forgotten we are supposed to be living in a democracy. |  | | |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 18:00 - Jan 25 with 759 views | gtsb1966 |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 17:42 - Jan 25 by BlueForYou |
Starmer doesnt like elections does he! He’s totally forgotten we are supposed to be living in a democracy. |
Obviously not putting the country first. | | | |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 18:11 - Jan 25 with 736 views | J2BLUE |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 15:38 - Jan 25 by Swansea_Blue |
Thanks for your reply. It seems like such a wasted opportunity both for Labour and the country. I can’t understand why they would think their approach works. From the public’s point of view, I agree with Herbs; what’s the point of Labour if they’re too similar to the outgoing, hated Tories? As he says, no wonder people are disillusioned.
I voted for them last time to get the Tories out. I’ve no regrets, as despite how poor Labour have been they are better in some areas. They were the only alternative, so I think we had to go through this stage. But they’ve been a disappointment and could have been so much better. I will be switching my vote to the least looney out of whoever stands who isn’t Reform/Tory/Labour. The only way I’d consider voting Labour is if they change the leadership and have a complete reset. Even then they’d have to do a lot to win back some trust. |
What it it's Labour vs Reform in your constituency?
Stopping Reform is the main thing surely? In most constituencies the smaller parties are a wasted vote. |  |
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| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 18:36 - Jan 25 with 703 views | Swansea_Blue |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 18:11 - Jan 25 by J2BLUE |
What it it's Labour vs Reform in your constituency?
Stopping Reform is the main thing surely? In most constituencies the smaller parties are a wasted vote. |
It’s always been Labour v Tory, but I’m not sure how it’s going to go. UKIP and Reform haven’t done well before as we’ve a lot of land owner/richer traditional Tories. It’ll all come down to who they field as candidates I suspect. The LDs have been strong in the past when it’s a well known candidate. And Plaid are on a roll (but suspect they won’t cut through in our constituency).
If it’s going to be unpredictable, I’ll be voting for my preference rather than tactically. |  |
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| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 19:19 - Jan 25 with 674 views | GlasgowBlue |
At least he's taking it well.
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| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 20:28 - Jan 25 with 595 views | Perublue |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 19:19 - Jan 25 by GlasgowBlue |
At least he's taking it well.
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Quite the postscript…at least it’s all official now … Trumps postscript’s seem to be influential in their partridgesque “and on that bombshell” ways. |  |
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| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 20:29 - Jan 25 with 590 views | GlasgowBlue |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 20:28 - Jan 25 by Perublue |
Quite the postscript…at least it’s all official now … Trumps postscript’s seem to be influential in their partridgesque “and on that bombshell” ways. |
Labour now disputing this
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| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 20:32 - Jan 25 with 584 views | Perublue |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 20:29 - Jan 25 by GlasgowBlue |
Labour now disputing this
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I wonder if he did know .. either way the games afoot | |
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| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 20:35 - Jan 25 with 567 views | gtsb1966 |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 20:29 - Jan 25 by GlasgowBlue |
Labour now disputing this
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Which makes Starmer look even more useless than he already is. | | | |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 20:36 - Jan 25 with 563 views | jasondozzell |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 20:29 - Jan 25 by GlasgowBlue |
Labour now disputing this
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Yep. What a surprise. It's who they are.
They treated Corbyn the same way. That was the time to address it but it was convenient for most to look the other way.
Burnham isn't the answer anyway.
For some time it's been clear it's going to be Streeting in May then Farage as PM. And it'll be the Labour right to thank for it all. |  | | |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 20:45 - Jan 25 with 538 views | pointofblue |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 20:36 - Jan 25 by jasondozzell |
Yep. What a surprise. It's who they are.
They treated Corbyn the same way. That was the time to address it but it was convenient for most to look the other way.
Burnham isn't the answer anyway.
For some time it's been clear it's going to be Streeting in May then Farage as PM. And it'll be the Labour right to thank for it all. |
As much as the left want to blame the Labour Right, Corbyn was the wrong person to deliver the message. Too much baggage coupled with a lack of ability to reach beyond the already converted/willing to convert. | |
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| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 20:52 - Jan 25 with 520 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 20:36 - Jan 25 by jasondozzell |
Yep. What a surprise. It's who they are.
They treated Corbyn the same way. That was the time to address it but it was convenient for most to look the other way.
Burnham isn't the answer anyway.
For some time it's been clear it's going to be Streeting in May then Farage as PM. And it'll be the Labour right to thank for it all. |
Starmer is going nowhere, he'll be in post until the next general Election. |  |
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| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 20:54 - Jan 25 with 514 views | jasondozzell |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 20:45 - Jan 25 by pointofblue |
As much as the left want to blame the Labour Right, Corbyn was the wrong person to deliver the message. Too much baggage coupled with a lack of ability to reach beyond the already converted/willing to convert. |
Don't agree sorry.
If people think the Burnham stuff is bad, it barely registers compared to the years long wrecking campaign 2015-19.
Labour right are going to return maybe 15% in the next gen election if they are lucky. Time for them to own it. | | | |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 20:54 - Jan 25 with 511 views | Mullet |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 20:45 - Jan 25 by pointofblue |
As much as the left want to blame the Labour Right, Corbyn was the wrong person to deliver the message. Too much baggage coupled with a lack of ability to reach beyond the already converted/willing to convert. |
And he wasn't suited to leadership at all. Great being a rebel and an awkward voice etc. but couldn't run a bath could he?
There's lots Labour have got wrong, and lots which I think go unnoticed because it's simply them halting some of the damage done by the Tories rather than reversing it. But that doesn't get headlines or plaudits does it?
I'm pretty annoyed that Burnham has been blocked, Tameside will go Reform as there's a lot of their target audience there already. It also means his remaining time as mayor will be tainted as him not wanting to do it |  |
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| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 20:57 - Jan 25 with 504 views | DJR |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 20:45 - Jan 25 by pointofblue |
As much as the left want to blame the Labour Right, Corbyn was the wrong person to deliver the message. Too much baggage coupled with a lack of ability to reach beyond the already converted/willing to convert. |
Corbyn wasn't really leadership material but that doesn't excuse the right taking Stalinist control of the party, and Starmer, for example, going back on this from 2020, which is very pertinent to what happened today.
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| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 21:01 - Jan 25 with 483 views | Mullet |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 20:57 - Jan 25 by DJR |
Corbyn wasn't really leadership material but that doesn't excuse the right taking Stalinist control of the party, and Starmer, for example, going back on this from 2020, which is very pertinent to what happened today.
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Is it not the depressing inevitability of the self-proclaimed left of the party being so arrogant and ideological that they made their position untenable?
Anyone who wasn't being equally Stalinist about Jezza and showed anything that resembled doubt was derided and made unwelcome in the strongest terms. We had it on here from the handful of fanboys who couldn't hum Red Flag if their lives depended on it, but were sat in suburbia talking like they were going to start their own kibbutzs etc. | |
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| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 21:05 - Jan 25 with 473 views | DJR |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 21:01 - Jan 25 by Mullet |
Is it not the depressing inevitability of the self-proclaimed left of the party being so arrogant and ideological that they made their position untenable?
Anyone who wasn't being equally Stalinist about Jezza and showed anything that resembled doubt was derided and made unwelcome in the strongest terms. We had it on here from the handful of fanboys who couldn't hum Red Flag if their lives depended on it, but were sat in suburbia talking like they were going to start their own kibbutzs etc. |
Were you a member of the party?
None of that happened in the CLP I was secretary of.
And whilst there were plenty of stories in the media that MPs on the right would be purged, none of that happened. [Post edited 25 Jan 21:06]
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| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 21:06 - Jan 25 with 467 views | jasondozzell |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 20:52 - Jan 25 by JammyDodgerrr |
Starmer is going nowhere, he'll be in post until the next general Election. |
Haha.
He's going in May.
What do you think is going to happen in the May elections? | | | |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 21:08 - Jan 25 with 453 views | Mullet |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 21:05 - Jan 25 by DJR |
Were you a member of the party?
None of that happened in the CLP I was secretary of.
And whilst there were plenty of stories in the media that MPs on the right would be purged, none of that happened. [Post edited 25 Jan 21:06]
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No, a few friends were up here of various stripes, but much like Reform and the Tories being a member and being a voice are not hand in glove. The lack of pragmatism and adult thinking about politics and the positions needed to be taken by people to run things are completely absent.
Sultana's choice to describe Burnham in less than glowing terms is the kind of attitude I'm talking about. It's all very Monty Python and "leftier than thou" type nonsense from far too many people.
They'd rather be "left", than actually see that represented in power because one is a lot easier than the other. | |
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| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 21:17 - Jan 25 with 439 views | Bigalhunter |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 20:52 - Jan 25 by JammyDodgerrr |
Starmer is going nowhere, he'll be in post until the next general Election. |
I can’t see him lasting until then.
I feel the May results are going to be an absolute disaster he won’t be able walk away from, despite the time left until the next G.E.
The great unknown is who gets to steer the shipwreck to some sort of safe harbour and do the necessary repairs. |  |
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| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 21:20 - Jan 25 with 436 views | DJR |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 21:08 - Jan 25 by Mullet |
No, a few friends were up here of various stripes, but much like Reform and the Tories being a member and being a voice are not hand in glove. The lack of pragmatism and adult thinking about politics and the positions needed to be taken by people to run things are completely absent.
Sultana's choice to describe Burnham in less than glowing terms is the kind of attitude I'm talking about. It's all very Monty Python and "leftier than thou" type nonsense from far too many people.
They'd rather be "left", than actually see that represented in power because one is a lot easier than the other. |
Once again that was not my experience of the CLP of which I was a member.
And focusing on someone like Sultana misses the point.
The fact is that some very decent friends and I who are nothing like hard left are no longer members of a party which we had joined long before Corbyn. A large part of that is because of the authoritarian and undemocratic grip that the right now has on the party as well as the corresponding drift rightwards.
It's called blue Labour for a reason. And those now in charge even despise someone like Burnham, who is nothing like hard left.
If you're happy with that, so be it. But the loss of votes to the Greens and Lib Dems suggests to me that there are many (very few of whom are hard left) who have become disillusioned with Labour's direction of travel. [Post edited 25 Jan 21:33]
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| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 21:34 - Jan 25 with 393 views | redrickstuhaart |
| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 20:45 - Jan 25 by pointofblue |
As much as the left want to blame the Labour Right, Corbyn was the wrong person to deliver the message. Too much baggage coupled with a lack of ability to reach beyond the already converted/willing to convert. |
And some genuinely batshyte beliefs.
Corbyn remains guilty of subjecting us to Brexit. A positive campaign by him would have swung it. | |
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| They'll block him (Andy Burnham) on 21:36 - Jan 25 with 395 views | Eastsuffolkblueloser |
That’s what happens with socialism. Always tear themselves apart. This gov is so left wing they’ve destroyed the country even quicker than any of us feared. Let’s get back to done sensible centre right policies and get Badenoch installed asap. This lot are destroying us | | | |
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