| Play off final. 22:54 - Jan 25 with 2621 views | suffolkpoker |
If we came 3rd and get to the play off final and loose. How would you rate our sesson?
I personally don’t think anything but promotion is a failure.
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| Play off final. on 09:27 - Jan 26 with 408 views | JammyDodgerrr |
If we get 100 points, finish third and go out in the play-offs, then it's disappointing but fair enough. If we're miles off second and then lose, it is a failure unfortunately. Promotion is the goal. |  |
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| Play off final. on 09:32 - Jan 26 with 376 views | baxterbasics |
| Play off final. on 06:16 - Jan 26 by franz_tyson |
I'm more worried about the upheaval of players/Kieran leaving rather than missing out on promotion. I really want us to be successful ie Top two.... but i bloody hate the Premier League. Bridge I'll have to cross if we get there.
Journey is , for me, far better than the destination.
Play Off final wouldn't be a disaster and would be an exciting ride.... win or lose. |
Something of a paradox isn't it? Love the journey of getting promoted but dreading another season up there!
I guess on balance, I really do not relish another decade or two languishing in the Championship (or lower, as happened previously). If we have to accept a period of yo-yo status so be it.
Of course whatever happens we shouldn't lose sight of the basic principle: "Follow the Town, up or down" |  |
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| Play off final. on 10:25 - Jan 26 with 335 views | Blue_Moses |
| Play off final. on 08:09 - Jan 26 by Wickets |
Reading through,blimey we are setting the bar high these days ! |
As we should with our current owners, level of investment, etc |  | | |
| Play off final. on 10:32 - Jan 26 with 327 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Play off final. on 09:24 - Jan 26 by _CliveBaker_ |
I think we'll finish top 2. There's a lot of points to play for, we've got a game in hand over Boro and they're still to visit PR. They'll have a tricky period at some stage themselves. I don't think its going to take an outrageous amount of points, high 80's should do it IMO. We're capable of doing 2ppg from here on in, whether we do it or not remains to be seen of course.
If we're in the playoffs we would be favourites to win them given who else is likely to be in it, but who knows in that format. I'd say anything less than promotion would be failure, but there's different degrees of failure. Its not Southampton levels, and I'd still be all for McKenna being the man to have another go at it next season, but no doubt it would be disappointing to think Coventry, Boro and lets say a Hull or Wrexham had managed to do what we haven't considering the financial advantage we had over them. |
Plenty of twists and turns to come but we can't throw in another performance like Saturday. It wasn't a one off either, we've been well off it away from home on numerous occasions. We need to show more resilience and quality. | | | |
| Play off final. on 10:42 - Jan 26 with 323 views | tractordownsouth |
I'd still want McKenna to stick around if that happened but ultimately, it would a failure. We've got to go up given the budget we've had and it's not like it's going to be a freak season where the 3rd placed team gets 90+ points and misses out. |  |
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| Play off final. on 10:53 - Jan 26 with 304 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Play off final. on 10:32 - Jan 26 by tractorboy1978 |
Plenty of twists and turns to come but we can't throw in another performance like Saturday. It wasn't a one off either, we've been well off it away from home on numerous occasions. We need to show more resilience and quality. |
I think that was a tough game on Saturday tbh. We didn't play well and we gifted them cheap goals, but they've done that to a lot of teams and their more recent form is comparable with anyone else in the division, including Cov. They're in the region of 2ppg now for the best part of the last 1/4 season since Wilder got his arms around things there.
Don't disagree with some of our away performances and results though, Oxford and Blackburn are more disappointing than Saturday IMO, 1 point from those 2 against very mediocre opposition isn't enough. Interestingly over our last 9 away games we've got 14 points, which is the same as Boro over the same period. We've certainly been inconsistent though and will need to do better through Feb. |  | | |
| Play off final. on 10:54 - Jan 26 with 304 views | MattinLondon |
| Play off final. on 23:46 - Jan 25 by Illinoisblue |
Going up via the playoffs would be “concerning”? Jesus wept, I can’t believe I just read that. Unreal. |
Why is it unreal? The club have spent tens of millions on players so with that amount of money the team should go up automatically. Not sure why that’s an ‘unreal’ thing to state - the team should be going up like that.
I still think that we will go up automatically. |  | | |
| Play off final. on 10:58 - Jan 26 with 299 views | jasondozzell |
| Play off final. on 10:54 - Jan 26 by MattinLondon |
Why is it unreal? The club have spent tens of millions on players so with that amount of money the team should go up automatically. Not sure why that’s an ‘unreal’ thing to state - the team should be going up like that.
I still think that we will go up automatically. |
That's not how football works.
If it was, the spreadsheets would play the matches.
I think we will win the league.
Like others have said, my main fear of not going up is losing KM. Championship is miles better than the Prem.
These are truly good days for the club. Great football, well invested, likeable squad and manager.
The idea of sacking KM on the day we don't go up - I just don't understand how anyone could have that in their head. Bizarre attitude. But you're entitled to your view I know.
As a postscript, my main desire if we finish in the play offs is to avoid Wrexham. That would be a nightmare. The media angle alone. [Post edited 26 Jan 10:59]
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| Play off final. on 11:07 - Jan 26 with 286 views | HighgateBlue |
| Play off final. on 10:42 - Jan 26 by tractordownsouth |
I'd still want McKenna to stick around if that happened but ultimately, it would a failure. We've got to go up given the budget we've had and it's not like it's going to be a freak season where the 3rd placed team gets 90+ points and misses out. |
Agreed.
I know we have had a huge budget, and a manager crudely should probably be judged against his league position relative to his budget.
But having said that, if we're now in the equivalent of that passage of time when Burley was missing out via the playoffs repeatedly before getting us up, then that's OK with me.
McKenna has done really well bringing this squad together over the last couple of months, and there's a world of difference between finishing 3rd and finishing outside of the playoffs where we were a few months ago. I would be very sorry to see him leave if we make the top six and don't go up. Huge talent, thoroughly decent guy, brought us some great times. The next guy could be a similar talent, but is more likely simply not to be. We have a noble history of not throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and long may that continue.
None of that means that we can't express our opinions on certain players or on decisions that seem baffling to us. We're just Shakespearean fools at best, and we're wrong much of the time, all of us. But we're wrong in good faith and in support of our team.
Striker please, though! :) |  | | |
| Play off final. on 11:29 - Jan 26 with 253 views | algy |
We shouldn't even be thinking of playoffs, win or lose, as a possibility. With the advantages of trampoline payments and the wealth from our most financially supportive owners ever, while our 2 fellow failures from last season are floundering in mid table, not to mention we have a world class manager (allegedly) we should be doing something that we haven't done for a third of a century and actually win the division. Anything less would be a consolation prize. | |
| Never forget that for ITFC the game changed in April 2021. |
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| Play off final. on 11:30 - Jan 26 with 255 views | Wright1 |
Context is important. With the other parachute teams faltering to the extent where there might be none of them in the play-offs let alone challenging for the automatic places... you'd have to say that is a failure and a real missed opportunity. | | | |
| Play off final. on 11:34 - Jan 26 with 232 views | waveneyblue |
| Play off final. on 00:21 - Jan 26 by jasondozzell |
'Promotion via the play offs is acceptable but concerning '
Put that on a t shirt!
I honestly give up. |
Absolutely sums up so many of our "fans" this season.
Money has given them levels of expectancy and entitlement that we used to laugh at when other clubs had similar.
Its actually really depressing. |  | | |
| Play off final. on 11:35 - Jan 26 with 242 views | jas0999 |
With the level of investment, our squad - top two would be the minimum expectation - winning the league should be the goal.
If the worst happens and we find ourselves in the play offs, providing we win, then no harm done.
If we don’t go up this year then it would be failure. | | | |
| Play off final. on 11:48 - Jan 26 with 223 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Play off final. on 06:18 - Jan 26 by Len_Brennan |
Not just a failure, but arguably a disaster given the fact that Leicester, Southampton & Sheffield United have all squandered their seasons & parachute money, plus Birmingham's relatively underwhelming challenge.
Next season most of them will be much better, but Wolves, Burnley & one of West Ham, Leeds or Nottm Forest will come down, while Wrexham will probably still be there splashing the cash again.
Going up this season, along with 2 of Coventry, Middlesbrough, Hull or Millwall, as opposed to 2 of that lot next season, would also give us a far better chance of staying up & establishing ourselves as a Premier League club. |
While I don't want to agree, this is the argument that Ashton and McKenna need to be taking to the board for £25 million now to buy a couple of absolute belters, striker and centre mid. Not caring if they'll make the prem team but just getting us our of Dodge, now. |  | | |
| Play off final. on 11:54 - Jan 26 with 215 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Play off final. on 11:48 - Jan 26 by Axeldalai_lama |
While I don't want to agree, this is the argument that Ashton and McKenna need to be taking to the board for £25 million now to buy a couple of absolute belters, striker and centre mid. Not caring if they'll make the prem team but just getting us our of Dodge, now. |
And I should add the attitude McKenna should maybe take a bit more too. I think he puts a bit too much stock in the exact structure and the Cohesion of the group and leaders etc. Which is exactly what he shold do most of the time. But maybe sometimes, given the backing we have, he just needs to 'risk it' with a couple that don't necessarily tick every last box, but are on the face of it just a good option on their day. | | | |
| Play off final. on 11:55 - Jan 26 with 213 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
| Play off final. on 07:41 - Jan 26 by SuffolkSpezial |
Not getting promoted would indeed be a failure, but not worthy of a change of manager. If we were without a manager at the end of the season and McKenna was out of work, he would top our list of candidates.
If we were languishing mid table, I believe that would constitute considering change of manager.
I hate the hire and fire mentality based on half a dozen good or bad results |
Nicely summarised. If we lose out in the playoffs, does anyone really believe sacking McKenna would leave us in a better position for the following season? You only have to look at Sheffield United this season as a warning for what can happen if you get rid of a manager in a reactionary manager. | | | |
| Play off final. on 11:57 - Jan 26 with 209 views | braveblue |
Top 6 is a good season. Top 2 would be major success. Look at Southampton and Leicester. Play offs lottery. | | | |
| Play off final. on 12:28 - Jan 26 with 175 views | Smoresy |
| Play off final. on 07:27 - Jan 26 by ITFC_Forever |
Frustrating.
But we’ll still have last summer’s parachute money and this summer’s parachute money to spend
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(As a reminder, the only money we spent last summer was what we generated anyway from selling Omari, Delap and Broadbean). |
Suspect our wage bill would like to have a word at some point. Must be carving a chunky wedge out or Ashton is the ultimate negotiator.
Agree with most OP, it's binary for me. What we do if we fail is another matter though, which would need more careful evaluation. Sheff Utd sacking Wilder after 92 points and a nearly PO campaign was odd for instance. | | | |
| Play off final. on 12:41 - Jan 26 with 152 views | FrimleyBlue |
Based on finances spent on the squad, the cost of having Mckenna as the gaffa, anything other than promotion is a failure imo, if it's not top 2, it has to be 3rd.
IF KM stays for another go at it if we failed, 100000000000% the following season the bare minimum expectation from any town supporter would have to be top 2, no questions and no one could argue that imo. |  |
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| Play off final. on 12:41 - Jan 26 with 150 views | glasso |
| Play off final. on 09:14 - Jan 26 by Pinewoodblue |
While I would be disappointed if we fail to gain promotion this season it will have a greater impact on Kieran McKenna.
To under achieve in two consecutive seasons wouldn’t sit well on his CV. |
I'm not sure he underachieved in the Prem. Not sure where that idea came from.
We went up too quickly, didn't have a squad capable of staying in the Prem and we didn't.
Sure, he could've picked up a few more points here and there with a plan B, but ultimately it would've taken a heroic effort to keep that team from relegation if we're being really honest with ourselves. | | | |
| Play off final. on 12:42 - Jan 26 with 149 views | MattinLondon |
| Play off final. on 11:34 - Jan 26 by waveneyblue |
Absolutely sums up so many of our "fans" this season.
Money has given them levels of expectancy and entitlement that we used to laugh at when other clubs had similar.
Its actually really depressing. |
It’s not entitlement at all just reality. [Post edited 26 Jan 12:53]
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| Play off final. on 12:48 - Jan 26 with 135 views | PioneerBlue |
Im a supporter of ipswich town. I will be here next year no matter how the season finishes! I dont know why folks speak in such absolute terms unless they have motive. Of course automatic promotion starts as an ambitious goal, personally dont mind how we achieve that. I would prefer going up as champions but would take a play off final win. If we do or dont go up, change happens, everything is on the table in terms or what is best to move us forwards. | |
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| Play off final. on 12:59 - Jan 26 with 114 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Play off final. on 12:42 - Jan 26 by MattinLondon |
It’s not entitlement at all just reality. [Post edited 26 Jan 12:53]
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I do chuckle at the entitlement thing thrown out.
High levels of expectations, sure, that's a large part of the game esp when finances are involved
Do town fans feel they have a right to watch a side get promoted. No - they have a desire to - it's not entitlement to feel promotion should be obtained, it's high levels of desire.
Now if someone said I pay a lot of money for a ticket i demand promotion because of it, that is entitlement. So those jeering at games because it's not entertaining,.. that's entitlement as they believe they should get something in return for their ticket purchase.
Saying we should be fighting autos because of the money the club has spent, is simply desire and expectations. | |
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| Play off final. on 13:07 - Jan 26 with 106 views | jasondozzell |
| Play off final. on 12:42 - Jan 26 by MattinLondon |
It’s not entitlement at all just reality. [Post edited 26 Jan 12:53]
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Hugely entitled and symptomatic of the modern fan attitude to football which involves treating it like it's a playstation game. | | | |
| Play off final. on 13:15 - Jan 26 with 86 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Play off final. on 13:07 - Jan 26 by jasondozzell |
Hugely entitled and symptomatic of the modern fan attitude to football which involves treating it like it's a playstation game. |
JD what do you think the owners expect? | |
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