| Said it several times on here 11:11 - Feb 1 with 1357 views | tractorboy1978 |
But Cajuste gets away with absolute murder amongst our fanbase. Rolls Royce when we are winning, in the ascendency and playing well against a poor side but goes missing when the going gets tough or we are struggling. Doesn’t want to work for the ball or help his centre halves out, defensively ill disciplined and wants the game played completely on his terms. Did his customary 60-70 minutes yesterday and looked knackered well before that. Doubt we will see him start Tuesday night as that would mean being fit/robust enough to play twice in a row.
Hopefully Neil starts Tuesday and makes the spot his own. I think he is going to make an enormous difference to this team personally. He will also bring some much needed leadership. Something I think is lacking without Morsy and Chaplin in the spine of the team, driving us forwards and picking up the pack of attack.
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| Said it several times on here on 11:15 - Feb 1 with 1299 views | Kieran_Knows |
Cheat code for this division apparently.
Send him back. |  |
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| Said it several times on here on 11:17 - Feb 1 with 1271 views | Nutkins_Return |
I'd actually argue the opposite to a degree. He's become a bit of a scapegoat. It's not fair to just say when we are winning. Prior to the last 2 games he's been a big component in how we were winning. I actually think it took him 10 games or so to get going/fit and he's largely been good since then.
He can frustrate me off the ball at times and there are areas he can work on. But I think he's grown into the season. He wasn't on the pitch for any of the Sheffield United goals and whilst he may not have had his best game he wasn't on the pitch for the Preston goal either.
Dan Neil will put serious pressure on his position but he's not getting away with murder at all. Plenty of been critical with areas of his game including me. But he's got better as the season has gone on for me. Maybe an off day yesterday but as I say it was still 0-0 when he went off | |
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| Said it several times on here on 11:20 - Feb 1 with 1244 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
It'll Cajuste at home and Neil away when we need to be more compact. |  |
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| Said it several times on here on 11:23 - Feb 1 with 1183 views | bluesym |
Absolutely agree. He is nothing more than a show pony, who if he can be arsed,might do a couple of nice flicks or turns in a 20 minute or so spell,before disappearing from the game completely. |  |
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| Said it several times on here on 11:24 - Feb 1 with 1177 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Said it several times on here on 11:17 - Feb 1 by Nutkins_Return |
I'd actually argue the opposite to a degree. He's become a bit of a scapegoat. It's not fair to just say when we are winning. Prior to the last 2 games he's been a big component in how we were winning. I actually think it took him 10 games or so to get going/fit and he's largely been good since then.
He can frustrate me off the ball at times and there are areas he can work on. But I think he's grown into the season. He wasn't on the pitch for any of the Sheffield United goals and whilst he may not have had his best game he wasn't on the pitch for the Preston goal either.
Dan Neil will put serious pressure on his position but he's not getting away with murder at all. Plenty of been critical with areas of his game including me. But he's got better as the season has gone on for me. Maybe an off day yesterday but as I say it was still 0-0 when he went off |
A big component?! He’s spent half the season playing second fiddle to someone who couldn’t get in the side ahead of two 32 year olds 2 years ago! | |
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| Said it several times on here on 11:30 - Feb 1 with 1131 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Said it several times on here on 11:17 - Feb 1 by Nutkins_Return |
I'd actually argue the opposite to a degree. He's become a bit of a scapegoat. It's not fair to just say when we are winning. Prior to the last 2 games he's been a big component in how we were winning. I actually think it took him 10 games or so to get going/fit and he's largely been good since then.
He can frustrate me off the ball at times and there are areas he can work on. But I think he's grown into the season. He wasn't on the pitch for any of the Sheffield United goals and whilst he may not have had his best game he wasn't on the pitch for the Preston goal either.
Dan Neil will put serious pressure on his position but he's not getting away with murder at all. Plenty of been critical with areas of his game including me. But he's got better as the season has gone on for me. Maybe an off day yesterday but as I say it was still 0-0 when he went off |
Neil will be in soon and barely miss a minute IMO. I don’t think Cajuste has become a scapegoat at all, I think too many give him far too much rope because he produces a couple of highlight reel moments a game that look good in a 5 second video on TikTok/X.
We need someone that can take a game by the scruff of the neck game in, game out next to Matusiwa. That isn’t Cajuste. | | | |
| Said it several times on here on 11:35 - Feb 1 with 1094 views | Mullet |
Weirdly he gets blamed regardless of what he does. He was really good yesterday in making runs and putting people in, but Mehmeti seemed to be on both wings and nowhere in the 10 and Clarke and Burns weren't sure where to go in a really packed midfield.
The fact we have games like Millwall where we just get dragged into a scrap and fans are baffled why he has no room to play in isn't really his fault. Our set up is so dogmatic it doesn't seem to fit the players McKenna picks some weeks. |  |
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| Said it several times on here on 12:31 - Feb 1 with 840 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Said it several times on here on 11:35 - Feb 1 by Mullet |
Weirdly he gets blamed regardless of what he does. He was really good yesterday in making runs and putting people in, but Mehmeti seemed to be on both wings and nowhere in the 10 and Clarke and Burns weren't sure where to go in a really packed midfield.
The fact we have games like Millwall where we just get dragged into a scrap and fans are baffled why he has no room to play in isn't really his fault. Our set up is so dogmatic it doesn't seem to fit the players McKenna picks some weeks. |
I am not at all baffled why he has no room to play in. That is going to be the story of many games at this level. We have a player that can just about do 60-70 minutes, doesn’t seem to be able to start back to back games and needs the game to play out exactly how he wants it to for him to be effective rather than taking the game by the scruff of the neck and making it happen. And we are presumably paying a lot of money by Championship standards for him to be here.
As I said above, I think we will see what a difference Neil makes and he will end up being a bench option against tired legs when a game has opened up. Which I think is more suited to him to be honest. [Post edited 1 Feb 12:31]
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| Said it several times on here on 12:46 - Feb 1 with 782 views | Mullet |
| Said it several times on here on 12:31 - Feb 1 by tractorboy1978 |
I am not at all baffled why he has no room to play in. That is going to be the story of many games at this level. We have a player that can just about do 60-70 minutes, doesn’t seem to be able to start back to back games and needs the game to play out exactly how he wants it to for him to be effective rather than taking the game by the scruff of the neck and making it happen. And we are presumably paying a lot of money by Championship standards for him to be here.
As I said above, I think we will see what a difference Neil makes and he will end up being a bench option against tired legs when a game has opened up. Which I think is more suited to him to be honest. [Post edited 1 Feb 12:31]
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But again all of that is assumption levelled at the player. Nothing on McKenna at all when we get threads like this | |
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| Said it several times on here on 12:56 - Feb 1 with 725 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Said it several times on here on 12:46 - Feb 1 by Mullet |
But again all of that is assumption levelled at the player. Nothing on McKenna at all when we get threads like this |
We shouldn’t have signed him - so yes that is on McKenna. Did he expect more from Cajuste though? I’d have thought so. I think we all probably did. | | | |
| Said it several times on here on 13:00 - Feb 1 with 692 views | Mullet |
| Said it several times on here on 12:56 - Feb 1 by tractorboy1978 |
We shouldn’t have signed him - so yes that is on McKenna. Did he expect more from Cajuste though? I’d have thought so. I think we all probably did. |
Like Hirst, Szmodics, Akpom, Mcateer, Johnson, greaves et al this season then? It seems odd to single out Cajuste this way | |
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| Said it several times on here on 13:22 - Feb 1 with 634 views | rickw |
I thought he was excellent the other week at home against a packed defence - his skills often made the difference. I think this was the Bristol game, but even then I felt he doesn't come looking for the ball from the defenders - often leaving Kipre with no passes, but if the ball managed to hit him on the feet he'd turn and make something happen.
Yesterday a couple of times he wanted more time on the ball than they'd give him and he'd lose it easily, perhaps his knee problem stops him from being able to fight for the ball throughout the match.... |  |
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| Said it several times on here on 13:34 - Feb 1 with 565 views | cbower |
| Said it several times on here on 11:35 - Feb 1 by Mullet |
Weirdly he gets blamed regardless of what he does. He was really good yesterday in making runs and putting people in, but Mehmeti seemed to be on both wings and nowhere in the 10 and Clarke and Burns weren't sure where to go in a really packed midfield.
The fact we have games like Millwall where we just get dragged into a scrap and fans are baffled why he has no room to play in isn't really his fault. Our set up is so dogmatic it doesn't seem to fit the players McKenna picks some weeks. |
I disagree in general with what you have said about Cajuste here Mullet. Yes, he did make a few direct runs yesterday, got a shot in the general direction of the goal but his overall contribution in almost every game he plays is fleeting. He isn't up for the midfield battle, has scored maybe twice in 50 odd appearances and when he is described as a 'Rolls Royce', I would agree as he is certainly a massively expensive luxury!
However, I totally agree with your final paragraph regarding McKenna's "dogmatic" approach. We just keep doing the same thing for 95+minutes and 'trust' it will work. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. Some tactical changes wouldn't go amiss from time to time but I'm sure someone will tell me they're happening and I'm too much of a Luddite to spot their subtlety as they're so modern I can't keep it! |  |
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| Said it several times on here on 13:34 - Feb 1 with 560 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Said it several times on here on 11:24 - Feb 1 by Kieran_Knows |
A big component?! He’s spent half the season playing second fiddle to someone who couldn’t get in the side ahead of two 32 year olds 2 years ago! |
Yes. He's been assisting and creating a lot of opportunities recently. The stats are there to see with assists and he's also been involved in the balls to the assister multiple times. He's been much better and more like himself recently. Yesterday aside who has contributed to our much improved form. As i say the only game we've lost in a good while was Sheffield United and he came on at 3-1.
For the record he also didn't play in our previous defeat against Leicester until 3-0 down and he came on and scored our goal.
It's actually a bit odd he's getting all the flack when Taylor has been the guy starting in the defeats (and no I'm not trying to put it all on Taylor). | |
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| Said it several times on here on 13:41 - Feb 1 with 525 views | Meadowlark |
How does he get away with murder amongst our "fanbase?"
I guess what you're saying is that your take is better than everyone elses?
I think we all have opinions. Are you saying that your opinion carries more weight that all us other fans? Of course, you're entitled to an opinion, but don't label the rest of us with counter opinions that you've made up.
Mine is that players have good and bad games, go in and out of form, have bad luck and good luck and can be outstanding one match but can almost disappear in another.
That doesn't make anyone a bad player. We were all pleased when he came back weren't we? I was anyway. I also think there are a couple of other players who have had more off days than Cajuste lately. |  | | |
| Said it several times on here on 13:53 - Feb 1 with 441 views | LankHenners |
Does he?! All people ever bang on about him on here is how off the pace he looks.
Think the criticism of him has been really OTT (although you could say that about quite a few players unfortunately) but he does look like he needs a new pair of knees and always looks a better ‘finisher’ which isn’t necessarily a problem in itself but does mean we sort of muddle through in that position.
Would say the stranger fan opinion on our midfield is that there are people who think “Jack Taylor” is any sort of solution to anything. As you say hopefully Neil comes in on Tuesday and stays in as he should make a big difference in there - not quite the same but will bring some of the things we hoped we’d get by landing Hackney.
As was predictable the biggest issue is losing Nunez - Memehti did well enough yesterday and hopefully will get to a point of helping us in the same way but lacking that player who can get on the ball and link the midfield to the attack is a problem. |  |
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| Said it several times on here on 13:55 - Feb 1 with 430 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Said it several times on here on 13:53 - Feb 1 by LankHenners |
Does he?! All people ever bang on about him on here is how off the pace he looks.
Think the criticism of him has been really OTT (although you could say that about quite a few players unfortunately) but he does look like he needs a new pair of knees and always looks a better ‘finisher’ which isn’t necessarily a problem in itself but does mean we sort of muddle through in that position.
Would say the stranger fan opinion on our midfield is that there are people who think “Jack Taylor” is any sort of solution to anything. As you say hopefully Neil comes in on Tuesday and stays in as he should make a big difference in there - not quite the same but will bring some of the things we hoped we’d get by landing Hackney.
As was predictable the biggest issue is losing Nunez - Memehti did well enough yesterday and hopefully will get to a point of helping us in the same way but lacking that player who can get on the ball and link the midfield to the attack is a problem. |
I agree that Jack Taylor is far from the answer but he has been a damn sight better than Cajuste has this season. |  |
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| Said it several times on here on 13:59 - Feb 1 with 403 views | LankHenners |
| Said it several times on here on 13:55 - Feb 1 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
I agree that Jack Taylor is far from the answer but he has been a damn sight better than Cajuste has this season. |
I just really don’t buy that at all to be honest. Had a little spell when he first came in and his best performance (Cov away) probably better than the equivalent one from Cajuste but ultimately it’s hard to say we’ve got a lot from that position for most of the season. Both are very guilty of letting games completely pass them by but only one seems to get pulled up for it on here. | |
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| Said it several times on here on 14:12 - Feb 1 with 340 views | franz_tyson |
| Said it several times on here on 13:00 - Feb 1 by Mullet |
Like Hirst, Szmodics, Akpom, Mcateer, Johnson, greaves et al this season then? It seems odd to single out Cajuste this way |
Maybe some of the flak he's getting is because of the over-the-top appraisal of him by many. Cheat-code, too good for this level, he'll rip up this league. All nonsense.
It's not a case he's crap. I haven't heard anyone say that. He's got some lovely touches and he has influenced games more recently..... but he's nowhere as good as many make out. They'll drool over a couple of pieces of skill, but ignore all the other weaknesses in his game. And his energy levels are pathetic. For me he's a squad player who'll be handy coming of the bench with 20 mins to go when the game opens up. If his reputation ( and probable high wages) set a level.... he's below that level. Don't think that's picking on him... and I don't think he's lost us any games.... but he's just not anywhere as good as many make out. | | | |
| Said it several times on here on 14:31 - Feb 1 with 248 views | Herbivore |
I think this is one of those where the truth is somewhere in the middle of two extremes. He's not a cheat code but he's also not been.as.bad as some have made our. I think he gets quite a lot of flak actually, some of it justified, but I think the narrative that he only has 20 good minutes in a game is overstated. He's had some good games, particular the last couple of months. The frustration is that we want more from him and have seen both last season and this that he has all the talent to offer more but doesn't seem able to do it consistently. His robustness is an ongoing issue as he never completes 90 minutes and rarely starts back to back games and while we're more tolerant of that for flair players playing further forward, you expect your CM to be a bit more reliable. He's not that though and may never be. I still think he adds quality and when he's on it he looks too good for this level but I think we're mainly going to see that quality coming on against tired legs for much of the remainder of the season and if he can make a good contribution from the bench then I don't see too much issue with that. If we go up, that's probably going to be his role next season too. |  |
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| Said it several times on here on 14:34 - Feb 1 with 230 views | Mullet |
| Said it several times on here on 14:12 - Feb 1 by franz_tyson |
Maybe some of the flak he's getting is because of the over-the-top appraisal of him by many. Cheat-code, too good for this level, he'll rip up this league. All nonsense.
It's not a case he's crap. I haven't heard anyone say that. He's got some lovely touches and he has influenced games more recently..... but he's nowhere as good as many make out. They'll drool over a couple of pieces of skill, but ignore all the other weaknesses in his game. And his energy levels are pathetic. For me he's a squad player who'll be handy coming of the bench with 20 mins to go when the game opens up. If his reputation ( and probable high wages) set a level.... he's below that level. Don't think that's picking on him... and I don't think he's lost us any games.... but he's just not anywhere as good as many make out. |
But again that’s just fans being ignorant. The real issue is why McKenna has had it so easy so often this season and a half.
No one wants the levels of abuse under Mick, and he deserves better than the fawning of the Pauls. But it’s baffling how everything and everyone else is a problem when it goes wrong for a large tranche of fans.
The willingness of ignore the bigger picture and reality every single time is far more important than constantly slagging off Cajuste no matter what. | |
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| Said it several times on here on 15:19 - Feb 1 with 103 views | Churchman |
| Said it several times on here on 14:34 - Feb 1 by Mullet |
But again that’s just fans being ignorant. The real issue is why McKenna has had it so easy so often this season and a half.
No one wants the levels of abuse under Mick, and he deserves better than the fawning of the Pauls. But it’s baffling how everything and everyone else is a problem when it goes wrong for a large tranche of fans.
The willingness of ignore the bigger picture and reality every single time is far more important than constantly slagging off Cajuste no matter what. |
The thread is about Cajuste, not McKenna. There are plenty of those including a McKenna out yesterday.
There was a for and against list on 2nd December that showed plenty wanted him gone (more than 20 against 30 or 40 that favoured him - small sample but sample none the less) and he has acknowledged he does not have universal support. People need not fret. He’ll soon be gone. June at the latest, in my view. My guess is Palace or somebody of that level.
To the point in hand, Cajuste. It’s interesting the differing views on him. Really quite polarised. Personally, I think he’s had a pretty easy ride. For example, he’s not had the dogs abuse Hirst gets despite contributing only a fraction of what GH has in in his time here. Or O’Shea come to that, who is a better player than many give him credit for.
Cajuste was part of about as an inept midfield as you could ever wish to see last season. One assist, one goal. Whoopee.
This season? I don’t know the stats but despite the positives to his game I doubt he will make Championship team of the season. He looks good carrying the ball. Laid on a lovely pass the other week against Wednesday and had a good run at their defence first half yesterday. When he uses it, he has good control and is elegant.
Against is that at times he plays walking football. Matisuwa gets the ball, looks up, Cajuste is standing there with one plus men on him so the ball has to go wide or back. In the tackle, he looks weak for a big man and gives it up. Easily bullied despite his size. Basically, he doesn’t look fit enough to play Championship football. He looks leggy after half an hour and dead on his feet by 60 mins.
He’s not a bad option as a sub when the opposition is tiring, but that’s as good as it gets. In other words, for me as your key central midfielder, he’s just not effective and doesn’t deliver.
I’m hoping Neil is the answer or Nunez gets fit again soon. We just look weak in that area of the field and if we can get that right, it’ll help whoever is up front no end.
Cajuste is not somebody I’d have signed last season, let alone this. I just don’t think he is suited to the top two divisions in this country. Just a view and very contradictory to many. Hopefully he’ll prove me wrong and rip it up for the last few months of the season. [Post edited 1 Feb 15:22]
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