| Gorton and Denton By-election 19:20 - Feb 15 with 16643 views | gtsb1966 |
Greens odds on to win with Reform 2nd and Labour 3rd. Surely that would be the end of Starmer if that happened. One can only hope. I cant see some members of the party waiting for the annihilation in the May elections.
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:04 - Feb 17 with 1324 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 16:02 - Feb 17 by leitrimblue |
Think the real 'huge elephant in the room' is a large proportion of C2, D and E feel they have been let down, tricked and ignored full stop.
The fact that some people wish to outline this as them just being tricked and ignored solely on immigration rather then on so many other issue's is part of a much bigger issue. |
This. |  |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:09 - Feb 17 with 1326 views | Dubtractor |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 17:28 - Feb 17 by lowhouseblue |
i don't believe they were carefully chosen. that's entirely and solely the take of people who want to rubbish the speech and want to avoid engaging with it's content.
the 3 words were the exact opposite of carefully chosen - they are a cock up and whoever wrote the speech should be fired. alas this is a government which is being brought down by these sorts of communications cock ups - again and again and again.
without those 3 words people - like those on this thread - would actually have to engage with the points made in the speech, rather than point to the 3 words and walk away as if nothing more needs to be said. whoever put the 3 words into the speech is an incompetent idiot. |
That is really weak tbh.
Starmer/his advisors have gone out of their way to try and appeal to the Reform voting types, and you think it is just an accident that words such as those made it into the speech? Tbh, its much more improbable that numerous people saw that speech and that those three words escaped anyone's attention prior to the speech being made. |  |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:21 - Feb 17 with 1267 views | lowhouseblue |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:09 - Feb 17 by Dubtractor |
That is really weak tbh.
Starmer/his advisors have gone out of their way to try and appeal to the Reform voting types, and you think it is just an accident that words such as those made it into the speech? Tbh, its much more improbable that numerous people saw that speech and that those three words escaped anyone's attention prior to the speech being made. |
it was an appalling cock-up. the idea that they intentionally chose those words intending the link to powell to be made is simply mad. anyone with half a political brain would know that any link to powell would have a disastrous effect and everything else in speech would be lost. the fact that it led to yet another cluster f**k and another apology is proof that it was never intended. they chose words without realising the link - which is inept. focusing on those words - and the entirely un-evidenced assertion that they were chosen deliberately - is just a tactic to allow people to ignore the content of the speech.
starmer doubtless wants to swing potential reform voters - that is after all an entirely laudable aim. but to claim that he knowingly chose those words as some sort of clever wink to powell is just a nonsense smear. the use of those words was a disaster and would never have been chosen deliberately. what about all the other words in the speech and what the speech is actually saying??
but i know how full well this works now you've all agreed the line on this, so i will leave this here. |  |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:24 - Feb 17 with 1269 views | Dubtractor |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:21 - Feb 17 by lowhouseblue |
it was an appalling cock-up. the idea that they intentionally chose those words intending the link to powell to be made is simply mad. anyone with half a political brain would know that any link to powell would have a disastrous effect and everything else in speech would be lost. the fact that it led to yet another cluster f**k and another apology is proof that it was never intended. they chose words without realising the link - which is inept. focusing on those words - and the entirely un-evidenced assertion that they were chosen deliberately - is just a tactic to allow people to ignore the content of the speech.
starmer doubtless wants to swing potential reform voters - that is after all an entirely laudable aim. but to claim that he knowingly chose those words as some sort of clever wink to powell is just a nonsense smear. the use of those words was a disaster and would never have been chosen deliberately. what about all the other words in the speech and what the speech is actually saying??
but i know how full well this works now you've all agreed the line on this, so i will leave this here. |
Just for clarity, I haven't in any of my posts made the link to Powell, I think the words were pretty awful in their own right.
And enough of this 'groupthink' has taken its position against you, so you give up nonsense. I've disagreed pretty forcefully with some of Jasondozzell's posting this week, and told him so, the idea that we're all a hive mind is daft.
Just because a lot of posters disagree with you, doesn't make it some kind of group closing of ranks, perhaps you've just posted something that lots disagree with. It really isn't that deep. [Post edited 17 Feb 22:18]
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:28 - Feb 17 with 1258 views | Mullet |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:09 - Feb 17 by Dubtractor |
That is really weak tbh.
Starmer/his advisors have gone out of their way to try and appeal to the Reform voting types, and you think it is just an accident that words such as those made it into the speech? Tbh, its much more improbable that numerous people saw that speech and that those three words escaped anyone's attention prior to the speech being made. |
Exactly and while I don’t agree with Starmers messaging, I at least understand it and why he’s trying to do it. It just makes me very sad.
In a functioning democracy a load of Tories would be in jail for their post Brexit/Covid conduct/fraud/ treachery or at least banned from holding all public office.
Instead they are now turquoise terrorists spinning the same con and blaming their former actions on someone else instead. |  |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 21:22 - Feb 17 with 1167 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 10:09 - Feb 17 by lowhouseblue |
in terms of class your link doesn't support what you're saying. in the report the difference in support for labour between ab (36%) and de (34%) wasn't outside of the polling error. in terms of education and income, labour's reliance on graduates and higher income earners has been true for a very long time - i'm sure in 2019 under corbyn it was just the same.
what is more interesting is that, with one exception, support for no party is shown as varying by class. the exception of course is reform. and that points to the huge elephant in the room which you are always determined to ignore. a large proportion of people in cd and de feel that they have been let down, tricked and ignored over immigration. they have voted consistently for policies to reduce it and yet mass immigration has gone on regardless. the fact that mass immigration has been pursued with no electoral mandate has shattered their confidence in main stream politics. it is this single issue above all else that is currently driving the pattern of party support - if you insist on ignoring that you can't explain what's going on. |
And what happens when immigration goes down and the cd e voters see their lives being no different except for no care or hospital staff.
How will you carry on legitimising this scapegoating?
People voted for Hitler's message. It didn't make it right. |  | | |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 22:01 - Feb 17 with 1099 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 21:22 - Feb 17 by reusersfreekicks |
And what happens when immigration goes down and the cd e voters see their lives being no different except for no care or hospital staff.
How will you carry on legitimising this scapegoating?
People voted for Hitler's message. It didn't make it right. |
The unemployment rate for 18 to 24 year old is at 14% so obviously all political parties will be promoting fully funded further education/apprenticeships and well paid employment in the public sector.
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 22:05 - Feb 17 with 1109 views | Herbivore |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:21 - Feb 17 by lowhouseblue |
it was an appalling cock-up. the idea that they intentionally chose those words intending the link to powell to be made is simply mad. anyone with half a political brain would know that any link to powell would have a disastrous effect and everything else in speech would be lost. the fact that it led to yet another cluster f**k and another apology is proof that it was never intended. they chose words without realising the link - which is inept. focusing on those words - and the entirely un-evidenced assertion that they were chosen deliberately - is just a tactic to allow people to ignore the content of the speech.
starmer doubtless wants to swing potential reform voters - that is after all an entirely laudable aim. but to claim that he knowingly chose those words as some sort of clever wink to powell is just a nonsense smear. the use of those words was a disaster and would never have been chosen deliberately. what about all the other words in the speech and what the speech is actually saying??
but i know how full well this works now you've all agreed the line on this, so i will leave this here. |
This is embarrassing. |  |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:05 - Feb 25 with 878 views | Perublue |
Ooooooh I’ve just realised…. This is tomorrow isn’t it … delicious drama awaits….. whatever the various results …. 🍿 time again. |  |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:10 - Feb 25 with 864 views | Herbivore |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:05 - Feb 25 by Perublue |
Ooooooh I’ve just realised…. This is tomorrow isn’t it … delicious drama awaits….. whatever the various results …. 🍿 time again. |
I have a horrible feeling Reform will win. The country has lost its head and the rest of us are doomed to watch it play out just as happened with Brexit. | |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:24 - Feb 25 with 834 views | Perublue |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:10 - Feb 25 by Herbivore |
I have a horrible feeling Reform will win. The country has lost its head and the rest of us are doomed to watch it play out just as happened with Brexit. |
https://polymarket.com/event/g
Not sure if that link works but it’s got the greens at 66% likelihood
Reform 18 and labour 13
It’s a bit of an odd difficult ward to call looking at the demographics at the best of times (normal times I guess)
Can’t myself see the greens doing as well as predicted but wouldn’t be surprised if they pulled it off just not by that much of a walkover. [Post edited 25 Feb 18:27]
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:27 - Feb 25 with 821 views | jas0999 |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:10 - Feb 25 by Herbivore |
I have a horrible feeling Reform will win. The country has lost its head and the rest of us are doomed to watch it play out just as happened with Brexit. |
It’s looking good for the Greens.
I may be wrong but don’t think Farage even visited the area … reported to think they have no chance. Hopefully that’s the case.
Interesting to se whether Starmers visit and low energy prices will make a difference … |  | | |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:37 - Feb 25 with 782 views | Whos_blue |
I think the King of the north would've been an absolute shoe in for this seat.
A big gamble for SKS blocking him. |  |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:43 - Feb 25 with 759 views | Herbivore |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:37 - Feb 25 by Whos_blue |
I think the King of the north would've been an absolute shoe in for this seat.
A big gamble for SKS blocking him. |
No good options for him on that one. Everyone knew Burnham was coming back to seek to replace him so letting him stand was signing his own death warrant. Not letting him stand surrenders the seat and makes him look weak. That he ended up in that position is down to his own failings. | |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 19:08 - Feb 25 with 718 views | Perublue |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:37 - Feb 25 by Whos_blue |
I think the King of the north would've been an absolute shoe in for this seat.
A big gamble for SKS blocking him. |
I’m still not convinced the Deggsy Hatton lite king of the North would have been the lord and saviour of the Labour Party even if he managed to go through all the hoops to get in charge.
There are a hardcore of traditional labour voters lost to them already who are long gone and unlikely to return in the near future… wherever they’ve gone.
He would only really appeal to a certain cohort. | |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 09:41 - Feb 26 with 586 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:27 - Feb 25 by jas0999 |
It’s looking good for the Greens.
I may be wrong but don’t think Farage even visited the area … reported to think they have no chance. Hopefully that’s the case.
Interesting to se whether Starmers visit and low energy prices will make a difference … |
Reform picked a terrible candidate and in the last couple of weeks seem to have given up on winning the seat.
I hope Labour hold. The Greens are running a racially divisive dog whistle campaign using pictures of Starmer with Modi to exploit Muslim-Hindu tensions and of Lammy with Netanyahu to exploit Muslim-Jewish tensions.
FFS VT, are you just going to downvote everything I post for the sake of it. Its an awful campaign by the greens, based on racial divides. As somebody who was so vocal about racial division yesterday you are coming across as a rank hypocrite. It's been heavily criticised by Tell MAMA UK.
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 10:01 - Feb 26 with 547 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:37 - Feb 25 by Whos_blue |
I think the King of the north would've been an absolute shoe in for this seat.
A big gamble for SKS blocking him. |
I think the result(whatever it will be) was basically decided anyway, Burnham or not. All the Burnham thing has done has put it more in the spotlight, imo. I think Labour will hold it. |  |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 11:48 - Feb 26 with 438 views | GlasgowBlue |
Bizarre that Reform haven't thrown everything at this. | |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 12:15 - Feb 26 with 354 views | DJR |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 11:48 - Feb 26 by GlasgowBlue |
Bizarre that Reform haven't thrown everything at this. |
I think it is something like 450th in their target list but it is still possible they could sneak through.
Tactical voting sites suggest voting Green but Labour have invented their own fake tactical voting site.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.
There was also polling that found that Labour voters were much more likely to vote Green here than Green and Lib Dem voters were to vote Labour.
EDIT: one of the articles says this.
Bookies make the Greens odds-on favourites, followed by Reform and then Labour, for whom Andrew Gwynne won the seat at the 2024 general election with a majority of nearly 13,500. [Post edited 26 Feb 12:23]
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 12:17 - Feb 26 with 349 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 12:04 - Feb 26 by Clapham_Junction |
Sadly seems to be the norm across the political spectrum. Zac Goldsmith went big on it in the 2016 London mayoral election, Labour did it in a previous by-election
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Yes. The Goldsmith campaign was pure dog whistle. Hadn't see that Labour leaflet. It's exactly what the Greens are now doing. Sowing racial division.
That was an awful by election with Galloway throwing abuse in the direction of Kim Leadbeater. | |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 13:09 - Feb 26 with 285 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 09:41 - Feb 26 by GlasgowBlue |
Reform picked a terrible candidate and in the last couple of weeks seem to have given up on winning the seat.
I hope Labour hold. The Greens are running a racially divisive dog whistle campaign using pictures of Starmer with Modi to exploit Muslim-Hindu tensions and of Lammy with Netanyahu to exploit Muslim-Jewish tensions.
FFS VT, are you just going to downvote everything I post for the sake of it. Its an awful campaign by the greens, based on racial divides. As somebody who was so vocal about racial division yesterday you are coming across as a rank hypocrite. It's been heavily criticised by Tell MAMA UK.
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Only a matter of time and some higher poll ratings until we discover the rampant antisemitism in the Green Party! | |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 13:18 - Feb 26 with 273 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 12:15 - Feb 26 by DJR |
I think it is something like 450th in their target list but it is still possible they could sneak through.
Tactical voting sites suggest voting Green but Labour have invented their own fake tactical voting site.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.
There was also polling that found that Labour voters were much more likely to vote Green here than Green and Lib Dem voters were to vote Labour.
EDIT: one of the articles says this.
Bookies make the Greens odds-on favourites, followed by Reform and then Labour, for whom Andrew Gwynne won the seat at the 2024 general election with a majority of nearly 13,500. [Post edited 26 Feb 12:23]
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Labour have done what now?! Surely publishing false tactical voting information through a misleading invented channel is in breach of some sort of election law/rules? |  |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 13:27 - Feb 26 with 247 views | leitrimblue |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 13:18 - Feb 26 by Swansea_Blue |
Labour have done what now?! Surely publishing false tactical voting information through a misleading invented channel is in breach of some sort of election law/rules? |
Still a probably better bet then Labour trying to compete on their um policies..   |  | | |
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