| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? 17:33 - Feb 21 with 1006 views | ChrisAllen7 |
Would anybody else like to see this partnership?? I just don't see the obsession with O'Shea. |  | | |  |
| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 17:34 - Feb 21 with 894 views | Illinoisblue |
O’Shea is the captain so won’t/can’t be dropped, sadly. |  |
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| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 17:35 - Feb 21 with 880 views | carlo88 |
We certainly need a new captain that much is for sure. |  | | |
| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 17:35 - Feb 21 with 883 views | Bluecasp |
There's zero chance of that happening. More likely to be Greaves and Oshea | | | |
| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 17:35 - Feb 21 with 871 views | Garv |
O'Shea has been one of our best players this season.
If anyone's hoping he'll be dropped is going to be hugely disappointed. It's not going to happen.
Amazing how people are prepared to forget how shaky Greaves can be. |  |
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| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 17:39 - Feb 21 with 814 views | jas0999 |
Greaves has also been shaky many times. How much did DO and JG cost? | | | |
| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 17:39 - Feb 21 with 813 views | pointofblue |
| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 17:35 - Feb 21 by Garv |
O'Shea has been one of our best players this season.
If anyone's hoping he'll be dropped is going to be hugely disappointed. It's not going to happen.
Amazing how people are prepared to forget how shaky Greaves can be. |
Greaves was one of the best centre backs in 2023/24. I think the Premier League experience drained him of confidence. I agree, the thought of him and Kipre together fills me with dread. I think O'Shea has issues himself, but he's not going to be dropped any time soon. We don't have an adequate replacement for him. | |
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| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 17:40 - Feb 21 with 800 views | BlacknGoldnBlue |
I'm not a fan of having O'Shea as Captain. I thought he was one of our best players in the Prem but hasn't reached the same levels. Some players are obvious Captains - Morsy, Chambers, Mills, Holland, etc
Personally I would give it to Leif or Matusiwa |  |
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| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 17:42 - Feb 21 with 781 views | ChrisAllen7 |
| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 17:35 - Feb 21 by Garv |
O'Shea has been one of our best players this season.
If anyone's hoping he'll be dropped is going to be hugely disappointed. It's not going to happen.
Amazing how people are prepared to forget how shaky Greaves can be. |
I know we have a pretty decent defensive record but O'Shea has been at fault for a lot of our goals. His distribution is so slow and lethargic. When the team needs a rocket up their arrse he's not exactly the personality to bring us back into games.
I'm not saying he's terrible but I just don't see him captain material and he should absolutely be at risk of being dropped. Morsy was several times last year. No one should be safe | | | |
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| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 17:43 - Feb 21 with 767 views | grow_our_own |
Greaves has also been at fault for goals recently. Eg at Sheff Utd standing still with his arm in the air while they scored their third. I don't think he's got the football brain to play CB. Ball-watches. Positioning wasn't great for Wrexham's in FA Cup. Recently Greaves has improved his Bambi on ice routine when it comes to losing balance and going to ground, but if he's the answer, then we're in deep trouble.
O'Shea and Kipre have generally been good this season. I don't think as a pair they're physical enough against the most robust teams. We're out-competed on set pieces in both boxes. Not just Wrexham's fourth today; one of our corners went straight through the six yard box at head height without any of our players attacking it. We still miss Cameron Burgess, and losing him is 100% on KM. [Post edited 21 Feb 17:47]
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| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 17:55 - Feb 21 with 672 views | Pilgrimblue |
| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 17:35 - Feb 21 by Garv |
O'Shea has been one of our best players this season.
If anyone's hoping he'll be dropped is going to be hugely disappointed. It's not going to happen.
Amazing how people are prepared to forget how shaky Greaves can be. |
Should’ve sorted defence long time ago. While I quite like Kipre, I’ve never felt that Oshay is good enough. His heading is good but rest of game isn’t up to it. Passing has been poor and he’s got no pace so often very easily left behind.
Greaves is better prospect but not with O’Shay. Should never have sold Woolfy!
I don’t think we’ll make it back up so looks like Kieran will be off. Owners have made poor decisions and with so much money failed to recruit the right players. Before we had a proper TEAM but now have a real mish mach with too many not up to it. It’s gong to be a real clear out in May! |  | | |
| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 17:57 - Feb 21 with 665 views | pointofblue |
| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 17:55 - Feb 21 by Pilgrimblue |
Should’ve sorted defence long time ago. While I quite like Kipre, I’ve never felt that Oshay is good enough. His heading is good but rest of game isn’t up to it. Passing has been poor and he’s got no pace so often very easily left behind.
Greaves is better prospect but not with O’Shay. Should never have sold Woolfy!
I don’t think we’ll make it back up so looks like Kieran will be off. Owners have made poor decisions and with so much money failed to recruit the right players. Before we had a proper TEAM but now have a real mish mach with too many not up to it. It’s gong to be a real clear out in May! |
We didn't want to sell Woolfenden - he wanted to go. Same with Broadhead. | |
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| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 17:59 - Feb 21 with 642 views | mrshallisfit |
| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 17:34 - Feb 21 by Illinoisblue |
O’Shea is the captain so won’t/can’t be dropped, sadly. |
He should be. From now on. Nice teeth. Poor centre-half at the top level. Poor captain at any level. | | | |
| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 17:59 - Feb 21 with 636 views | Blue_Heath |
100% O' can't defend or lead but O' I can stand off and run backwards vastly over rated IMHO. Got to be worth a try. | |
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| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 18:00 - Feb 21 with 631 views | mrshallisfit |
| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 17:55 - Feb 21 by Pilgrimblue |
Should’ve sorted defence long time ago. While I quite like Kipre, I’ve never felt that Oshay is good enough. His heading is good but rest of game isn’t up to it. Passing has been poor and he’s got no pace so often very easily left behind.
Greaves is better prospect but not with O’Shay. Should never have sold Woolfy!
I don’t think we’ll make it back up so looks like Kieran will be off. Owners have made poor decisions and with so much money failed to recruit the right players. Before we had a proper TEAM but now have a real mish mach with too many not up to it. It’s gong to be a real clear out in May! |
Starting I'm afraid with McKenna. | | | |
| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 18:00 - Feb 21 with 618 views | pointofblue |
| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 17:59 - Feb 21 by Blue_Heath |
100% O' can't defend or lead but O' I can stand off and run backwards vastly over rated IMHO. Got to be worth a try. |
Is there collective amnesia about how Greaves has looked at CB of late when given the chance? | |
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| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 18:01 - Feb 21 with 611 views | itfcsuth |
I’m not sure Greaves is any better than O’Shea/Kipre. |  | | |
| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 18:02 - Feb 21 with 602 views | J2BLUE |
| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 18:00 - Feb 21 by mrshallisfit |
Starting I'm afraid with McKenna. |
Starting with Matusiwa 
He will have plenty of offers from higher up. |  |
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| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 18:03 - Feb 21 with 598 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
That partnership got us the best defensive record in the league before today. Greaves has largely been poor and is not the answer.
I don’t know why we don’t turn up away from home. I did say we had little chance of auto’s with the poor record we have and this run of away game. I don’t think this squad has the fortitude to get through the playoffs either. [Post edited 21 Feb 20:39]
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| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 18:04 - Feb 21 with 583 views | CrayonKing |
It will never happen but I like the idea of them as a 3, similar to how Palace play. Kipre in the middle playing the Lacroix role. He's good with both feet and would be free to attack everything in the air knowing O'Shea and Greaves are there to mop up anything he doesn't win. |  | | |
| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 18:05 - Feb 21 with 568 views | Blue_Heath |
| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 18:03 - Feb 21 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
That partnership got us the best defensive record in the league before today. Greaves has largely been poor and is not the answer.
I don’t know why we don’t turn up away from home. I did say we had little chance of auto’s with the poor record we have and this run of away game. I don’t think this squad has the fortitude to get through the playoffs either. [Post edited 21 Feb 20:39]
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Stoke and Middlesboro may have something to stake against your claim and we have played less games. | |
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| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 18:05 - Feb 21 with 569 views | ChrisAllen7 |
| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 18:00 - Feb 21 by pointofblue |
Is there collective amnesia about how Greaves has looked at CB of late when given the chance? |
After his disaster against Blackburn away, Kipre came in and cemented his place pretty much. I think with so many games coming up Greaves should be given the opportunity. He has never partnered Kipre as O'Shea is always playing. So we can't really tell how it would work. They might complement each other nicely. We can't count an FA cup tie after 45 mins with a full back playing that never in the squad either. | | | |
| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 08:36 - Feb 22 with 379 views | grow_our_own |
| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 18:05 - Feb 21 by ChrisAllen7 |
After his disaster against Blackburn away, Kipre came in and cemented his place pretty much. I think with so many games coming up Greaves should be given the opportunity. He has never partnered Kipre as O'Shea is always playing. So we can't really tell how it would work. They might complement each other nicely. We can't count an FA cup tie after 45 mins with a full back playing that never in the squad either. |
Agree with most here that O'Shea deserves to retain his position at CB. But if we don't go up this season, it'll warrant some big decisions. I think we benefited from Morsy as captain not just because of this ball-winning, drive, and example, but because of the position he played. Outside the Prem and without VAR, officiating is full of grey areas. Without video assistance, the game is simply too fast to referee accurately, so refs have a much bigger influence on games. I can only really think of the Aston Villa away sending off where a poor decision cost us points in the Prem. Are loads of examples this season. Captain near the ref, with licence to speak with him, getting into his head, making him think he's biased against us won us matches with Morsy. O'Shea, like any CB, is usually too far to influence the ref. As long as captain is one of your better players, and in the right position, then those are the most important factors. As a player, Matusiwa has most of the same attributes as Morsy. I'd say his reading of the game and interceptions are even better than Morsy's. Matus for captain. | | | |
| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 08:40 - Feb 22 with 363 views | Mercian |
| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 17:35 - Feb 21 by Garv |
O'Shea has been one of our best players this season.
If anyone's hoping he'll be dropped is going to be hugely disappointed. It's not going to happen.
Amazing how people are prepared to forget how shaky Greaves can be. |
He really hasn't. |  | | |
| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 08:47 - Feb 22 with 344 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 17:43 - Feb 21 by grow_our_own |
Greaves has also been at fault for goals recently. Eg at Sheff Utd standing still with his arm in the air while they scored their third. I don't think he's got the football brain to play CB. Ball-watches. Positioning wasn't great for Wrexham's in FA Cup. Recently Greaves has improved his Bambi on ice routine when it comes to losing balance and going to ground, but if he's the answer, then we're in deep trouble.
O'Shea and Kipre have generally been good this season. I don't think as a pair they're physical enough against the most robust teams. We're out-competed on set pieces in both boxes. Not just Wrexham's fourth today; one of our corners went straight through the six yard box at head height without any of our players attacking it. We still miss Cameron Burgess, and losing him is 100% on KM. [Post edited 21 Feb 17:47]
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Agree with all this. And on Greaves specifically on paper should be a great player but the reality is that he always has a mistake in him, lacks heart and is actually quite powderpuff fur a man of his size, you're right letting Burgess go to get him in was a colossal mistake. |  | | |
| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 08:55 - Feb 22 with 315 views | DJR |
| Kipre / Greaves partnership?? on 18:03 - Feb 21 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
That partnership got us the best defensive record in the league before today. Greaves has largely been poor and is not the answer.
I don’t know why we don’t turn up away from home. I did say we had little chance of auto’s with the poor record we have and this run of away game. I don’t think this squad has the fortitude to get through the playoffs either. [Post edited 21 Feb 20:39]
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That strikes me as mainly down to the fact that clubs have often set up to thwart us this season, so often haven't spent much of the game attacking us.
One thing I do think has been the case is that we have conceded a lot of soft goals in the last couple of seasons through the centre.
That didn't really happen when we had Burgess and Woolfenden because I think they had better positional sense, and Woolfenden acted as a sweeper, perhaps in part because he was aware of his lack of pace.
It was interesting to note for the first goal, for example, that as well as not closing down Moore, O'Shea lost him when the headed flick on to Moore took place nearer the half-way line.
It is also noticeable more generally that closing down people when there is a chance of a shot seems to me to be a particular weakness for many of our players, just as I find it frustrating (as happened yesterday) when there is a break on, for our players to be ambling forward when they should be getting forward at speed to support the break.
Putting it another way (and leaving aside Matisuwa) we do seem to lack a certain intensity which comes to the fore in games like yesterday and Sheffield United and which suggests to me that we have not necessarily bought the sort of physical players that Ashton suggested in the summer we should have bought the previous summer. [Post edited 22 Feb 9:07]
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