| Muric 16:37 - Mar 1 with 4038 views | _CliveBaker_ |
Another MOTM performance today in Serie A.
I can’t see a way back for him with us whether we go up or not, but I don’t think we’ll be short of offers in the summer. Should be able to get back what we paid for him you would think? |  | | |  |
| Muric on 21:27 - Mar 1 with 888 views | StNeotsBlue |
| Muric on 21:19 - Mar 1 by Churchman |
It wasn’t a couple, i.e. two, was it. There were considerably more on here alone piling in, let alone at games.
If a keeper’s confidence is shredded and the crowd behind is just waiting for him to make mistake, there’s no way he can be exposed to that. He had to go, just as Andy Marshall did in the early 2000s.
Edit: and our healthy cadre of haters know it. Whether it’s Wes Burns, AAH or this season George Hirst people wouldn’t do it if they didn’t think they could affect players. ‘Make a difference’. Why people get pleasure from that is beyond me. Free hit and the pleasure of bullying with no consequences? Only they know. [Post edited 1 Mar 21:29]
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To be clear I'm not defending anyone booing one of our players, but Muric (and Marshall as you brought him up) were in the main poor for us.
That said I'm glad Muric is doing well in Italy and we should be able to get a decent fee for him. |  | | |
| Muric on 21:32 - Mar 1 with 879 views | StNeotsBlue |
| Muric on 21:23 - Mar 1 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Tell yourself that if it makes you feel better, but it was far from only a couple, and not only at the preseason friendly. It wase systematic for months; maybe a minority, but a large vocal one.
Edit: and Palmer was brought in due to Muric having an injury that resulted in him needing an operation. [Post edited 1 Mar 21:26]
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Better about what?
Other than Brighton away, where he was fantastic, he was in the main poor for us. Southampton at home being his defining moment where he was finished with us. | | | |
| Muric on 21:32 - Mar 1 with 879 views | Churchman |
| Muric on 21:27 - Mar 1 by StNeotsBlue |
To be clear I'm not defending anyone booing one of our players, but Muric (and Marshall as you brought him up) were in the main poor for us.
That said I'm glad Muric is doing well in Italy and we should be able to get a decent fee for him. |
Perhaps if Muric had been left alone or encouraged a bit he might have done better/ improved/ become the keeper he clearly is now.
But no, our finest were not interested in that. |  | | |
| Muric on 21:38 - Mar 1 with 850 views | StNeotsBlue |
| Muric on 21:32 - Mar 1 by Churchman |
Perhaps if Muric had been left alone or encouraged a bit he might have done better/ improved/ become the keeper he clearly is now.
But no, our finest were not interested in that. |
Fair play. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, I personally thought he'd lost the confidence of his teammates and manager which had more of an impact than a few numpties tutting in the crowd. | | | |
| Muric on 21:42 - Mar 1 with 822 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Muric on 21:32 - Mar 1 by StNeotsBlue |
Better about what?
Other than Brighton away, where he was fantastic, he was in the main poor for us. Southampton at home being his defining moment where he was finished with us. |
I never said he didn’t struggle for us, although our defence didn’t help. It’s still a fact that we gained more points with Muric in the team than without.
I was reacting to the reasons being given for Muric being let go. His position had been made untenable by a section of our fans. He could have been great for us this season, and his season in Italy gives a glimpse of what may have been. Was never going to happen though, given the vitriol being shown towards him by some. |  | | |
| Muric on 21:43 - Mar 1 with 816 views | Churchman |
| Muric on 21:38 - Mar 1 by StNeotsBlue |
Fair play. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, I personally thought he'd lost the confidence of his teammates and manager which had more of an impact than a few numpties tutting in the crowd. |
Fair enough. Tbf I’ve no idea what his relationship was with manager and players and maybe in time that will come out as it sort of did with Sereni eventually. | | | |
| Muric on 22:27 - Mar 1 with 735 views | positivity |
| Muric on 20:16 - Mar 1 by WestSussexBlue |
So you think Kmc listens and acts upon the opinions of fans?? |
if some fans are booing the player when he comes on in a friendly match, poleaxing the lad's confidence you've spent months trying to build back up, then what could he do? | |
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| Muric on 22:50 - Mar 1 with 699 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Muric on 18:51 - Mar 1 by The_Romford_Blue |
Think it’s always important to remind everyone of what happened the day we played Arsenal at Portman Road.
Muric went out of his way to post on instagram celebrating that he was winning a game of fifa (he was playing against Ipswich as well) mid match on his story while we were losing in real life to Arsenal. Captioned it something like ‘great Sunday’ or something like that.
He was proving a point as a bit of a f**k you. I didn’t respect it, even if it was trivial in the grand scheme of things |
That's clearly an extremely daft thing for him to have done but I would imagine it came as a response to getting grief from his own fans and being dropped. |  |
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| Muric on 06:02 - Mar 2 with 607 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Muric on 21:38 - Mar 1 by StNeotsBlue |
Fair play. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, I personally thought he'd lost the confidence of his teammates and manager which had more of an impact than a few numpties tutting in the crowd. |
Kind of a moot point now, GK isn’t a position that’s been a problem for us this season. It was no10 until Nunez, and no.9.
Walton has the highest number of clean sheets this season in the league having played less games than everyone else. We aren’t guaranteed promotion so GK for next season isn’t a problem for now, Muric didn’t work out, if we get our money back then that’s decent business. Serie A isn’t the standard of the PL these days , and the lower intensity might suit him better. | | | |
| Muric on 06:30 - Mar 2 with 596 views | Blue_Heath |
| Muric on 16:59 - Mar 1 by Kieran_Knows |
I’m sorry, none of the keepers on our books are anywhere close to Muric.
We needed a new number 1 last summer. Needed a new number 1 in January and will need another one in the summer regardless of what league we’re in. |
Agree, thankfully in a lot of games the keepers don't have too much to do. Deffo need a better keeper if we go up. | |
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| Muric on 07:11 - Mar 2 with 551 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| Muric on 16:59 - Mar 1 by Kieran_Knows |
I’m sorry, none of the keepers on our books are anywhere close to Muric.
We needed a new number 1 last summer. Needed a new number 1 in January and will need another one in the summer regardless of what league we’re in. |
That’s extremely harsh on Walton! |  |
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| Muric on 09:23 - Mar 2 with 486 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Muric on 16:59 - Mar 1 by Kieran_Knows |
I’m sorry, none of the keepers on our books are anywhere close to Muric.
We needed a new number 1 last summer. Needed a new number 1 in January and will need another one in the summer regardless of what league we’re in. |
Yep, quite. There is no world where we go into next season, especially PL, with Walton and Palmer as our GK department. It will probably be our most important transfer target of the summer window.
Walton is having a good season but he has been displaced before and had two keepers brought in to play ahead of him. |  |
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| Muric on 09:32 - Mar 2 with 475 views | Facefacts |
Muric would be better on corners than our other keepers, who are always blocked off, so they have to push through. E.g. any Arsenal game.
It seems a bigger and bigger part of the Premier League, as referees are increasingly allowing keepers to be prevented from coming to claim corners.
Walton doesnt come for corners even when they are on the 6 yard line. In the Championship.
I can see Muric coming back, as Italian club(s) will be trying to get him on the cheap. We can't throw him away for next to nothing, when he could come back stronger for us. The coach has to get the best out of him, not let him leave fof next to nothing.
The amount of playing out from the back we do should compare with the relative footballing ability of the goalkeeper. Because Muric followed Hladky, he was expected to be good with his feet.
I think we will have learned from two seasons without Hladky that 99.9% goalkeepers are not good footballers. |  | | |
| Muric on 09:36 - Mar 2 with 456 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Muric on 21:32 - Mar 1 by Churchman |
Perhaps if Muric had been left alone or encouraged a bit he might have done better/ improved/ become the keeper he clearly is now.
But no, our finest were not interested in that. |
Perhaps if KM came out about Muric and supported him publically like he did with Hirst things may have been different as well.
The booing during a friendly was ridiculous, so publically call it out and back the player rather than boot him out of the club.
What i will say is Muric never seemed to smile on any training videos or clips, within the first month of his move there was photos of him having a cracking time with a big smile on his face. So perhaps the suffolk life just wasn't for him. |  |
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| Muric on 09:37 - Mar 2 with 455 views | DJR |
I know it's a case of rinse and repeat when it comes to discussing Muric but I was wondering if his team play it out from the back much. |  | | |
| Muric on 10:21 - Mar 2 with 399 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Muric on 09:23 - Mar 2 by JammyDodgerrr |
Yep, quite. There is no world where we go into next season, especially PL, with Walton and Palmer as our GK department. It will probably be our most important transfer target of the summer window.
Walton is having a good season but he has been displaced before and had two keepers brought in to play ahead of him. |
Muric seems to be one of those players that gets better in people’s minds when he’s gone. If we go up I’d like to see us sign someone better, hopefully tapping the European market again (à la Matisuwa), much more value for money there - Sunderland’s keeper has been excellent (my FF pick!). Muric, fan reception aside was certainly less convincing, even at Burnley he only ever made 10 PL appearances with 7 errors leading to goals. | | | |
| Muric on 10:49 - Mar 2 with 351 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
| Muric on 10:21 - Mar 2 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Muric seems to be one of those players that gets better in people’s minds when he’s gone. If we go up I’d like to see us sign someone better, hopefully tapping the European market again (à la Matisuwa), much more value for money there - Sunderland’s keeper has been excellent (my FF pick!). Muric, fan reception aside was certainly less convincing, even at Burnley he only ever made 10 PL appearances with 7 errors leading to goals. |
He also made the joint-most errors in the league leading directly to a goal last season, despite only playing 18 games. You could make a very long list of players who were poor for us and excelled elsewhere, and vice-versa, it's a shame (and does not excuse how some people treated him) but that's the game. | | | |
| Muric on 11:52 - Mar 2 with 314 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Muric on 09:36 - Mar 2 by FrimleyBlue |
Perhaps if KM came out about Muric and supported him publically like he did with Hirst things may have been different as well.
The booing during a friendly was ridiculous, so publically call it out and back the player rather than boot him out of the club.
What i will say is Muric never seemed to smile on any training videos or clips, within the first month of his move there was photos of him having a cracking time with a big smile on his face. So perhaps the suffolk life just wasn't for him. |
There's a weird trend towards trying to rewrite history and hang responsibility for Muric's sketchiness on the fans when it had been a feature of his game since long before he joined us.
I fully agree booing never helps and whatever happened in that friendly was reprehensible, but Muric had personally cost the team a goal every few games, was crap with his feet contrary to what data appeared to have indicated, and as you suggest, may not have been fitting in - so why would McK have done anything differently when it seems pretty clear he'd seen as much as he needed to see, bought a new keeper and made his mind up? Muric might have only got picked in that friendly in the first place to get his fitness up for a move. | | | |
| Muric on 11:57 - Mar 2 with 302 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Muric on 10:21 - Mar 2 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Muric seems to be one of those players that gets better in people’s minds when he’s gone. If we go up I’d like to see us sign someone better, hopefully tapping the European market again (à la Matisuwa), much more value for money there - Sunderland’s keeper has been excellent (my FF pick!). Muric, fan reception aside was certainly less convincing, even at Burnley he only ever made 10 PL appearances with 7 errors leading to goals. |
He was an odd one. Looked to have all the ingredients to be a top class keeper but perhaps lacked the mentality. Big unit, so commanding of his box on set pieces, really good shot stopper at times and decent with his feet. He cut a really lonely figure here though, I don't think I've ever seen him smile and based on what I heard he didn't integrate particularly well. Had a few off pitch issues as well as the on pitch brain farts. Reminded me of a young David James, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he went on to do well somewhere else but he's not one we'll see in a Town shirt again.
Best thing we can do is recoup what we paid for him in the summer and go again. Certainly a position we'll be looking at if we go up. | | | |
| Muric on 11:59 - Mar 2 with 299 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Muric on 09:32 - Mar 2 by Facefacts |
Muric would be better on corners than our other keepers, who are always blocked off, so they have to push through. E.g. any Arsenal game.
It seems a bigger and bigger part of the Premier League, as referees are increasingly allowing keepers to be prevented from coming to claim corners.
Walton doesnt come for corners even when they are on the 6 yard line. In the Championship.
I can see Muric coming back, as Italian club(s) will be trying to get him on the cheap. We can't throw him away for next to nothing, when he could come back stronger for us. The coach has to get the best out of him, not let him leave fof next to nothing.
The amount of playing out from the back we do should compare with the relative footballing ability of the goalkeeper. Because Muric followed Hladky, he was expected to be good with his feet.
I think we will have learned from two seasons without Hladky that 99.9% goalkeepers are not good footballers. |
Well let's see who from the Premiership is queueing up to sign him.
Muric might sometimes be better on corners, in that sometimes he'd (silently) come out and majestically claim a cross. Other times he'd inexplicably (silently) bludgeon into his own defenders when they had it covered, and we'd concede a goal. Other times he'd (silently) leave a cross to his defenders and let it drift past him, and we'd concede a goal.
From what I gather, data indicated he *is* good with his feet, despite what we saw. Sometimes he'd play a smart ball into midfield. Other times he'd try to dribble round a Brazilian winger, make a complete arse of it, and we'd concede a goal.
The bigger picture around any of his supposed strengths is that he'd show them sometimes. Not all keepers show their supposed strengths all the time, but not all keepers end up on an all-time list of Premiership mistakes leading directly to goals conceded as impressively quickly as Muric did. | | | |
| Muric on 12:01 - Mar 2 with 295 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Muric on 10:21 - Mar 2 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Muric seems to be one of those players that gets better in people’s minds when he’s gone. If we go up I’d like to see us sign someone better, hopefully tapping the European market again (à la Matisuwa), much more value for money there - Sunderland’s keeper has been excellent (my FF pick!). Muric, fan reception aside was certainly less convincing, even at Burnley he only ever made 10 PL appearances with 7 errors leading to goals. |
But you do have to be careful with stats like that - it's been a while since i've looked at them, but i seem to remember he was almost top in terms of cross collections, shots stopped, and various other stats that many people don't care too much about - that would've prevented goals. There have been plenty of goals that Walton and Palmer conceded in the top flight, and this season, that simply wouldn't have happened with Muric in net.
So it's give and take. | |
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| Muric on 12:17 - Mar 2 with 259 views | TownieRob |
| Muric on 21:42 - Mar 1 by SuffolkPunchFC |
I never said he didn’t struggle for us, although our defence didn’t help. It’s still a fact that we gained more points with Muric in the team than without.
I was reacting to the reasons being given for Muric being let go. His position had been made untenable by a section of our fans. He could have been great for us this season, and his season in Italy gives a glimpse of what may have been. Was never going to happen though, given the vitriol being shown towards him by some. |
The 'vitriol' some are referring to? I was at the pre-season game and at most of the games Muric played last season and I didn’t hear anything like what’s now being suggested.
The reality is his Town career started in the worst possible way at Man City. It was a complete car crash and immediately showed the risks in his game. He had a decent one at Brighton, fair enough but there were far more errors than genuinely good moments across his time with us.
The signing always felt more data-driven than data-informed and while the metrics might have looked great on a screen,they don’t capture how awkward he could look, how limited the communication seemed, or that slightly odd, detached presence he gave off at times. For me, it was a poor signing not necessarily because he lacks ability, but because he looked like the wrong type of person/ profile for club/team we strive to be.
Fans will always have opinions and if a player doesn’t look fully at it, that’ll get called out far quicker than someone who’s clearly grafting but just not quite good enough. | | | |
| Muric on 12:36 - Mar 2 with 227 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Muric on 12:17 - Mar 2 by TownieRob |
The 'vitriol' some are referring to? I was at the pre-season game and at most of the games Muric played last season and I didn’t hear anything like what’s now being suggested.
The reality is his Town career started in the worst possible way at Man City. It was a complete car crash and immediately showed the risks in his game. He had a decent one at Brighton, fair enough but there were far more errors than genuinely good moments across his time with us.
The signing always felt more data-driven than data-informed and while the metrics might have looked great on a screen,they don’t capture how awkward he could look, how limited the communication seemed, or that slightly odd, detached presence he gave off at times. For me, it was a poor signing not necessarily because he lacks ability, but because he looked like the wrong type of person/ profile for club/team we strive to be.
Fans will always have opinions and if a player doesn’t look fully at it, that’ll get called out far quicker than someone who’s clearly grafting but just not quite good enough. |
"The 'vitriol' some are referring to?"
This has been revisited so many times. I accept that some may not have heard it, but also feel that some didn't want to hear it.
I was at all but one game Muric played in at Portman Road, and there were groups of fans that were hurling abuse and obscenities at Muric after only a few games. Some seemed to have made up their mind before the season even began, and ManC away was the catalyst to trigger it. Sure, I probably heard it regularly due to being close to the same offenders, but it was certainly not just one or two, and also not grouped together. Possible the 'pack mentality', but ever present. | | | |
| Muric on 13:40 - Mar 2 with 168 views | Churchman |
| Muric on 12:36 - Mar 2 by SuffolkPunchFC |
"The 'vitriol' some are referring to?"
This has been revisited so many times. I accept that some may not have heard it, but also feel that some didn't want to hear it.
I was at all but one game Muric played in at Portman Road, and there were groups of fans that were hurling abuse and obscenities at Muric after only a few games. Some seemed to have made up their mind before the season even began, and ManC away was the catalyst to trigger it. Sure, I probably heard it regularly due to being close to the same offenders, but it was certainly not just one or two, and also not grouped together. Possible the 'pack mentality', but ever present. |
Agree with this.
The reality is he wasn’t Hladky and cost a fee so was slaughtered after one game against the league champions. Once it started, it just got worse. How can you play in front of that? You certainly shouldn’t have to.
Anyone saying it doesn’t have an effect on a player, it clearly does otherwise the numbskulls and cowards that vent their inadequacies on a player wouldn’t do it. And that’s before you get to a certain Mr Burns asking our haters to lay off his son.
As for his next move, we owe it to him to let him go at whatever price we can get. He has no future whatsoever here. | | | |
| Muric on 13:54 - Mar 2 with 145 views | norfsufblue |
All things considered snd with hindsight, making your debut at Man City is not the ideal place to get to know your teammates for the first time, really Walton had not done much wrong against Liverpool and should have kept that shirt for the first away game. Much better to give him the next home game but its all water under the bridge now but if we were to try and give him another shot then he must start with a clean slate and i just know there will people who wouldn't do that! |  | | |
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