| Can we talk about Egeli? 08:23 - Mar 15 with 6580 views | franz_tyson |
I really feel for the lad and I appreciate he's scored a couple of important goals lately, but, surely, McAteer offers more down that right hand side. It's painful when we get on the front foot and the ball goes right. And then all momentum stops because Egeli has to stop and transfer the ball to his left. I'm sure confidence is part of it and he looks as if he's carrying a lot on his shoulders, but he's got to offer more as a wide man.
Being taken off at HT isn't really in the McKenna playbook. Think it's time for McAteer to step up and we've got to look after Egeli a bit and take him out of the firing line.
I've seen him play for Norway u21's and think he scored a hattrick and looked a worldbeater, but looks so ineffective at this level. Having said that, got 4 goals when he's not playing well so there could be a genuine goal-scorer in there.... but just looks a real weakness and so easy to defend against. |  | | |  |
| Can we talk about Egeli? (n/t) on 11:37 - Mar 15 with 842 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? (n/t) on 11:35 - Mar 15 by grow_our_own |
Like I say, I hope you're right, and I'm wrong. |
Not sure you answered my question there. |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? (n/t) on 11:53 - Mar 15 with 802 views | grow_our_own |
| Can we talk about Egeli? (n/t) on 11:37 - Mar 15 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Not sure you answered my question there. |
Matusiwa, O'Shea, Kipre, probably Philogene and Clarke (played in a very poor team last season), Davis with Furlong (we'll be more balanced defensively next time with Furlong), Walton, probably Nunez. We've the best defensive record in the Championship, much better than last time we went up, so I think that's already good enough. Need to avoid throwing babies out with the bathwater like we did last time (eg Burgess & Broadhead). [Post edited 15 Mar 12:03]
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 12:02 - Mar 15 with 783 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Was a really poor performance, looked really far off the level (albeit in a bad team performance). I’m trying but I just haven’t seen this HUGE potential that everyone is talk about. He’s scored a couple good goals but his general play I’m just not sure what I’m meant to excited about.
Let’s hope we get promoted and we can sort him a good loan deal where he can get a season of consistent starts under his belt keep growing physically and then see where we are at. |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? (n/t) on 12:11 - Mar 15 with 763 views | pointofblue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? (n/t) on 11:53 - Mar 15 by grow_our_own |
Matusiwa, O'Shea, Kipre, probably Philogene and Clarke (played in a very poor team last season), Davis with Furlong (we'll be more balanced defensively next time with Furlong), Walton, probably Nunez. We've the best defensive record in the Championship, much better than last time we went up, so I think that's already good enough. Need to avoid throwing babies out with the bathwater like we did last time (eg Burgess & Broadhead). [Post edited 15 Mar 12:03]
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I think you're in for a nasty surprise, unfortunately. Davis, O'Shea, Matusiwa, Nunez and, to an extent, Burns and Philogene might be ready. I have serious doubts about the rest. | |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 12:31 - Mar 15 with 741 views | Rimsy |
Should play him on left, Clarke on right. They both always want to cut back inside. Maybe if they swapped positions they'd be more comfortable taking defenders on the outside, like any good winger should be able to do. |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 12:45 - Mar 15 with 714 views | jas0999 |
Egeli is clearly struggling and can only assume it’s because of a new country and taking time to settle. I personally think he will come good. There have been some really good glimpses of what he can do … but I’d agree he’s not been great.
McAteer on the other hand … I’ve personally seen even less from him. There has been the occasional good cross. But that’s it. He doesn’t seem to have any potential, whereas Egeli in my opinion does. | | | |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 12:50 - Mar 15 with 701 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 12:31 - Mar 15 by Rimsy |
Should play him on left, Clarke on right. They both always want to cut back inside. Maybe if they swapped positions they'd be more comfortable taking defenders on the outside, like any good winger should be able to do. |
We definitely shouldn't. | |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 14:00 - Mar 15 with 638 views | Herbivore |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:41 - Mar 15 by Matt_Netherlands |
Love to know the thoughts if Tudor Mendel. Same position two years older. Tearing the U21 league apart. Top of that division. Can’t even get a spot on the bench whilst a £17m lad in his position struggles to get going….
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If only our coaching staff had some way of seeing both him and Egeli up close on a regular basis so that they can compare where they're both at. |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 14:03 - Mar 15 with 633 views | Herbivore |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:46 - Mar 15 by FrimleyBlue |
Hes involved because ashton forked out a sht load of money on him herbz.
We have u21s that have played against players turning out for prem first teams who dont get a sniff in all positions.
Under KM baggot who lets be honest no long academy lad.. has had bit part cup appearenfes. Humphreys got binned off on loan again. We show 0 trust in youngsters.. but not those with big fees against them. You mention 0 senior appearences. Correct. Not their fault the pathway doesnt exist.
I know youve mentioned Watford but apart from his goal. Well taken mind you from a set piece standing position. His overall contribution was poor. |
If you think KM is playing players based on what Ashton paid for them rather than their ability to contribute then you're going full Frimmers again. Don't go full Frimmers. | |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 14:10 - Mar 15 with 616 views | Broadbent23 |
Maybe a couple of games in the U21 to regenerate his batteries and confidence. For a 19 year old the championship has been a huge jump. There is talent their just need to give him more time to develop Even Haaland has struggled this season. £17m is a big price on your head. Young talent in the past has been burnt out early because of poor management. Let KMc decide his contribution. | |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 14:24 - Mar 15 with 569 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 14:03 - Mar 15 by Herbivore |
If you think KM is playing players based on what Ashton paid for them rather than their ability to contribute then you're going full Frimmers again. Don't go full Frimmers. |
Give over wirh your full frinmers stuff herbz im allowed a personal view of the sport even if you dont agree with it, im not asking you too.
https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/p
That is not a player who should be having starts in a team going for top two.
You tell me
If we hadn't paid what we did for him. Would you see him playing or being put into the under 21s or out on loan?
BTW. As ive said before tho. I think he will end up playing the kane role in the future . He has a lot of attributes but rightside in the efl isnt suited to him imo. |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 14:34 - Mar 15 with 545 views | Herbivore |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 14:24 - Mar 15 by FrimleyBlue |
Give over wirh your full frinmers stuff herbz im allowed a personal view of the sport even if you dont agree with it, im not asking you too.
https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/p
That is not a player who should be having starts in a team going for top two.
You tell me
If we hadn't paid what we did for him. Would you see him playing or being put into the under 21s or out on loan?
BTW. As ive said before tho. I think he will end up playing the kane role in the future . He has a lot of attributes but rightside in the efl isnt suited to him imo. |
Yes he'd be playing even if we'd paid less for him because he's our second best option on the right and our best player on the right was unavailable until Christmas and can't play every game. You're entitled to believe he's only playing because of what we paid for him and I'm entitled to think that's total b0llocks. | |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 14:36 - Mar 15 with 544 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:45 - Mar 15 by Cheltenham_Blue |
There is a thread about Egeli every time we play. He's a young lad, getting his first test outside of Scandinavia in one of, if not THE most competitive leagues in the world totally away from his family and everything he knows.
He's done really well to adapt so far, showed enormous strength at times yesterday, and is clearly loved by the squad who, judging by their reactions to him when he scores or assists all act as father figures to him.
We know that the squad, and the management of the club read these pages, so, although not a pop at the OP specifically, I fail to see with Egeli specifically how these constant posts each week help him, and therefore the club in anyway whatsoever. We really don't need to be repeating the same thing about a young lad each and every week. [Post edited 15 Mar 10:52]
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So we should censor posts/threads on a football board in case the team read them?
Quite the most bizarre suggestion.
What can we discuss then? |  | | |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 14:52 - Mar 15 with 503 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 14:36 - Mar 15 by reusersfreekicks |
So we should censor posts/threads on a football board in case the team read them?
Quite the most bizarre suggestion.
What can we discuss then? |
Don't act stupid. | |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 14:58 - Mar 15 with 484 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 14:52 - Mar 15 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Don't act stupid. |
What you said.
No need to be offensive | | | |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 14:59 - Mar 15 with 484 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 09:41 - Mar 15 by Herbivore |
That's about what Brum paid for Jay Stansfield who has managed a goal every 306 minutes this season. Same number of goals as Hirst, though Hirst has bagged his at a rate of one every 194 minutes. Stansfield has more goals than Azon but a worse goals to minutes ratio, Azon's being one every 273 minutes. So for all the criticism our strikers have had, much of it fair but some of it not, Hirst is scoring a goal just over every 2 full games and Azon is scoring a goal every 3 full games. And both are scoring more frequently than a striker who cost in that £17m ballpark. So in short, £17m on a striker might not have got us much more (indeed possibly even less) than we already have. |
Birmingham paid massively over the odds for Stansfield when they were buying the League One title. There are plenty of strikers around for a lot less who could do a job. Sheffield United took a punt on Patrick Bamford when he was out of contract. He has 9 goals in 14 starts for them.
So those are the two extremes.
edit. Spelling mistake. [Post edited 15 Mar 15:12]
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 15:08 - Mar 15 with 465 views | Churchman |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 14:03 - Mar 15 by Herbivore |
If you think KM is playing players based on what Ashton paid for them rather than their ability to contribute then you're going full Frimmers again. Don't go full Frimmers. |
You are right. Of course he isn’t. What’s the next suggestion? Ashton picks the team?
He selects players on their ability to fulfil what he wants. No more, no less.
I’ve only seen one U21 game. Burns who was working his fitness back up was light years ahead of the rest. The only other player that impressed me at all was the full back Boniface. But that’s a one game sample.
Just because a player looks good in the stiffs doesn’t mean to say he will make the grade. I remember seeing Dean Bowditch as a young player. He was brilliant and even scored from the half way line. His career peaked at MK Dons.
Maybe one or two of the U21s will make it one day. I hope so, but in the meantime Egeli is far too good a player to be trotting around at that level. |  | | |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 15:10 - Mar 15 with 458 views | Herbivore |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 14:59 - Mar 15 by GlasgowBlue |
Birmingham paid massively over the odds for Stansfield when they were buying the League One title. There are plenty of strikers around for a lot less who could do a job. Sheffield United took a punt on Patrick Bamford when he was out of contract. He has 9 goals in 14 starts for them.
So those are the two extremes.
edit. Spelling mistake. [Post edited 15 Mar 15:12]
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You've kind of completely missed the context of tbe discussion. | |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 15:15 - Mar 15 with 447 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 15:10 - Mar 15 by Herbivore |
You've kind of completely missed the context of tbe discussion. |
Surely the discussion was that we paid money on one for the future when that fee could have been better spent on a striker.
I actually disagree, as I think SWE will be a massive talent and we will at least double our money on him. Although the wider point is that we paid £12 for McAteer when that money would have been better used for a striker. For example, Wrexham paid just £2 million Kieffer Moore. | |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 15:18 - Mar 15 with 432 views | Herbivore |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 15:15 - Mar 15 by GlasgowBlue |
Surely the discussion was that we paid money on one for the future when that fee could have been better spent on a striker.
I actually disagree, as I think SWE will be a massive talent and we will at least double our money on him. Although the wider point is that we paid £12 for McAteer when that money would have been better used for a striker. For example, Wrexham paid just £2 million Kieffer Moore. |
The context of the post I was replying to was that we could have signed a blinding striker for £17m but there are pretty limited examples this season of big money striker signings tearing it up. Signing Walle Egeli would have had no impact on us signing someone like Bamford, who you cited, as he was available on a free. Indeed, we were in for him in January. We could also have signed Moore had we wanted to I imagine.
I don't think signing Walle Egeli had any impact on us spending on a striker, we just couldn't find one who ticked all the boxes who was available in January and willing to come to us. And actually, most of the strikers signed in the Championship for decent money this year haven't done a lot and haven't outperformed the much maligned Hirst and Azon in terms of goals to minutes played. [Post edited 15 Mar 15:22]
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 15:19 - Mar 15 with 424 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 15:08 - Mar 15 by Churchman |
You are right. Of course he isn’t. What’s the next suggestion? Ashton picks the team?
He selects players on their ability to fulfil what he wants. No more, no less.
I’ve only seen one U21 game. Burns who was working his fitness back up was light years ahead of the rest. The only other player that impressed me at all was the full back Boniface. But that’s a one game sample.
Just because a player looks good in the stiffs doesn’t mean to say he will make the grade. I remember seeing Dean Bowditch as a young player. He was brilliant and even scored from the half way line. His career peaked at MK Dons.
Maybe one or two of the U21s will make it one day. I hope so, but in the meantime Egeli is far too good a player to be trotting around at that level. |
Bowditch made his debut at 16 years old and made 72 appearances in this league.
Unfortunately injuries had a massive part on how his future panned out not his attributes.
Anyway this isnt really abojt the u21s themselves anyways. Not when it comes to the post about egeli fee other than the fee and it being paid as whats stopped egeli being put in it.
Imo if egeli was a town u21 lad performing how he has this season hed be back in the u21s. His fee is a big reason hes still involved imo. Theres nothing in the performances to show otherwise. | |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 15:24 - Mar 15 with 415 views | Herbivore |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 15:19 - Mar 15 by FrimleyBlue |
Bowditch made his debut at 16 years old and made 72 appearances in this league.
Unfortunately injuries had a massive part on how his future panned out not his attributes.
Anyway this isnt really abojt the u21s themselves anyways. Not when it comes to the post about egeli fee other than the fee and it being paid as whats stopped egeli being put in it.
Imo if egeli was a town u21 lad performing how he has this season hed be back in the u21s. His fee is a big reason hes still involved imo. Theres nothing in the performances to show otherwise. |
So who would you have been playing ahead of him then? McAteer? He's contributed significantly less than Walle Egeli so I'd be interested to hear why McAteer should be starting ahead of him. If you're going to say he shouldn't be playing you need to be able to say who has deserved starts ahead of him. | |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 15:35 - Mar 15 with 387 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 15:24 - Mar 15 by Herbivore |
So who would you have been playing ahead of him then? McAteer? He's contributed significantly less than Walle Egeli so I'd be interested to hear why McAteer should be starting ahead of him. If you're going to say he shouldn't be playing you need to be able to say who has deserved starts ahead of him. |
The argument for McAteer (who I think has been poor) is that he is right footed and quite pacy. SWE does appear very one footed for a winger, which can slow down attacks and narrow the pitch.
The fact we went after Azeez in January probably tell us that in the here and now we think we need more from the position.
Of course year 1 parachute clubs also have money to try and upgrade and get themselves over the line but you’d have to acknowledge, that it would be pretty insane to spend those 3 fees in the same position in one season!
Had his moments, scored some important goals but been a bit underwhelming thus far. [Post edited 15 Mar 15:38]
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 15:35 - Mar 15 with 391 views | Churchman |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 15:19 - Mar 15 by FrimleyBlue |
Bowditch made his debut at 16 years old and made 72 appearances in this league.
Unfortunately injuries had a massive part on how his future panned out not his attributes.
Anyway this isnt really abojt the u21s themselves anyways. Not when it comes to the post about egeli fee other than the fee and it being paid as whats stopped egeli being put in it.
Imo if egeli was a town u21 lad performing how he has this season hed be back in the u21s. His fee is a big reason hes still involved imo. Theres nothing in the performances to show otherwise. |
Second para - that isn’t true. He just stopped developing as a player. He was not good enough for anything more than L1 level in my view and having seen him live in just about all his home appearances and some away. His highlight was the hat trick v Watford.
What he Egeli cost is totally irrelevant. If you believe that then you clearly believe Ashton picks the team and McKenna does what he’s told. I completely disagree. There’s no sinister conspiracy theory here. Just a manager who picks what he thinks is best to win a game.
You said this is not about the U21s but want him bunged into them. So it is about the U21s isn’t it.
He is far too good for that level. I’ve watched him up close. He’s going to be a good player and has contributed this season. His goals have come against Coventry, Blackburn, Watford and Leicester. Without them we might be worse off points wise than we are.
He’s just picked on because of a fee that had nothing to do with him. We used to be supportive of young players. Those days have clearly gone. Sad really.
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 15:41 - Mar 15 with 367 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 15:24 - Mar 15 by Herbivore |
So who would you have been playing ahead of him then? McAteer? He's contributed significantly less than Walle Egeli so I'd be interested to hear why McAteer should be starting ahead of him. If you're going to say he shouldn't be playing you need to be able to say who has deserved starts ahead of him. |
Sure
A mixture depending on fixture
Burns. Doesn't need explaining.
Mcateer. Has created more opportunities and created more clear cut chances and won more duels on the air. Lower goal stat of course.
Clarke.. hit and miss out right but we still know what we get with him
Mehmeti can go left if needed now we have jayden back too.
Further back up Johnson... actually looked solid enough on the right as an outside option. Nothing fancy but got down the line and got balls in. But thats a back up back up choice
Egeli... to come on after 70 minutes when defence tired and his inside runs might ne affective if games opened up.
Mendel give the fella 20 minutes. If he's sht he never gets another shot and time to let go as at 21 hes not a 'youngster' anymore and should be eitber loaned out next year or sold. But if someone is getting stats like he is against some top quality prem 2 players he deserves a shot at senior level.. whats the worst that can happen. He comes on, hes sht we take him off.
If the rightside option is between egeli and mcateer imo it needs to be mcateer start and egeli comes on.
Personally. Altho we tried to get another of the championships top stat players this time from millwall... we should have definitely signed a rw in january. That was a bit of a fail as much as the non striker was. | |
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