| The curious case of Jens Cajuste 10:33 - Mar 16 with 4081 views | Swansea_Blue |
What happened there? Egeli is getting a lot of attention because he’s playing, yet Cajuste’s fall from grace is the bigger story imo. How can someone who at times looked a Rolls Roycebof a player in the PL look so lost in the league below?
We’re committed to buy if we go up aren’t we? What do we do with him then. Take a hit and move on at any loss? [Post edited 16 Mar 10:33]
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| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 10:34 - Mar 16 with 3143 views | Garv |
He suits the PL more than the Championship. I wouldn't mind taking him again next season, depending on the price. |  |
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| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 10:36 - Mar 16 with 3105 views | Reuser_is_God |
The big question in the summer was would his body be up to the rigours of championship football.
The answer is clearly not.
He’ll swan off to the Middle East/America in the summer & see out his career there. |  |
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| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 10:36 - Mar 16 with 3101 views | Chalk_Cheese |
IMO, He is just one of those players suited better to prem level games. He likes space to drive into. so many teams low block and his style becomes limited. Id still have him in my squad. |  | | |
| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 10:39 - Mar 16 with 3037 views | J2BLUE |
If we go up I think we will likely pay out around £5m to get out of the Cajuste and Akpom deals. Based on the reported fees I think other clubs will pay near enough what we were going to pay. We may have to top it up a bit. |  |
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| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 10:39 - Mar 16 with 3003 views | FrimleyBlue |
I feel the efl is to fast for him and his knee just doesn't let him work in a two man midfield, requires far to much running. |  |
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| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 10:40 - Mar 16 with 2987 views | Kieran_Knows |
I’ve been very critical of him and couldn’t understand the furore over him last summer.
Basic midfielder who offers very little. |  |
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| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 10:43 - Mar 16 with 2914 views | ReusersTown |
| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 10:34 - Mar 16 by Garv |
He suits the PL more than the Championship. I wouldn't mind taking him again next season, depending on the price. |
We don't have a choice it's always been reported as loan to buy obligation. Only 6 mill though so not a massive issue. Though not sure about the wages. |  | | |
| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 10:47 - Mar 16 with 2848 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 10:43 - Mar 16 by ReusersTown |
We don't have a choice it's always been reported as loan to buy obligation. Only 6 mill though so not a massive issue. Though not sure about the wages. |
Similar to my thoughts on akpom... do obligation to buys have clauses in them based around number of starts? | |
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| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 10:53 - Mar 16 with 2809 views | _CliveBaker_ |
Getting out of this division is a proper scrap that you have to be up for physically and mentally every time you step over the white line. I don't see it consistently enough in Cajuste, he just doesn't seem to have the dog in him. There's no doubt he's got heaps of ability when he fancies it, you don't play at the level he's played at without it, equally you don't drop from there to the bench in the Championship without other factors. They say hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.
Whether its fitness or desire who knows. Is it a little telling that his best appearances for us have been higher profile games? The derby, or Man United on SKY and broadcast to the world. Can he do it on a cold Tuesday night in Stoke? If you could merge him and Taylor you would have a hell of a partner to Matusiwa. |  | | |
| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 11:00 - Mar 16 with 2743 views | hype313 |
He's a luxury player we don't need in this division. |  |
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| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 11:02 - Mar 16 with 2714 views | Stourbridgeblue |
"Rolls Royce of a player" - completely agree, but I think we need a rally car in the Championship. |  |
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| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 11:07 - Mar 16 with 2637 views | franz_tyson |
I'm one of the minority who didn't rate him last season.
Yes, some lovely touches and looked classy in patches... but when our midfield was getting overrun every game, why didn't he get called out for it? Morsy took all of the blame, yer Cajuste got a free pass. He did bùgger all defensively and got away with it.
A miserable season with very few highs.... so Cajuste's trick ( the roll and stride forward) was one of the highlights in a season of lowlights and pushed his reputation above where it should be.
He should have gone to Saudi. | | | |
| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 11:08 - Mar 16 with 2632 views | USA |
Anyone stating that Cajuste isn't doing it in the Champ because of the physicality of the league, needs to give their head a wobble if they think he'll be a better player in the Prem. Because the Prem, as we witnessed, is levels above in terms of speed and strength.
Cajuste's fitness was questionable last year and hasn't improved. He is good at the 'pirouette' turn, and that's it!! Nothing else.
With obligations to buy him, Akpom and Azon, if we get promoted, for c. £21m is laughable. Money down the drain. [Post edited 16 Mar 11:51]
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| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 11:12 - Mar 16 with 2595 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 11:08 - Mar 16 by USA |
Anyone stating that Cajuste isn't doing it in the Champ because of the physicality of the league, needs to give their head a wobble if they think he'll be a better player in the Prem. Because the Prem, as we witnessed, is levels above in terms of speed and strength.
Cajuste's fitness was questionable last year and hasn't improved. He is good at the 'pirouette' turn, and that's it!! Nothing else.
With obligations to buy him, Akpom and Azon, if we get promoted, for c. £21m is laughable. Money down the drain. [Post edited 16 Mar 11:51]
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Agree with that other than the obligation bit. We don't have one on Azon, that's a straight loan deal and to be obliged to pay £11m for Akpom and Cajuste if we go up isn't a big problem in the context of premier league money. We can get them both out on loan for a decent fee and their wages covered, or on a bad day move them both on for 75% of what we pay. In the grand scheme of things its a minor issue and structuring the deals in a way where we're only obliged upon promotion is the prudent thing to do, even if it means paying a bit more. | | | |
| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 11:13 - Mar 16 with 2580 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 10:40 - Mar 16 by Kieran_Knows |
I’ve been very critical of him and couldn’t understand the furore over him last summer.
Basic midfielder who offers very little. |
In hindsight it makes our chasing of him, and delight at landing him, seem a bit naive. Ashton was positively bouncing when we landed him. Although a lot of us fans were too in fairness.
He looks pure class in moments - that’s what coloured my view. He’s certainly not up to the physicality of the games and schedule. It says a lot when Taylor is a better option (although he gets a bad rap at times and has improved). | |
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| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 11:17 - Mar 16 with 2534 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 11:08 - Mar 16 by USA |
Anyone stating that Cajuste isn't doing it in the Champ because of the physicality of the league, needs to give their head a wobble if they think he'll be a better player in the Prem. Because the Prem, as we witnessed, is levels above in terms of speed and strength.
Cajuste's fitness was questionable last year and hasn't improved. He is good at the 'pirouette' turn, and that's it!! Nothing else.
With obligations to buy him, Akpom and Azon, if we get promoted, for c. £21m is laughable. Money down the drain. [Post edited 16 Mar 11:51]
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There are questions that need to be asked around how much we’re paying for some of these players. Greaves is another one - at least 3x over-priced imo based on how he’s done.
On the flip side, the advantage of playing full whack is landing your targets. When we don’t get them in everyone moans like hell about that, so sometimes the club can’t win. | |
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| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 11:19 - Mar 16 with 2512 views | MattinLondon |
I could well be very wrong but I’m pretty sure that there was a PL who were committed to buying a player after a loan but then decided that they didn’t want him. So they paid some sort of penalty clause instead. Can’t remember the club or player.
To me, Jens Cajuste is a player who somehow looks good on the ball but doesn’t actually do that much with it. A bit like Keanan Bennetts in that regards. |  | | |
| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 11:21 - Mar 16 with 2493 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 10:34 - Mar 16 by Garv |
He suits the PL more than the Championship. I wouldn't mind taking him again next season, depending on the price. |
No thanks.
For all he had some nice dribbles in the prem and a good goal vs Forest, our Midfield was an open door for opposition teams to run straight through. We have Azor now but we need to be signing 2 new midfielders AT LEAST.
*supposing we go up [Post edited 16 Mar 11:26]
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| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 11:24 - Mar 16 with 2453 views | HighgateBlue |
| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 11:00 - Mar 16 by hype313 |
He's a luxury player we don't need in this division. |
Which division is he right for then? Not the Premier League surely? He was part of a midfield in the PL which was sliced through like a knife through butter more times than I care to remember. I didn't think he was good enough in the Premier League, and I'm afraid to say I don't think he's good enough in this league, in terms of being a regular starter for a club with serious top 2 aspirations.
I don't think 'luxury' is a compliment that he's really earned. There's not a great deal in which to luxuriate.
I've got nothing against the guy, mind, I just don't understand where all this Rolls Royce cheat code malarkey comes from given that we've seen him in two divisions now for Ipswich and in my view he's no better than Luongo.
He shows some lovely touches, but points mean prizes. And if his chief asset is showing some lovely little flashes of technique, a goal per season is pretty meagre. |  | | |
| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 11:24 - Mar 16 with 2442 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 11:08 - Mar 16 by USA |
Anyone stating that Cajuste isn't doing it in the Champ because of the physicality of the league, needs to give their head a wobble if they think he'll be a better player in the Prem. Because the Prem, as we witnessed, is levels above in terms of speed and strength.
Cajuste's fitness was questionable last year and hasn't improved. He is good at the 'pirouette' turn, and that's it!! Nothing else.
With obligations to buy him, Akpom and Azon, if we get promoted, for c. £21m is laughable. Money down the drain. [Post edited 16 Mar 11:51]
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I don't think it's the physicality that people are saying he lacks and will be better in the prem, clearly the players are bigger and faster there. I think it's the space and teams up against. Not saying that he's be good enough, but at times he could use the extra space in the prem well and looked to hold his own, at times, a d only a few times. Whereas in the champ he is playing against terriers snapping at his feet, crowding him out, playing low block. He clearly isn't suited to that.
Chances are he goes in the summer as we must be able to do better, but that's not mutually exclusive with him being a slightly better prospect in the prem vs the championship. |  | | |
| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 11:27 - Mar 16 with 2419 views | soupytwist |
| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 11:19 - Mar 16 by MattinLondon |
I could well be very wrong but I’m pretty sure that there was a PL who were committed to buying a player after a loan but then decided that they didn’t want him. So they paid some sort of penalty clause instead. Can’t remember the club or player.
To me, Jens Cajuste is a player who somehow looks good on the ball but doesn’t actually do that much with it. A bit like Keanan Bennetts in that regards. |
That was Chelsea deciding they'd rather give Man Utd £5m so they could send Jaydon Sancho back after his loan instead of buying him for £25m and the associated wages cost.
If a club does fulfil the buying obligation with the intention of the punting the player out on loan, or selling on quickly, what kind of contract would the club offer the player? Presumably a fairly short one. |  | | |
| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 11:29 - Mar 16 with 2383 views | Len_Brennan |
Wasn't he voted runner-up in our player of the season ballot last season in the PL?
We can certainly complain about his performances this season (when played), but clearly there was some sort of consensus that he performed well for us last season.
With Nunez out, I would consider him for the deeper central #10 role, that gives us an extra body in midfield when needed, especially when he is one of the most capable at break forward while carrying the ball into attacking areas; in a one v one he is a nightmare for a defender & can ghost past most when in motion.
At times we have struggled against sides with 3 in the middle, eg. Middlesbrough with Hackney, Morris & Browne; if Nunez is unavailable, Cajuste could certainly do a job as the attacking one of three for us. | |
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| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 11:34 - Mar 16 with 2348 views | franz_tyson |
| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 11:24 - Mar 16 by Axeldalai_lama |
I don't think it's the physicality that people are saying he lacks and will be better in the prem, clearly the players are bigger and faster there. I think it's the space and teams up against. Not saying that he's be good enough, but at times he could use the extra space in the prem well and looked to hold his own, at times, a d only a few times. Whereas in the champ he is playing against terriers snapping at his feet, crowding him out, playing low block. He clearly isn't suited to that.
Chances are he goes in the summer as we must be able to do better, but that's not mutually exclusive with him being a slightly better prospect in the prem vs the championship. |
But he didn't do much in the Premier League. So overrated..... we don't need a pretty player in a losing team. Thats what he was. | | | |
| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 11:41 - Mar 16 with 2298 views | Smoresy |
Honestly I thought we were beaten up last season and not least in the middle of the park. Cajuste struggled imo except for his trademark swivel-dribble, which was a modest highlight and pitched him above those around him, all of which were below regular PL standard.
I wasn't surprised to find that his "numbers" point to him being arguably a more effective and influential player in the Championship (comparison tool available here: https://www.squawka.com/en/com Problem is we hoped he'd be close to best in class at this level, not somewhere between regular standard and good. FWIW I think he'd start as often as his body allows for mid-table teams, which couldn't be said with a straight face in the PL. | | | |
| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 11:43 - Mar 16 with 2283 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| The curious case of Jens Cajuste on 11:34 - Mar 16 by franz_tyson |
But he didn't do much in the Premier League. So overrated..... we don't need a pretty player in a losing team. Thats what he was. |
I don't think anyone is arguing that he'd be the answer in the prem, or that he was last time. He was occasionally above adequate in a struggling team with quite a few worse than him. Next time round, he'd be the absolute bottom of the pile of choices, if that, for our midfield, showing we've come that bit further as we develop the squad on with time. | | | |
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