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Spot on from Palace fan... on 23:37 - Mar 16 by itfc1108
We don't seem to have the fans forums much anymore to raise issues like this with MA. I think even though we are 3rd, many would also like to talk to KM about style of play etc, but it's like the club don't want him to be questioned in this way. When things were going really well, we had then very often.
Didn’t we have a fans forum with McKenna, Ashton and Schwartz just a few months ago?
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Spot on from Palace fan... on 23:49 - Mar 16 by Funge
I was whinging to Steve_M about the state of moden football the the other week, maybe you too.
It's so, well, strange at PR now; there is no incentive to get in the ground early, and, frankly, people have been going down early for beers for pretty much forever. At times under Mick and Lambert, you'd go down after 25 mins and not come back, but that's perhaps another story.
The 'light show' they have before the evening games is *utter* sh1t - is Ashton next to the fusebox flicking all the switches with his big ruler, that he otherwise waves at John Busby?
The flame-throwers, also rubbish. The fact that the ground now looks like an Audi showroom, rubbish; that hyperactive school disco DJ shouting 'BLOOOOO ARMUUUUYYY' after binging on MAOM bars; complete rubbish; the bored lads in their high-viz jackets adding needless minutes into getting into one of the safest football grounds in Europe.... yeah, you get the picture.
It really shouldn't be that difficult to cultivate an atmosphere, and yet all of this Temu-manufactured dross that Ashton forces upon us, does precisely nothing to get the crowd excited.
Get Blue Action on the case, is the obvious answer - but there's no money in that, is there, Mark?
Modern football is toss.
Spectacular Times. Don't live it, watch and consume it.....
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Spot on from Palace fan... on 19:33 - Mar 16 by Illinoisblue
Was thinking the other day you see the “ fire canons” at a lot of games now but if they one day weren’t there there’s not one fan - not one - who would say they wished they could see fire pre-game. Which begs the question why the fk do clubs persist with it. There’s a cost involved.. could be an instant saving binning it.
And while it doesn’t affect me directly, whenever I hear the Portman Rd announcer doing his exaggerated “bluuuere army” chants a little part of me dies inside. It all seems so misguided and unnecessary.
I’m only surprised we haven’t done cheerleaders yet (seriously). Especially with the American owners. The same pre-match bollox is down here at Swansea too (also US owners) and it wouldn’t surprise me at all to see one of us in the near future wheel out the Blue Belles or Swansea Cygnets.
And then when we get out 15 minute ad breaks, we can have ‘fan’s showtime’.
Spot on from Palace fan... on 07:35 - Mar 17 by Swansea_Blue
I’m only surprised we haven’t done cheerleaders yet (seriously). Especially with the American owners. The same pre-match bollox is down here at Swansea too (also US owners) and it wouldn’t surprise me at all to see one of us in the near future wheel out the Blue Belles or Swansea Cygnets.
And then when we get out 15 minute ad breaks, we can have ‘fan’s showtime’.
We used to have the Dolly Dancers (I think that was the name) pre game and at half time back in the 70’s. Young girls in hot pants with Pom poms. Older supporters may remember.
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As soon as it became about money on 22:14 - Mar 16 by Dyland
It was inevitable the yanks would eventually pile in, sanitise (this word has a red line under it on my computer because it's spelled incorrectly according to the yanks) it all to make money. Free market capitalism innit.
Nothing is sacred and nothing is safe. Literally nothing. Not our national sport, not our institutions, not democracy, not human creativity or even thought.
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Adrian Tempany (who I seem to recall from ancient threads, Lagos knows?) predicted this happening to football in his excellent post-Hillsborough book 'And the Sun Shines Now'.
The noisy, edgy terrace lifestyle that so many kids grew up in, supported by a community that no longer existed elsewhere became the product, sold around the world. It would then be destroyed by the commercial removal of the people who made it attractive in the first place.
It's sad but inevitably, it's happening. Now, where's my old air horn...?
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It's 106 miles to Portman Road, we've got a full tank of gas, half a round of Port Salut, it's dark... and we're wearing blue tinted sunglasses.
As soon as it became about money on 07:51 - Mar 17 by Plums
Adrian Tempany (who I seem to recall from ancient threads, Lagos knows?) predicted this happening to football in his excellent post-Hillsborough book 'And the Sun Shines Now'.
The noisy, edgy terrace lifestyle that so many kids grew up in, supported by a community that no longer existed elsewhere became the product, sold around the world. It would then be destroyed by the commercial removal of the people who made it attractive in the first place.
It's sad but inevitably, it's happening. Now, where's my old air horn...?
[Post edited 17 Mar 7:56]
Yep, Ade is a good mate.
I actually get a name check in his book :-)
His book should be compulsory reading for everyone who wishes to understand what so many of us are banging on about.
Spot on from Palace fan... on 19:49 - Mar 16 by TRUE_BLUE123
I absolutely loathe the pre match build up for our games. The bloke on the mic is irritating beyond belief, the fire cannons, smoke machines is just ridiculous.
Let's cut all the loud music and have the fans make some noise and get rid of Hey Jude as well please.
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I am pretty sure if you could take your beer to your seat there would be more supporters in their seats before kickoff, less need to bail out before half time, less congestion round the concourse before kick off and half time, more fans in their seats at half time and the dribble of late comers before the start of the first and second half.
But of course we would all be hammered, abusive, fighting, throwing things at each other and on to the pitch. We just can’t be trusted.
A couple of observations, the second rather tangential.
1. In my view football has been going downhill since the decision in the early 80s to allow home clubs to keep all the gate receipts, something that favoured the "big" teams.
2. The atmosphere from the Palace fans last season was very poor, given their supposed reputation and the fact that the game wasn't a walkover.
Generally the fans need to be more central in the experience. Atmosphere needs to be nudged, not choreographed. Glad we haven't gone as far as Norwich's awful tannoy-song after every goal, but the fans are best placed to choose what they want to sing, not a PA announcer.
Portman Road benefits from pre-dating FIFA's stupid distance-from-pitch regs that were designed to give space for multiple rows of advertising hoardings, and reduce matchday experience. Side stands at FPR are nice and close. But every ground needs a kop. The two latest major clubs to build a stadium: Spurs and Everton knew this, built a sizable kop and made it maximum steepness. The Sir Alf Ramsey was a design fail. Should have been single tier. I know that reduces commercial income because single tier stands can't include exec boxes/restaurants, but they should instead have placed boxes/restaurants at the Sir Bobby end where housing behind constricted the club into a two tier design. Sir Bobby is nearer the town centre so a better location commercially.
There generally needs to be more push-back on police designing the match-day experience. Just as, rightly, Maccabi Tel Aviv fans were eventually allowed to travel to Aston Villa, so 12:30 kick-offs, away-fan bubbles, and banning away fans from being adjacent the most vociferous home supporters needs to be opposed. Ideally Sir Alf would have been a big single-tier, with maybe a quarter/third given to away fans.
"It’s way beyond saturation point" - agree. Being made worse by EFL's extension of the season by a six-team playoff, and FIFA's expansion of the WC finals to include minnows who stand no chance of winning. I'd like to return to Saturday 3pm kick-offs and a single televised Sunday match. Keep football special. It's a great sport, but won't survive blanket, land-fill coverage.
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Spot on from Palace fan... on 10:46 - Mar 17 with 317 views
Spot on from Palace fan... on 07:48 - Mar 17 by GlasgowBlue
We used to have the Dolly Dancers (I think that was the name) pre game and at half time back in the 70’s. Young girls in hot pants with Pom poms. Older supporters may remember.
Spot on from Palace fan... on 07:48 - Mar 17 by GlasgowBlue
We used to have the Dolly Dancers (I think that was the name) pre game and at half time back in the 70’s. Young girls in hot pants with Pom poms. Older supporters may remember.
Excellent! I don’t remember them, but I started in about 76/77 and was too young to appreciate these sort of thing. I remember the police dog demonstrations, although that might have been a bit later.
As soon as it became about money on 07:51 - Mar 17 by Plums
Adrian Tempany (who I seem to recall from ancient threads, Lagos knows?) predicted this happening to football in his excellent post-Hillsborough book 'And the Sun Shines Now'.
The noisy, edgy terrace lifestyle that so many kids grew up in, supported by a community that no longer existed elsewhere became the product, sold around the world. It would then be destroyed by the commercial removal of the people who made it attractive in the first place.
It's sad but inevitably, it's happening. Now, where's my old air horn...?
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I absolutely don’t miss wading through piss in the bogs behind the Churchman’s not wondering if I was going to get my head kicked in on the way home. I do miss being able to wander round the terraces bumping into friends and spending the match together and with like minded people who just wanted to sing, or not, whatever. It was a lot more of a social/group thing. Sitting next to Mavis who’s brought a picnic doesn’t quite feel the same.
We will never go back to how it was either,it’s an expensive family entertainment business now.
Families mostly like all that build up stuff.It’s exciting to them.
The 6000 on the season ticket list,I bet you a fair few of them are on it as they want to see the big clubs play from the top league,just as much as they do Towen.
It’s a funny old game,well it’s a more a expensive old game now!
Spot on from Palace fan... on 10:50 - Mar 17 by Swansea_Blue
Excellent! I don’t remember them, but I started in about 76/77 and was too young to appreciate these sort of thing. I remember the police dog demonstrations, although that might have been a bit later.
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Do you remember when that Apache helicopter did the bow to the NS when it came into the stadium? That was amazing!
Spot on from Palace fan... on 10:50 - Mar 17 by Swansea_Blue
Excellent! I don’t remember them, but I started in about 76/77 and was too young to appreciate these sort of thing. I remember the police dog demonstrations, although that might have been a bit later.
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They were still there in 76/77 but like you I was m ore interested in trying to get Trevor Whymark's autograph than watching young scantily dressed women kicking their legs in the air.
They must have been freezing in the winter months.
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Spot on from Palace fan... on 11:06 - Mar 17 by GlasgowBlue
They were still there in 76/77 but like you I was m ore interested in trying to get Trevor Whymark's autograph than watching young scantily dressed women kicking their legs in the air.
They must have been freezing in the winter months.
Spot on from Palace fan... on 10:29 - Mar 17 by grow_our_own
Generally the fans need to be more central in the experience. Atmosphere needs to be nudged, not choreographed. Glad we haven't gone as far as Norwich's awful tannoy-song after every goal, but the fans are best placed to choose what they want to sing, not a PA announcer.
Portman Road benefits from pre-dating FIFA's stupid distance-from-pitch regs that were designed to give space for multiple rows of advertising hoardings, and reduce matchday experience. Side stands at FPR are nice and close. But every ground needs a kop. The two latest major clubs to build a stadium: Spurs and Everton knew this, built a sizable kop and made it maximum steepness. The Sir Alf Ramsey was a design fail. Should have been single tier. I know that reduces commercial income because single tier stands can't include exec boxes/restaurants, but they should instead have placed boxes/restaurants at the Sir Bobby end where housing behind constricted the club into a two tier design. Sir Bobby is nearer the town centre so a better location commercially.
There generally needs to be more push-back on police designing the match-day experience. Just as, rightly, Maccabi Tel Aviv fans were eventually allowed to travel to Aston Villa, so 12:30 kick-offs, away-fan bubbles, and banning away fans from being adjacent the most vociferous home supporters needs to be opposed. Ideally Sir Alf would have been a big single-tier, with maybe a quarter/third given to away fans.
"It’s way beyond saturation point" - agree. Being made worse by EFL's extension of the season by a six-team playoff, and FIFA's expansion of the WC finals to include minnows who stand no chance of winning. I'd like to return to Saturday 3pm kick-offs and a single televised Sunday match. Keep football special. It's a great sport, but won't survive blanket, land-fill coverage.
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Yeah, even if you take away the fact of where it is, the World Cup is going to be a farce with 48 teams. 104 games. That's just under a fifth of a Championship season compressed into a month. I'm probably going to try and avoid it because of the whole Trump thing tbh.
And what Frimmers said about FA Cup Final day is true. More often than not, these days, I don't bother with it. Since the EPL started the only teams to have won it outside the big six in 34 years are Everton under BFJ, Pompey, Wigan, Leicester, and Palace. (Granted, Spurs have never won it in that time, and obviously you couldn't consider Man City as a major player until about 2010, but you get the idea).
Then there's the League Cup. Yes, you get a wider variety of winners (I'm the EPL era Leicester, Villa, Brum, Swansea, Newcastle, Boro, Blackburn), but who remembered that the final is actually this Sunday. I even had to check to see who was playing.
I get that things have to move on, and no matter how much we may yearn for Entry of the Gladiators, Golden Goal times, and a Peter Phillips or Bryan Knights type on the PA, it ain't gonna happen. Sad, but true I'm afraid.
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Spot on from Palace fan... on 11:47 - Mar 17 with 216 views
Spot on from Palace fan... on 19:39 - Mar 16 by J2BLUE
Yep, 100%.
Not sure what can be done about it. As soon as one team chases an income stream the rest follow.
Maybe in 20-30 years teams will abandon their stadiums for a state of the art arena with 1000 cameras for VAR and a choice of 20 virtual seats to watch with your VR headset.
Robots and AI doing 90% of jobs and the rest of us on UBI. No two games in the league kicking off at the same time as they are staggered for maximum exposure. Massive deals with Budweiser and Doritos as they look to increase sales to viewers at home.
Sky introducing the Full Kit W@nker Superfan package where Tarquin from Weybridge can have a virtual ST at his favourite eight Premier League clubs with a replica shirt for all of them. Built in interactive social media because who doesn't want to see what BigJohn1992 from Aberdeen thinks of the opening 10 minutes of Arsenal vs Chelsea? 'Support both teems, hope itz draw lmfao'.
Like and subscribe to the interactive match stream thread for your chance to win an NFT signed virtually by your clubs e-sports captain.
Very good... but terrifying.
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Spot on from Palace fan... on 11:55 - Mar 17 with 198 views
Spot on from Palace fan... on 19:44 - Mar 16 by FrimleyBlue
Lol. That last line. Me and my son laugh about that each time
" oh thats who our manager is " thanks for that
its to make sure the "tourist fans" know who he is and who to cheer on.
it is sad that there is more emphasis on getting in the tourist fans, they go to the shop buy stuff, buy programmes, buy memorabilia , post messages to get other tourist fans to come along and get likes.
its big money , hence why you will never have a high % of season ticket holders to capacity. need to keep the seats available for the tourist fans.
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Spot on from Palace fan... on 11:57 - Mar 17 with 192 views
Spot on from Palace fan... on 11:55 - Mar 17 by Chalk_Cheese
its to make sure the "tourist fans" know who he is and who to cheer on.
it is sad that there is more emphasis on getting in the tourist fans, they go to the shop buy stuff, buy programmes, buy memorabilia , post messages to get other tourist fans to come along and get likes.
its big money , hence why you will never have a high % of season ticket holders to capacity. need to keep the seats available for the tourist fans.
Especially in the Premier League and of course a top Championship team.
Spot on from Palace fan... on 21:49 - Mar 16 by GlasgowBlue
Early 70's. But I don't recall ever hearing it when I started going in '74. We had 'Keep Right On To The End Of The Road' and " The Blaydon Races'. With 'Entry of the Gladiators' as the team came on.
My abiding first memories were having this one blasting round the stadium: David Essex
People leaving early before HT to get a pie and pint really should not be 1 of the things we are worrying about. If I do not leave 1-2 mins early then I have to queue and wait to get in Beatties (1 in 1 out once gets to 500). I then queue again to get a beer and a pie. In fact now I order half a pint rather than a full pint as I usually have about 3 mins left to eat said pie and drink the beer. The pies are nice now and I like the beer to, it is part of the matchday experience for me that I look forward to, and if I have to leave 1-2 mins before HT to get it then I am sorry for obstructing your view for 3 seconds!!
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Spot on from Palace fan... on 12:09 - Mar 17 with 171 views
Spot on from Palace fan... on 12:05 - Mar 17 by ITFCson
People leaving early before HT to get a pie and pint really should not be 1 of the things we are worrying about. If I do not leave 1-2 mins early then I have to queue and wait to get in Beatties (1 in 1 out once gets to 500). I then queue again to get a beer and a pie. In fact now I order half a pint rather than a full pint as I usually have about 3 mins left to eat said pie and drink the beer. The pies are nice now and I like the beer to, it is part of the matchday experience for me that I look forward to, and if I have to leave 1-2 mins before HT to get it then I am sorry for obstructing your view for 3 seconds!!
Spot on from Palace fan... on 07:35 - Mar 17 by Swansea_Blue
I’m only surprised we haven’t done cheerleaders yet (seriously). Especially with the American owners. The same pre-match bollox is down here at Swansea too (also US owners) and it wouldn’t surprise me at all to see one of us in the near future wheel out the Blue Belles or Swansea Cygnets.
And then when we get out 15 minute ad breaks, we can have ‘fan’s showtime’.
Hang on, I'm sure we *DID* have cheerleaders for a brief time more recently, or am I imagining it?
Somewhere between the Keane and McCarthy era. They were a bit rubbish.
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