| Islamophobia pure and simple 15:48 - Mar 19 with 4633 views | DJR |
Sadly it's normalised these days in the right wing media and has been for quite a few years.
But this has an impact on Muslims in this country, including those who rang into LBC this morning and my daughter's best friend, because it produces a climate of fear.
Timothy doubled down in article in today's Telegraph with very dubious reasoning.
"Some MPs and commentators say public concern [about prayer events like the one in Trafalgar Square] is misplaced. Some have even called it racist or – to use the recent invention – “Islamophobic”. They claim this exhibition of faith is no different from Trafalgar Square hosting dancing Sikhs, drinking football fans, or an Easter Passion Play.
But this is wrong. First, the adhan makes the theological claim that there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger. That is, by definition, a repudiation of other beliefs. When proclaimed publicly, it is not just private devotion made visible; it is a declaration of dominance.
Some claim the adhan is no different from the peal of church bells, or the recital of the Nicene Creed in church. But this is wrong on three counts. First, church bells simply ring out, and do not assert any theological message or criticism of other faiths. Second, the Nicene Creed is a personal statement of faith that begins, “I believe”.
And third, even if these facts were not true, Christianity holds a different place to other religions in Britain. It is the foundation of our way of life, expressed in laws and norms and our institutional, intellectual and cultural inheritance. Expressions of Christianity here do not seek to challenge or replace anything, because our society rests upon the Christian idea.
The adhan, however, explicitly rejects the Christian belief in Jesus and the Holy Trinity, and asserts the truth of the Islamic faith. Indeed, historically the adhan was not only a communal call to prayer, but a declaration of Islamic control over a territory."
In defending Timothy, the Tories appear to be all over the place.
"Q: [From Peter Walker from the Guardian] Yesterday you backed what Nick Timothy said about the Ramadan event in Trafalgar Square. What was your objection to it? Yesterday your party said it was a segregation matter. This morning the party chair, Kevin Hollinrake, said it was a general point about prayer in public. But in an article this morning Timothy said this was a specific point about Islam. What is the party’s position?
Badenoch says they are both right.
She says the Tories believe in freedom of religion.
But this debate which Nick is having is not about freedom of religion. It is about how religion is expressed in a shared public space, and whether those expressions fit within the norms of British culture." [Post edited 21 Mar 10:29]
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 15:51 - Mar 19 with 2165 views | DJR |
Farage says "Hold my beer!"
"I put it to you that what happened in Trafalgar Square this week should act as a wake up call and a warning to everybody.
We have always been a country that believes in religious tolerance. We’ve always been open to those of different faiths, persuasions and beliefs coming to our country and having their own private observance, but integrating in public. I think, to be honest, the Jewish community is probably the best example I can think of that.
But mass public praying, mass chanting of Islamic slogans in Trafalgar Square was a shock.
Until you learn that the same group, the Ramadan Tent Project, have done it in Coventry Cathedral, they’ve done it in London’s Guildhall, they’ve done it in the Victoria and Albert Museum. Folks, if it hasn’t come to Scotland yet, it will come soon. This is an open, deliberate, wilful attempt, not at the private observance of a different religion, but the attempt to overtake, intimidate and dominate our way of life." | | | |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 15:52 - Mar 19 with 2145 views | J2BLUE |
It's going to get worse.
I saw a video of Tommy Robinson fangirling over Alex Jones in the US recently. Then the other day he said he was going to give a presentation to high ranking US government officials about how Islam has taken over Europe. |  |
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 15:53 - Mar 19 with 2152 views | Zx1988 |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 15:51 - Mar 19 by DJR |
Farage says "Hold my beer!"
"I put it to you that what happened in Trafalgar Square this week should act as a wake up call and a warning to everybody.
We have always been a country that believes in religious tolerance. We’ve always been open to those of different faiths, persuasions and beliefs coming to our country and having their own private observance, but integrating in public. I think, to be honest, the Jewish community is probably the best example I can think of that.
But mass public praying, mass chanting of Islamic slogans in Trafalgar Square was a shock.
Until you learn that the same group, the Ramadan Tent Project, have done it in Coventry Cathedral, they’ve done it in London’s Guildhall, they’ve done it in the Victoria and Albert Museum. Folks, if it hasn’t come to Scotland yet, it will come soon. This is an open, deliberate, wilful attempt, not at the private observance of a different religion, but the attempt to overtake, intimidate and dominate our way of life." |
When the dog-whistling and hate speech by Führage, Tommy Ten Names, and their ilk eventually comes to its predictable conclusion, I sincerely hope the lot of them will be up before a judge, charged with being accessories to the fact. |  |
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 16:00 - Mar 19 with 2119 views | DJR |
Sayeeda Warsi, a former co-chair of the Conservative party who resigned the Tory whip in the House of Lords in 2024 citing concerns of double standards against minorities, said she had been getting messages all day from Conservatives who are Muslims.
“They are asking where this is all heading, and they include people who are in senior leadership positions,” said the peer, who continues to be a member of the party. “It makes British Muslims feel they are not welcome any more. On top of that, this is a sectarian approach, which is electoral suicide.” | | | |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 16:07 - Mar 19 with 2081 views | BlueBadger |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 15:53 - Mar 19 by Zx1988 |
When the dog-whistling and hate speech by Führage, Tommy Ten Names, and their ilk eventually comes to its predictable conclusion, I sincerely hope the lot of them will be up before a judge, charged with being accessories to the fact. |
'We just have Very Real Concerns, m'lud' |  |
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 16:14 - Mar 19 with 2057 views | giant_stow |
Its just blatant racism and yet another example of how we're regressing (coming from mainstream party) |  |
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 16:23 - Mar 19 with 2011 views | leitrimblue |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 15:51 - Mar 19 by DJR |
Farage says "Hold my beer!"
"I put it to you that what happened in Trafalgar Square this week should act as a wake up call and a warning to everybody.
We have always been a country that believes in religious tolerance. We’ve always been open to those of different faiths, persuasions and beliefs coming to our country and having their own private observance, but integrating in public. I think, to be honest, the Jewish community is probably the best example I can think of that.
But mass public praying, mass chanting of Islamic slogans in Trafalgar Square was a shock.
Until you learn that the same group, the Ramadan Tent Project, have done it in Coventry Cathedral, they’ve done it in London’s Guildhall, they’ve done it in the Victoria and Albert Museum. Folks, if it hasn’t come to Scotland yet, it will come soon. This is an open, deliberate, wilful attempt, not at the private observance of a different religion, but the attempt to overtake, intimidate and dominate our way of life." |
Yer can understand where poor Nig is coming from. This foreign Middle Eastern religion is clearly destroying our native culture. Its time to put an end to this evil and return to our glorious British pagan past.
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 16:40 - Mar 19 with 1942 views | ElderGrizzly |
This was from a Reform election launch today
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 16:51 - Mar 19 with 1900 views | Camul123 |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 16:23 - Mar 19 by leitrimblue |
Yer can understand where poor Nig is coming from. This foreign Middle Eastern religion is clearly destroying our native culture. Its time to put an end to this evil and return to our glorious British pagan past.
But that's enough about Christianity |
Isn't Farage a huguenot ?
Not very English and ancestors arrived illegally by boat across the channel | | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 16:53 - Mar 19 with 1891 views | Swansea_Blue |
Fk it. Internet problems. Short version of what I tried to post - yes, we’ve got an Islamophobia problem in this country and MPs are stoking it (and have for a while - Braverman/Johnson, etc). [Post edited 19 Mar 16:55]
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 16:55 - Mar 19 with 1871 views | BlueBadger |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 16:51 - Mar 19 by Camul123 |
Isn't Farage a huguenot ?
Not very English and ancestors arrived illegally by boat across the channel |
He's a huge something.... | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 17:00 - Mar 19 with 1831 views | BlueBadger |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 16:53 - Mar 19 by Swansea_Blue |
Fk it. Internet problems. Short version of what I tried to post - yes, we’ve got an Islamophobia problem in this country and MPs are stoking it (and have for a while - Braverman/Johnson, etc). [Post edited 19 Mar 16:55]
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Starmer has demonstrated that he's not above a bit of it as well. Albeit less obviously than the likes Farage with his 'Island of strangers' speech and an overall much more centrist 'what if we just do a LITTLE racism' content to it. | |
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 17:38 - Mar 19 with 1723 views | Texaco73 |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 16:23 - Mar 19 by leitrimblue |
Yer can understand where poor Nig is coming from. This foreign Middle Eastern religion is clearly destroying our native culture. Its time to put an end to this evil and return to our glorious British pagan past.
But that's enough about Christianity |
We still use the old pagan gods names in the week days, plus Eostre and Yule are pagan festivals. The Christians did their best to reappropriate them to help with the conversion and 'domination'.
Happy Thor's day, everyone. |  | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:10 - Mar 19 with 1660 views | WD19 |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 16:53 - Mar 19 by Swansea_Blue |
Fk it. Internet problems. Short version of what I tried to post - yes, we’ve got an Islamophobia problem in this country and MPs are stoking it (and have for a while - Braverman/Johnson, etc). [Post edited 19 Mar 16:55]
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I was encouraged that he doesn’t want to be called Islamophobic he would rather just be called plain old racist. That’s refreshingly helpful.
And a tw@t. He can be called that too for good measure. |  | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:57 - Mar 19 with 1548 views | Swansea_Blue |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 17:00 - Mar 19 by BlueBadger |
Starmer has demonstrated that he's not above a bit of it as well. Albeit less obviously than the likes Farage with his 'Island of strangers' speech and an overall much more centrist 'what if we just do a LITTLE racism' content to it. |
They’ve been a bit of a disappointment with their continuation of the hostile environment approach, that’s for sure. It’s ridiculous that we’re harming businesses and other areas that rely on immigration (short or longer term), whilst simultaneously denying the Treasury of £billions extra tax income, just to placate xenophobes and racists. | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 19:04 - Mar 19 with 1530 views | BlueBadger |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:57 - Mar 19 by Swansea_Blue |
They’ve been a bit of a disappointment with their continuation of the hostile environment approach, that’s for sure. It’s ridiculous that we’re harming businesses and other areas that rely on immigration (short or longer term), whilst simultaneously denying the Treasury of £billions extra tax income, just to placate xenophobes and racists. |
It knocks on to everything. I've seen some disgusting things said to my overseas colleagues over the past year or two.
One individual I went out to the other said to me the other day how glad he was to see 'an English person'.
They were advised that the next person I would be talking to would be their Asian consultant. If they'd prefer not to see them, I could cut my assessment of their deteriorating condition short now, if they liked. | |
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 19:14 - Mar 19 with 1486 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 16:23 - Mar 19 by leitrimblue |
Yer can understand where poor Nig is coming from. This foreign Middle Eastern religion is clearly destroying our native culture. Its time to put an end to this evil and return to our glorious British pagan past.
But that's enough about Christianity |
Well quite.
There is just a kernel of something in the idea that mass prayer type stuff is about dominance, or at least control. But its hardly unique to Islam. | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 19:33 - Mar 19 with 1431 views | Swansea_Blue |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 19:04 - Mar 19 by BlueBadger |
It knocks on to everything. I've seen some disgusting things said to my overseas colleagues over the past year or two.
One individual I went out to the other said to me the other day how glad he was to see 'an English person'.
They were advised that the next person I would be talking to would be their Asian consultant. If they'd prefer not to see them, I could cut my assessment of their deteriorating condition short now, if they liked. |
You should have special extra wide needles with blunt ends for c***s like that. That you don’t says a lot about the patience and tolerance.
We’re going back a bit now, but several ex-colleagues suffered abuse around the time of the Brexit referendum. That seemed to be the point at which the knuckle-draggers lost their inhibitions and the first time I heard colleagues getting grief. It wasn’t just overseas colleagues; a British born and bred woman of Indian ancestry I shared an office with came into work in bits one day because she got abused outside the polling station, of all places.
I don’t know how this genie gets stuffed back in the bottle. There’s no shame in either being racist or supporting racists any more. | |
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 19:48 - Mar 19 with 1376 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 16:14 - Mar 19 by giant_stow |
Its just blatant racism and yet another example of how we're regressing (coming from mainstream party) |
We live in a free country where people have every right to express their religious identity in public. Whether they be Muslim, Christian, Jew, Hindu or whatever religion people follow.
This is pure dog whistle. |  |
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 20:00 - Mar 19 with 1354 views | DarkBrandon |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 19:48 - Mar 19 by GlasgowBlue |
We live in a free country where people have every right to express their religious identity in public. Whether they be Muslim, Christian, Jew, Hindu or whatever religion people follow.
This is pure dog whistle. |
Yes. Although the metaphor breaks down when everyone can hear the whistle loud and clear. |  | | |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 20:05 - Mar 19 with 1326 views | JackNorthStand |
A phobia is an intense, persistent, and irrational fear of specific objects, activities, or situations that pose little actual danger.
This is not a phobia. It’s a strong will to not allow what has been posted to become normalised and instead, challenging it. [Post edited 19 Mar 20:06]
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 20:15 - Mar 19 with 1278 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 20:05 - Mar 19 by JackNorthStand |
A phobia is an intense, persistent, and irrational fear of specific objects, activities, or situations that pose little actual danger.
This is not a phobia. It’s a strong will to not allow what has been posted to become normalised and instead, challenging it. [Post edited 19 Mar 20:06]
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But the majority of anti Muslim sentiment in this country is a phobia. It's a fear of radical Islam. A fear that comes from decades of demonisation that "they" are here for nefarious purposes. They want to replace pur culture and numerous other tropes.
Radical Islam is a very small percentage of the Muslim community. The majority are the same as you and I. Trying to get by. Work hard. Raise their family to the best of their ability. Enjoy their lives.
But people like Farage would have everyone belive that the majority are a threat. That breeds the phobia. | |
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 20:25 - Mar 19 with 1258 views | Zx1988 |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 20:05 - Mar 19 by JackNorthStand |
A phobia is an intense, persistent, and irrational fear of specific objects, activities, or situations that pose little actual danger.
This is not a phobia. It’s a strong will to not allow what has been posted to become normalised and instead, challenging it. [Post edited 19 Mar 20:06]
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No, it's founded in hate. Pure and simple. | |
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 20:31 - Mar 19 with 1232 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 20:05 - Mar 19 by JackNorthStand |
A phobia is an intense, persistent, and irrational fear of specific objects, activities, or situations that pose little actual danger.
This is not a phobia. It’s a strong will to not allow what has been posted to become normalised and instead, challenging it. [Post edited 19 Mar 20:06]
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You really give yourself away with stuff like this.
The term islamophobia has a clear and widely understood meaning. Trying to nitpick the definition in order to minimise what it describes is painfully transparent. | |
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 20:52 - Mar 19 with 1170 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 20:05 - Mar 19 by JackNorthStand |
A phobia is an intense, persistent, and irrational fear of specific objects, activities, or situations that pose little actual danger.
This is not a phobia. It’s a strong will to not allow what has been posted to become normalised and instead, challenging it. [Post edited 19 Mar 20:06]
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You’ve just demonstrated that this hatred is a phobia:
- intense
- persistent
- irrational | |
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