| Islamophobia pure and simple 15:48 - Mar 19 with 4607 views | DJR |
Sadly it's normalised these days in the right wing media and has been for quite a few years.
But this has an impact on Muslims in this country, including those who rang into LBC this morning and my daughter's best friend, because it produces a climate of fear.
Timothy doubled down in article in today's Telegraph with very dubious reasoning.
"Some MPs and commentators say public concern [about prayer events like the one in Trafalgar Square] is misplaced. Some have even called it racist or – to use the recent invention – “Islamophobic”. They claim this exhibition of faith is no different from Trafalgar Square hosting dancing Sikhs, drinking football fans, or an Easter Passion Play.
But this is wrong. First, the adhan makes the theological claim that there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger. That is, by definition, a repudiation of other beliefs. When proclaimed publicly, it is not just private devotion made visible; it is a declaration of dominance.
Some claim the adhan is no different from the peal of church bells, or the recital of the Nicene Creed in church. But this is wrong on three counts. First, church bells simply ring out, and do not assert any theological message or criticism of other faiths. Second, the Nicene Creed is a personal statement of faith that begins, “I believe”.
And third, even if these facts were not true, Christianity holds a different place to other religions in Britain. It is the foundation of our way of life, expressed in laws and norms and our institutional, intellectual and cultural inheritance. Expressions of Christianity here do not seek to challenge or replace anything, because our society rests upon the Christian idea.
The adhan, however, explicitly rejects the Christian belief in Jesus and the Holy Trinity, and asserts the truth of the Islamic faith. Indeed, historically the adhan was not only a communal call to prayer, but a declaration of Islamic control over a territory."
In defending Timothy, the Tories appear to be all over the place.
"Q: [From Peter Walker from the Guardian] Yesterday you backed what Nick Timothy said about the Ramadan event in Trafalgar Square. What was your objection to it? Yesterday your party said it was a segregation matter. This morning the party chair, Kevin Hollinrake, said it was a general point about prayer in public. But in an article this morning Timothy said this was a specific point about Islam. What is the party’s position?
Badenoch says they are both right.
She says the Tories believe in freedom of religion.
But this debate which Nick is having is not about freedom of religion. It is about how religion is expressed in a shared public space, and whether those expressions fit within the norms of British culture." [Post edited 21 Mar 10:29]
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 20:54 - Mar 19 with 984 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 20:15 - Mar 19 by GlasgowBlue |
But the majority of anti Muslim sentiment in this country is a phobia. It's a fear of radical Islam. A fear that comes from decades of demonisation that "they" are here for nefarious purposes. They want to replace pur culture and numerous other tropes.
Radical Islam is a very small percentage of the Muslim community. The majority are the same as you and I. Trying to get by. Work hard. Raise their family to the best of their ability. Enjoy their lives.
But people like Farage would have everyone belive that the majority are a threat. That breeds the phobia. |
100% this ^ |  |
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 21:05 - Mar 19 with 958 views | DJR |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 20:05 - Mar 19 by JackNorthStand |
A phobia is an intense, persistent, and irrational fear of specific objects, activities, or situations that pose little actual danger.
This is not a phobia. It’s a strong will to not allow what has been posted to become normalised and instead, challenging it. [Post edited 19 Mar 20:06]
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The word Islamophobia is what is known as a neologism.
A neologism is any newly formed word, term, or phrase that has gained popular or institutional recognition and has been accepted into mainstream language.
In addition, it is a copycat neologism meaning that it copies expressions such as homophobia.
Neologisms are often formed by combining existing words as in this case, and their meaning will not necessarily reflect their constituent parts eg. the word "brunch".
The expression came into widespread use in the 1990s when it was defined by the Runnymede Trust.
And this is the Oxford English Dictionary definition which does not reflect your first paragraph.
"Intense dislike or fear of Islam, esp. as a political force; hostility or prejudice towards Muslims" [Post edited 19 Mar 21:12]
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 22:19 - Mar 19 with 892 views | JackNorthStand |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 20:52 - Mar 19 by Swansea_Blue |
You’ve just demonstrated that this hatred is a phobia:
- intense
- persistent
- irrational |
Irrational, is definitely not something that disagreeing and speaking out against this is. |  | | |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 22:33 - Mar 19 with 858 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 22:19 - Mar 19 by JackNorthStand |
Irrational, is definitely not something that disagreeing and speaking out against this is. |
Grubby little racist defends grubby little racist |  | | |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 22:36 - Mar 19 with 850 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 22:19 - Mar 19 by JackNorthStand |
Irrational, is definitely not something that disagreeing and speaking out against this is. |
Why?
Show your working.
Do we object when the CofE have a religious parade?
What is the difference?
Let me be clear, there are some very sound criticisms to be made of Islam. And most, if not all, other religious beliefs. But the outrage about this appears to be about who it is, rather than the act, which other religions have always done. | |
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 23:35 - Mar 19 with 801 views | BlueBadger |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 22:19 - Mar 19 by JackNorthStand |
Irrational, is definitely not something that disagreeing and speaking out against this is. |
What's wrong with praying in public? Trafalgar Square regularly sees people of all faiths praying in public. |  |
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 23:47 - Mar 19 with 779 views | Whos_blue |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 22:19 - Mar 19 by JackNorthStand |
Irrational, is definitely not something that disagreeing and speaking out against this is. |
How is it rational to be so incensed by people peacefully observing prayer that you'd feel the need to tweet about it, labelling it "an act of domination". [Post edited 19 Mar 23:48]
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 00:13 - Mar 20 with 760 views | eireblue |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 23:47 - Mar 19 by Whos_blue |
How is it rational to be so incensed by people peacefully observing prayer that you'd feel the need to tweet about it, labelling it "an act of domination". [Post edited 19 Mar 23:48]
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Only very weak willed people will feel dominated by people praying somewhere.
Who will think of the atheists, people of all denominations praying or chanting all over the place at them, how do they cope.
Just swapping between one of the Abrahamic religions is a bit meh in comparison. |  | | |
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 09:05 - Mar 20 with 635 views | DJR |
“It is me waking up and realizing that the country that my grandfathers fought for, the country that my child still in uniform, fights for and protects, is failing to protect me. That in this country, four generations on we don't matter, we don't belong."
https://forgepress.org/book-re
The latest book from Britain’s first Muslim Cabinet member, the Conservative Baroness Sayeeda Warsi, is a stark and sobering reminder of where we are as a nation. Muslims Don’t Matter presents a case that Warsi has seen for years, but is gaining evermore traction, with the rise of the Conservative Right and Reform UK. Detailing a variety of injustices, unbalanced experiences and lived realities that many Muslims have suffered for generations, Warsi puts forward a case that Muslims Don’t Matter, and considering the evidence she presents, it’s hard to argue with that assessment.
Whether discussing the case of Shamima Begum, employment inequality or Israel’s war on Gaza, Baroness Warsi is speaking her truth, and the truth of many in her community, that our country feels increasingly hostile, regardless of class or creed, depending only on religion, or perceived religion. Spurred by the racist riots of summer 2024, many points made have extreme recency, highlighting just how apparent this issue is, and the nature of the challenges being faced by millions of this country’s citizens.
Her words are also notable for the manner in which she articulates these incredibly powerful and difficult topics. The emotion and powerful sentiment in her words is clear to read, yet articulates all of her points with eloquence and, critically essential for many when trying to raise these topics, a wealth of evidence upon which to draw. Whilst those with closed ears and minds will likely still ignore this, for the rest of us, it is incomprehensible that the points raised by the Baroness are still regular occurrences Muslim communities have to contend with, making this book even more important now than can be imagined.
Make no mistake, this book is not a comfortable read. No one will finish this with a smile on their face or joy in their hearts. But this is integral to what this book stands for. In its relatively-short length, it brings the message home to roost that business cannot and must not continue as usual because entire communities are unjustly suffering. It is more important than ever, and having such a high-profile figure making this point will hopefully at least begin a conversation that is long overdue.
Muslims Don’t Matter is, sadly, an all too accurate title for Baroness Warsi’s latest book, because it rings startling true. In a country meant to be at its pinnacle of development, it is all too sobering to see it rolling backwards, in a long-term trend that appears to be accelerating, not reducing. This must be required reading. For policy makers, leaders and every person in this country. Because this issue is so deeply embedded in our culture, and needs to be ended, to ensure Muslims once again can feel as if they matter. | | | |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 09:10 - Mar 20 with 622 views | RamRob |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 19:48 - Mar 19 by GlasgowBlue |
We live in a free country where people have every right to express their religious identity in public. Whether they be Muslim, Christian, Jew, Hindu or whatever religion people follow.
This is pure dog whistle. |
Yes, and we can also criticise those practices.
And criticise those who criticise. |  |
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 09:10 - Mar 20 with 621 views | DJR |
https://www.theguardian.com/po
"Attorney general asks if Kemi Badenoch would object to Jewish public prayer
Exclusive: Richard Hermer, who is Jewish, says Tory leader and shadow minister seem ‘to only have an issue with Muslim events’" | | | |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 09:43 - Mar 20 with 587 views | JackNorthStand |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 00:13 - Mar 20 by eireblue |
Only very weak willed people will feel dominated by people praying somewhere.
Who will think of the atheists, people of all denominations praying or chanting all over the place at them, how do they cope.
Just swapping between one of the Abrahamic religions is a bit meh in comparison. |
Whether you agree or disagree, the fact is now that it is no longer a minority or a taboo to speak out on mass immigration and tolerance to cultural and demographic changes in the UK.
The British public no longer accept this quietly and main stream politicians are now realising it and are speaking out in the subject, too. [Post edited 20 Mar 9:43]
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 09:55 - Mar 20 with 555 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 09:43 - Mar 20 by JackNorthStand |
Whether you agree or disagree, the fact is now that it is no longer a minority or a taboo to speak out on mass immigration and tolerance to cultural and demographic changes in the UK.
The British public no longer accept this quietly and main stream politicians are now realising it and are speaking out in the subject, too. [Post edited 20 Mar 9:43]
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You appear to believe that you speak on behalf of the British public as a whole. I would suggest that it is a minority of the British public no longer accept "this" quietly. This is born out by recent polling figures which put support for Reform at over just one quarter of those eligible to vote. |  |
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 10:12 - Mar 20 with 527 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 09:43 - Mar 20 by JackNorthStand |
Whether you agree or disagree, the fact is now that it is no longer a minority or a taboo to speak out on mass immigration and tolerance to cultural and demographic changes in the UK.
The British public no longer accept this quietly and main stream politicians are now realising it and are speaking out in the subject, too. [Post edited 20 Mar 9:43]
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These are not mainstream politicians. They are far right racist grifters. Are you comfortable settling in alongside them? | |
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 10:36 - Mar 20 with 483 views | FBI |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 09:43 - Mar 20 by JackNorthStand |
Whether you agree or disagree, the fact is now that it is no longer a minority or a taboo to speak out on mass immigration and tolerance to cultural and demographic changes in the UK.
The British public no longer accept this quietly and main stream politicians are now realising it and are speaking out in the subject, too. [Post edited 20 Mar 9:43]
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Those of the British public who are nasty little racists no longer accept this quietly and opportunist grifters cosplaying as main stream politicians are now realising it and are speaking out in the subject, as always.
There. Corrected it for you. [Post edited 20 Mar 10:36]
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 10:50 - Mar 20 with 458 views | DJR |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 09:43 - Mar 20 by JackNorthStand |
Whether you agree or disagree, the fact is now that it is no longer a minority or a taboo to speak out on mass immigration and tolerance to cultural and demographic changes in the UK.
The British public no longer accept this quietly and main stream politicians are now realising it and are speaking out in the subject, too. [Post edited 20 Mar 9:43]
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But it's only Muslims that are targeted,, and that was the point of this thread.
The following doesn't break thing down by religion as the figures aren't kept but it suggests there are many more non-Muslims than non-Muslims arriving in recent years.
"The top five non-EU nationalities for long-term immigration flows into the UK in the YE December 2023 were Indian (250,000), Nigerian (141,000), Chinese (90,000), Pakistani (83,000) and Zimbabwean (36,000) (Table 1). Since 2019, the number of Indian, Nigerian and Pakistani nationals arriving in the UK has seen the largest increase. There were approximately 62,000 more Pakistani nationals, 127,000 more Nigerian nationals and 178,000 more Indian nationals immigrating to the UK in 2023 compared with 2019." [Post edited 20 Mar 10:51]
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 10:55 - Mar 20 with 445 views | eireblue |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 09:43 - Mar 20 by JackNorthStand |
Whether you agree or disagree, the fact is now that it is no longer a minority or a taboo to speak out on mass immigration and tolerance to cultural and demographic changes in the UK.
The British public no longer accept this quietly and main stream politicians are now realising it and are speaking out in the subject, too. [Post edited 20 Mar 9:43]
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Fact?
Evidence?
You can find examples of people discussing immigration from over a hundred years ago in the press.
There are articles in the press in the 1800s about immigrants carrying disease, stealing jobs, being criminals, and upsetting the culture.
It hasn’t been a taboo subject for about 200 years. | | | |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 11:56 - Mar 20 with 409 views | Libero |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 20:05 - Mar 19 by JackNorthStand |
A phobia is an intense, persistent, and irrational fear of specific objects, activities, or situations that pose little actual danger.
This is not a phobia. It’s a strong will to not allow what has been posted to become normalised and instead, challenging it. [Post edited 19 Mar 20:06]
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Just say you're racist, mate. |  | | |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 11:56 - Mar 20 with 407 views | eireblue |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 10:50 - Mar 20 by DJR |
But it's only Muslims that are targeted,, and that was the point of this thread.
The following doesn't break thing down by religion as the figures aren't kept but it suggests there are many more non-Muslims than non-Muslims arriving in recent years.
"The top five non-EU nationalities for long-term immigration flows into the UK in the YE December 2023 were Indian (250,000), Nigerian (141,000), Chinese (90,000), Pakistani (83,000) and Zimbabwean (36,000) (Table 1). Since 2019, the number of Indian, Nigerian and Pakistani nationals arriving in the UK has seen the largest increase. There were approximately 62,000 more Pakistani nationals, 127,000 more Nigerian nationals and 178,000 more Indian nationals immigrating to the UK in 2023 compared with 2019." [Post edited 20 Mar 10:51]
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Some people will really lose their sh1t, if they realise, only 3 minute walk away, a region of London has been taken over by immigrants. They have dominated that area so much, it is named after their homeland, they have their own temples, statues, culture.
What is even more worrying, I believe they have done the same thing in Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham and Newcastle…the country is lost. | | | |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 13:05 - Mar 20 with 346 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 10:50 - Mar 20 by DJR |
But it's only Muslims that are targeted,, and that was the point of this thread.
The following doesn't break thing down by religion as the figures aren't kept but it suggests there are many more non-Muslims than non-Muslims arriving in recent years.
"The top five non-EU nationalities for long-term immigration flows into the UK in the YE December 2023 were Indian (250,000), Nigerian (141,000), Chinese (90,000), Pakistani (83,000) and Zimbabwean (36,000) (Table 1). Since 2019, the number of Indian, Nigerian and Pakistani nationals arriving in the UK has seen the largest increase. There were approximately 62,000 more Pakistani nationals, 127,000 more Nigerian nationals and 178,000 more Indian nationals immigrating to the UK in 2023 compared with 2019." [Post edited 20 Mar 10:51]
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Badenoch couldn't or won't answer this.
Rightly called out by the Attorney General:
"Richard Hermer, the attorney general, has challenged Kemi Badenoch to say whether she would object to Jewish prayer in public, after the Conservative leader backed one of her shadow ministers who said an Islamic prayer event was intimidating and un-British."
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 13:28 - Mar 20 with 295 views | MattinLondon |
He has a bit of a nerve considering he’s so foreign he has an overseas country as his surname. |  | | |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 13:30 - Mar 20 with 292 views | eireblue |
Is that an English person, thinking it is bad if people from a foreign birthplace make decisions, for a different country……oh man this is going to be very awkward… [Post edited 20 Mar 13:46]
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 13:33 - Mar 20 with 277 views | GlasgowBlue |
Making lists of people deemed as 'others' has never ended well. | |
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| Islamophobia plain and simple on 13:42 - Mar 20 with 244 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Islamophobia plain and simple on 13:30 - Mar 20 by eireblue |
Is that an English person, thinking it is bad if people from a foreign birthplace make decisions, for a different country……oh man this is going to be very awkward… [Post edited 20 Mar 13:46]
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That is seriously sinister. | | | |
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