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Sadly it's normalised these days in the right wing media and has been for quite a few years.
But this has an impact on Muslims in this country, including those who rang into LBC this morning and my daughter's best friend, because it produces a climate of fear.
Timothy doubled down in article in today's Telegraph with very dubious reasoning.
"Some MPs and commentators say public concern [about prayer events like the one in Trafalgar Square] is misplaced. Some have even called it racist or – to use the recent invention – “Islamophobic”. They claim this exhibition of faith is no different from Trafalgar Square hosting dancing Sikhs, drinking football fans, or an Easter Passion Play.
But this is wrong. First, the adhan makes the theological claim that there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger. That is, by definition, a repudiation of other beliefs. When proclaimed publicly, it is not just private devotion made visible; it is a declaration of dominance.
Some claim the adhan is no different from the peal of church bells, or the recital of the Nicene Creed in church. But this is wrong on three counts. First, church bells simply ring out, and do not assert any theological message or criticism of other faiths. Second, the Nicene Creed is a personal statement of faith that begins, “I believe”.
And third, even if these facts were not true, Christianity holds a different place to other religions in Britain. It is the foundation of our way of life, expressed in laws and norms and our institutional, intellectual and cultural inheritance. Expressions of Christianity here do not seek to challenge or replace anything, because our society rests upon the Christian idea.
The adhan, however, explicitly rejects the Christian belief in Jesus and the Holy Trinity, and asserts the truth of the Islamic faith. Indeed, historically the adhan was not only a communal call to prayer, but a declaration of Islamic control over a territory."
In defending Timothy, the Tories appear to be all over the place.
"Q: [From Peter Walker from the Guardian] Yesterday you backed what Nick Timothy said about the Ramadan event in Trafalgar Square. What was your objection to it? Yesterday your party said it was a segregation matter. This morning the party chair, Kevin Hollinrake, said it was a general point about prayer in public. But in an article this morning Timothy said this was a specific point about Islam. What is the party’s position?
Badenoch says they are both right.
She says the Tories believe in freedom of religion.
But this debate which Nick is having is not about freedom of religion. It is about how religion is expressed in a shared public space, and whether those expressions fit within the norms of British culture."
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Islamophobia plain and simple on 13:49 - Mar 20 with 944 views
Islamophobia plain and simple on 13:30 - Mar 20 by eireblue
Is that an English person, thinking it is bad if people from a foreign birthplace make decisions, for a different country……oh man this is going to be very awkward…
[Post edited 20 Mar 13:46]
I think it was Laura Ingraham in the USA who said that no 2nd generation immigrants should be allowed to hold office.
People then pointed out that was exactly what Trump was...
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Islamophobia plain and simple on 14:06 - Mar 20 with 893 views
Islamophobia plain and simple on 13:12 - Mar 20 by The_Major
And inevitably
Within just 48 hours of the Tories refusing to sack Nick Timothy for his Islamophobic comments, the far-right is circulating a list of MPs “of foreign descent” trying to “silence” him. [1/2]
Islamophobia plain and simple on 13:12 - Mar 20 by The_Major
And inevitably
Within just 48 hours of the Tories refusing to sack Nick Timothy for his Islamophobic comments, the far-right is circulating a list of MPs “of foreign descent” trying to “silence” him. [1/2]
Islamophobia plain and simple on 14:10 - Mar 20 by leitrimblue
Sorry, but who is Connor Holland?
As a practicing Muslim I and probably every other Muslim see the adhan as a call to prayer. It's telling us it's time to pray. It's an alarm clock for want of a better word.
The right wing will make anything out of any Muslim related news item because it garners support from the far right and those leaning that way.
I've prayed in public congregation before and it's in a way akin to being at Portman Rd. It's about coming together as one to express your beliefs and identify. The press who make it sound like it's subversive are just utter hate breeding scum.
So this morning, as it's Eid today, I prayed at the mosque and also asked Allah for three points tomorrow and a good performance. I didn't ask for world domination nor to claim the country. This is lost on many people that I and others are mere human beings who aren't vastly dissimilar to everybody else.
So up yours to the right wing press. I'm a proud Muslim Tractor Boy and if you don't like it go support that lot from up the road. COYB
you are my ipswich !!
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Islamophobia plain and simple on 14:54 - Mar 20 with 779 views
Islamophobia plain and simple on 09:55 - Mar 20 by GlasgowBlue
You appear to believe that you speak on behalf of the British public as a whole. I would suggest that it is a minority of the British public no longer accept "this" quietly. This is born out by recent polling figures which put support for Reform at over just one quarter of those eligible to vote.
The rise of reform, the new Tory stance and the new restore Britain party would say otherwise. I am not sure of your source, I believe reform to be more popular than you claim however for the sake of the conversation I will go with it. For a party that didn’t exist two years ago to now have a quarter of the vote is astonishing.
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Islamophobia plain and simple on 15:03 - Mar 20 with 744 views
Islamophobia plain and simple on 14:54 - Mar 20 by JackNorthStand
The rise of reform, the new Tory stance and the new restore Britain party would say otherwise. I am not sure of your source, I believe reform to be more popular than you claim however for the sake of the conversation I will go with it. For a party that didn’t exist two years ago to now have a quarter of the vote is astonishing.
Small changes to this week’s voting intention. Reform & Labour down slightly, Tories & Greens up. Reform lead Tories by 7
➡️ REF UK 28% (-2)
🌳 CON 21% (+2)
🌹 LAB 20% (-2)
🌍 GREEN 13% (+2)
🔶 LIB DEM 12% (-1)
❓OTH 4% (+1)
🟡 SNP 2% (nc)
N = 2,402 | 13-16/3| Change w 9/03
Islamophobia plain and simple on 14:54 - Mar 20 by JackNorthStand
The rise of reform, the new Tory stance and the new restore Britain party would say otherwise. I am not sure of your source, I believe reform to be more popular than you claim however for the sake of the conversation I will go with it. For a party that didn’t exist two years ago to now have a quarter of the vote is astonishing.
I agree it's astonishing.
It's astonishing the number of people who will turn a blind eye to corruption, racism and incompetence under the promise of removing the immigrant boogeyperson.
SB
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Islamophobia plain and simple on 15:13 - Mar 20 with 701 views
Islamophobia plain and simple on 14:54 - Mar 20 by JackNorthStand
The rise of reform, the new Tory stance and the new restore Britain party would say otherwise. I am not sure of your source, I believe reform to be more popular than you claim however for the sake of the conversation I will go with it. For a party that didn’t exist two years ago to now have a quarter of the vote is astonishing.
New in name only, it's merely the latest Farage vehicle- a man who has been trying to get into elected office since the early 90s.
Sarah Pochin, when the cameras aren’t rolling we can do all the naughty stuff! This is what Reform represents, racist, fascist bigots that really just want to shout that from the roof tops!
Don’t bother with a fake tartan burka Sarah, it will hide your true colours!
Fucking imbecile!
Islamophobia plain and simple on 09:43 - Mar 20 by JackNorthStand
Whether you agree or disagree, the fact is now that it is no longer a minority or a taboo to speak out on mass immigration and tolerance to cultural and demographic changes in the UK.
The British public no longer accept this quietly and main stream politicians are now realising it and are speaking out in the subject, too.
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When was immigration ever a taboo subject? It's been a constant area of political debate ever since I remember. This is an election poster from 2005:
What is odd is the regular claims that debate on immigration has been supressed or has only started recently.
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Islamophobia plain and simple on 15:35 - Mar 20 with 623 views
Islamophobia plain and simple on 20:31 - Mar 19 by redrickstuhaart
You really give yourself away with stuff like this.
The term islamophobia has a clear and widely understood meaning. Trying to nitpick the definition in order to minimise what it describes is painfully transparent.
Your post is utterly incorrect. There has been a debate going on in politics, and wider in society, for years trying to descibe if 'Islamaphobia' actually exists and if it does what is the definition.
It clearly does not have a clear and widely understood definition.
What you actually mean is that the people who agree with you all define it in the same way.
Try looking at an issue through many lenses, instead of just your own.
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Islamophobia plain and simple on 15:38 - Mar 20 with 619 views
Islamophobia plain and simple on 15:35 - Mar 20 by HotShotHamish
Your post is utterly incorrect. There has been a debate going on in politics, and wider in society, for years trying to descibe if 'Islamaphobia' actually exists and if it does what is the definition.
It clearly does not have a clear and widely understood definition.
What you actually mean is that the people who agree with you all define it in the same way.
Try looking at an issue through many lenses, instead of just your own.
Your posting history is a collection a right wing rants, what other lenses are you using?
Trying to muddy the waters about whether islamaphobia even exists is low even for you.
SB
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Islamophobia plain and simple on 15:48 - Mar 20 with 593 views
Islamophobia plain and simple on 15:35 - Mar 20 by HotShotHamish
Your post is utterly incorrect. There has been a debate going on in politics, and wider in society, for years trying to descibe if 'Islamaphobia' actually exists and if it does what is the definition.
It clearly does not have a clear and widely understood definition.
What you actually mean is that the people who agree with you all define it in the same way.
Try looking at an issue through many lenses, instead of just your own.
Have you tried the lens of being a Muslim, being attacked, for being a Muslim.
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Islamophobia plain and simple on 16:11 - Mar 20 with 547 views
Islamophobia plain and simple on 23:47 - Mar 19 by Whos_blue
How is it rational to be so incensed by people peacefully observing prayer that you'd feel the need to tweet about it, labelling it "an act of domination".
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On my way to do the shopping a couple of Friday evenings back, with the rain falling, I noticed a chap who'd stopped cycling, had laid down his coat on a grassed area, and was evidently an observant Muslim saying his prayers for that particular time of day.
I struggle to see how anyone can be offended, intimidated, and incensed by what is such a peaceful and, in my eyes at least, beautiful act of religion.
Islamophobia plain and simple on 16:11 - Mar 20 by Zx1988
On my way to do the shopping a couple of Friday evenings back, with the rain falling, I noticed a chap who'd stopped cycling, had laid down his coat on a grassed area, and was evidently an observant Muslim saying his prayers for that particular time of day.
I struggle to see how anyone can be offended, intimidated, and incensed by what is such a peaceful and, in my eyes at least, beautiful act of religion.
The thing is, you just know there were people furiously posting comments about how this event in Trafalgar Square was going to cause them inconvenience whilst they were, say, walking across the Tyne Bridge, 300 miles away.
In 2013, Channel 4 broadcast the morning call to prayer during Ramadan. The other times were on their website, and it only took a couple of minutes, but people LOST THEIR SH*T.
The stupidity of it all was that as I assume it was based on Mecca time, the morning call to prayer, the only one that was conventionally broadcast was at 3am. So, on the off chance you were up at that time, your TV was stuck on. Channel 4, and you couldn't wait a time span less than of an average ad break before a signed repeat of Come Dine With Me was shown, then you clearly have issues.
And yes, there was the usual blubbing from the usual suspects about how there's nothing for Christian worship on TV or radio,
Apart from the small matter of the daily church service on Radio 4, the Christian speakers who do Thought For The Day on Radio 2, and Songs of Praise being shown for about 60 years. I don't deny it used to be more - ITV had a weekly church service on a Sunday, and let's not forget Harry Secombe doing his Highway bit - but the reduction in coverage reflects the decline in church attendance.
Not that these wazzocks ever listened or watched any of it.
Look, here's Harry hanging out in the then brand spanking new Tower Ramparts centre nearly 40 years ago as proof!
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Islamophobia plain and simple on 16:49 - Mar 20 with 484 views
Islamophobia plain and simple on 15:35 - Mar 20 by HotShotHamish
Your post is utterly incorrect. There has been a debate going on in politics, and wider in society, for years trying to descibe if 'Islamaphobia' actually exists and if it does what is the definition.
It clearly does not have a clear and widely understood definition.
What you actually mean is that the people who agree with you all define it in the same way.
Try looking at an issue through many lenses, instead of just your own.
You mean people who have a hatred or fear of Muslims are trying to deny that hatred or fear of Muslims exists.
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Islamophobia plain and simple on 16:53 - Mar 20 with 467 views
Islamophobia plain and simple on 13:12 - Mar 20 by The_Major
And inevitably
Within just 48 hours of the Tories refusing to sack Nick Timothy for his Islamophobic comments, the far-right is circulating a list of MPs “of foreign descent” trying to “silence” him. [1/2]
Islamophobia plain and simple on 14:54 - Mar 20 by JackNorthStand
The rise of reform, the new Tory stance and the new restore Britain party would say otherwise. I am not sure of your source, I believe reform to be more popular than you claim however for the sake of the conversation I will go with it. For a party that didn’t exist two years ago to now have a quarter of the vote is astonishing.
Hitler rose quite quickly
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Islamophobia plain and simple on 16:56 - Mar 20 with 459 views
Islamophobia plain and simple on 14:32 - Mar 20 by bradforblues
As a practicing Muslim I and probably every other Muslim see the adhan as a call to prayer. It's telling us it's time to pray. It's an alarm clock for want of a better word.
The right wing will make anything out of any Muslim related news item because it garners support from the far right and those leaning that way.
I've prayed in public congregation before and it's in a way akin to being at Portman Rd. It's about coming together as one to express your beliefs and identify. The press who make it sound like it's subversive are just utter hate breeding scum.
So this morning, as it's Eid today, I prayed at the mosque and also asked Allah for three points tomorrow and a good performance. I didn't ask for world domination nor to claim the country. This is lost on many people that I and others are mere human beings who aren't vastly dissimilar to everybody else.
So up yours to the right wing press. I'm a proud Muslim Tractor Boy and if you don't like it go support that lot from up the road. COYB
Well said.
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Islamophobia plain and simple on 17:17 - Mar 20 with 406 views
Islamophobia plain and simple on 16:45 - Mar 20 by The_Major
The thing is, you just know there were people furiously posting comments about how this event in Trafalgar Square was going to cause them inconvenience whilst they were, say, walking across the Tyne Bridge, 300 miles away.
In 2013, Channel 4 broadcast the morning call to prayer during Ramadan. The other times were on their website, and it only took a couple of minutes, but people LOST THEIR SH*T.
The stupidity of it all was that as I assume it was based on Mecca time, the morning call to prayer, the only one that was conventionally broadcast was at 3am. So, on the off chance you were up at that time, your TV was stuck on. Channel 4, and you couldn't wait a time span less than of an average ad break before a signed repeat of Come Dine With Me was shown, then you clearly have issues.
And yes, there was the usual blubbing from the usual suspects about how there's nothing for Christian worship on TV or radio,
Apart from the small matter of the daily church service on Radio 4, the Christian speakers who do Thought For The Day on Radio 2, and Songs of Praise being shown for about 60 years. I don't deny it used to be more - ITV had a weekly church service on a Sunday, and let's not forget Harry Secombe doing his Highway bit - but the reduction in coverage reflects the decline in church attendance.
Not that these wazzocks ever listened or watched any of it.
Look, here's Harry hanging out in the then brand spanking new Tower Ramparts centre nearly 40 years ago as proof!
What a fantastic video - thanks for sharing that!
I have faint memories of the original style of Tower Ramparts from my youth - all of the brass, mirrors, and neon - and that opening sequence captures it perfectly.
Islamophobia plain and simple on 16:23 - Mar 19 by leitrimblue
Yer can understand where poor Nig is coming from. This foreign Middle Eastern religion is clearly destroying our native culture. Its time to put an end to this evil and return to our glorious British pagan past.
But that's enough about Christianity
Ireland had a perfectly functioning pagan society until St. Patrick came and dominated us with his three divine person's in the one God hocus pocus. We had a perfectly good female goddess who suddenly morphed into a saint ( although that worked out well with a second Bank Holiday ). A huge amount of appropriation by the chatolic church culminating in this type of thing.
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Islamophobia plain and simple on 17:23 - Mar 20 with 369 views
Islamophobia plain and simple on 17:17 - Mar 20 by Zx1988
What a fantastic video - thanks for sharing that!
I have faint memories of the original style of Tower Ramparts from my youth - all of the brass, mirrors, and neon - and that opening sequence captures it perfectly.
I want to jump through the screen and cling to a lamppost screaming don't make me go back.
"I am a genuine believer in free speech, in the real sense, not the left wing sense, the 'I think free speech is important for people I agree with' Guardian readers" - Jonathan Pie ///// "These middle class, perma-offended, virtue-signalling woke w@nkers have declared that the great unwashed are just one tasteless joke away from turning into fascists" - Jonathan Pie ///// "In a sense, the political left’s attempts to silence ideas they cannot, or will not, debate are a confession of intellectual bankruptcy" - Thomas Sowell
Islamophobia plain and simple on 17:03 - Mar 20 by JackNorthStand
That’s not true
Oh have a word with yourself.
The Great Depression of 1929 caused a lot of financial hardship for the German population which Hitler took advantage of. They went (Nazi Party) went from being a fringe party to winning 37.3% of the vote, making them the largest party in 1932 and effectively becoming a dictator in 1933.
All the above in four years - that’s very quick.
And he did it by making Jews and foreigners the scapegoats - sound familiar? By having influential wealthy backers - sound familiar? Seeing ordinary commentators make excuses for them -sound familiar? Making ordinary people make excuses for their own behaviour and making antisemitism normalised - sound familiar?
Add in Muslims to the Jewish population and the historical parallels are quite striking to hate-preachers Farage rise
Edit - apologies to Guthram and the other historians on here for massively oversimplifying the above.
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