| If Philogene is ready, start him 23:25 - Mar 19 with 2189 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
How many times have we seen him slot it into the net at the Churchman’s end to change/win games. It’s go time in the season and probably our biggest game so far, if he’s got 65 minutes in him we should play him and bring Clarke on later.
If he’s not match fit he shouldn’t really be on the bench anyway, with Davis and Nunez out we might need something a bit special and the earlier the better! |  |
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| If Philogene is ready, start him on 00:00 - Mar 20 with 2115 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Did he not get another knock at the end of the game vs Wednesday. ?
Be interesting to hear what KM says tomorrow. |  |
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| If Philogene is ready, start him on 00:08 - Mar 20 with 2098 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| If Philogene is ready, start him on 00:00 - Mar 20 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Did he not get another knock at the end of the game vs Wednesday. ?
Be interesting to hear what KM says tomorrow. |
Not sure, KM won’t be saying much in that. I remember the ball falling to mehmeti against Leicester in a lovely position and he curled it harmlessly into the keepers hands and thinking at the time that’s likely 1-0 if it’s Jaden. I’d want him on from the start. It’s an international break as well, if he’s ready to go I don’t need him eased back in. Let’s also remember how many minutes Clarke had played and hasn’t had the best recent first half’s.
This ain’t a game for overthinking or being over cautious. Get your difference maker out there. [Post edited 20 Mar 0:09]
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| If Philogene is ready, start him on 06:28 - Mar 20 with 1880 views | Blue_Heath |
100% play the best team, it's a game where we can put a big dent in a rival's 2nd place hopes. Not only that would be a good boost going into the break, plus he'll have a few weeks rest.
A Jaiden again moment early doors is what we need. |  |
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| If Philogene is ready, start him on 07:26 - Mar 20 with 1729 views | Nutkins_Return |
| If Philogene is ready, start him on 00:08 - Mar 20 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Not sure, KM won’t be saying much in that. I remember the ball falling to mehmeti against Leicester in a lovely position and he curled it harmlessly into the keepers hands and thinking at the time that’s likely 1-0 if it’s Jaden. I’d want him on from the start. It’s an international break as well, if he’s ready to go I don’t need him eased back in. Let’s also remember how many minutes Clarke had played and hasn’t had the best recent first half’s.
This ain’t a game for overthinking or being over cautious. Get your difference maker out there. [Post edited 20 Mar 0:09]
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It's not about over thinking or a simple as play your best team. There is no chance Philogene is 100% match ready. He's got to build up again. I would agree a fully fit Philogene starts but he's not so I would be amazed.
Clarke is fully fit and on that basis likely the more effective option. I'd be very surprised if Jaden is deemed ready to start.
Our finishing subs are really important so either way he'll be able to impact if he's good for the bench. [Post edited 21 Mar 11:26]
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| If Philogene is ready, start him on 08:15 - Mar 20 with 1590 views | waveneyblue |
| If Philogene is ready, start him on 07:26 - Mar 20 by Nutkins_Return |
It's not about over thinking or a simple as play your best team. There is no chance Philogene is 100% match ready. He's got to build up again. I would agree a fully fit Philogene starts but he's not so I would be amazed.
Clarke is fully fit and on that basis likely the more effective option. I'd be very surprised if Jaden is deemed ready to start.
Our finishing subs are really important so either way he'll be able to impact if he's good for the bench. [Post edited 21 Mar 11:26]
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Come on, its not time for sensible thought and looking at the bigger picture.
Get him on the pitch from the start, whilst not fully match fit, then he gets injured, misses the end of the season and we can blame McKenna, Ashton and the medical team.
Thats how it works this season, isnt it ? |  | | |
| If Philogene is ready, start him on 08:34 - Mar 20 with 1536 views | bsw72 |
You get match fit by giving a player limited competitive exposure but at a managed intensity, then you extend minutes and subsequently start. The reason that is usually off the bench is because a manager can gauge the match intensity and know when best to put a player on.
Get him to come off the bench tomorrow against a tiring Millwall side, knowing we have a two week break to further build up his general fitness - starting him tomorrow to build his match fitness is pointless with a two week break from matches coming up. |  | | |
| If Philogene is ready, start him on 08:35 - Mar 20 with 1530 views | Wallingford_Boy |
I would imagine he'll start, Clarke could do with a rest too, so swap them over with 25 to go. |  |
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| If Philogene is ready, start him on 09:34 - Mar 20 with 1410 views | BseaBlue |
| If Philogene is ready, start him on 08:15 - Mar 20 by waveneyblue |
Come on, its not time for sensible thought and looking at the bigger picture.
Get him on the pitch from the start, whilst not fully match fit, then he gets injured, misses the end of the season and we can blame McKenna, Ashton and the medical team.
Thats how it works this season, isnt it ? |
Add in that worst case scenario is that we may have up to three incredibly important additional games to prepare for and the risk doesn't seem as worth it does it?
Don't get me wrong, he could make a huge difference tomorrow but our squad management has been effective all season so I don't see us taking chances now. |  | | |
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| If Philogene is ready, start him on 09:56 - Mar 20 with 1357 views | _CliveBaker_ |
Too right. Best forward in the division IMO. |  | | |
| Hmmmm I’d still give Clarke 60 tire them out on 10:09 - Mar 20 with 1299 views | unstableblue |
Then Jaden time
You then have a long break to get Jaden fully up to full fitness
Then he’s the starter again |  |
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| If Philogene is ready, start him on 11:49 - Mar 20 with 1142 views | LankHenners |
| If Philogene is ready, start him on 07:26 - Mar 20 by Nutkins_Return |
It's not about over thinking or a simple as play your best team. There is no chance Philogene is 100% match ready. He's got to build up again. I would agree a fully fit Philogene starts but he's not so I would be amazed.
Clarke is fully fit and on that basis likely the more effective option. I'd be very surprised if Jaden is deemed ready to start.
Our finishing subs are really important so either way he'll be able to impact if he's good for the bench. [Post edited 21 Mar 11:26]
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Nah there are 9 games left - we're properly in 'play your best players as often as possible' territory now.
We all know what the game will look like tomorrow - having someone who is capable of smacking one in the top corner from 20+ yards out of nowhere on the pitch for as long as possible could be vital. |  |
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| If Philogene is ready, start him on 12:00 - Mar 20 with 1086 views | BouncebackIpswich |
Not sure tbh. Throwing him in not 100% fit against a physical and aggressive Millwall side and him then being ruled out for the rest of the season with injury would be a much worse outcome than dropping points this game but then with a fully fit Jaden coming back in after the international break
Impact sub for me |  |
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| If Philogene is ready, start him on 12:13 - Mar 20 with 1037 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| If Philogene is ready, start him on 12:00 - Mar 20 by BouncebackIpswich |
Not sure tbh. Throwing him in not 100% fit against a physical and aggressive Millwall side and him then being ruled out for the rest of the season with injury would be a much worse outcome than dropping points this game but then with a fully fit Jaden coming back in after the international break
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He’s not going 90 anyway so we are arguing about the difference of 30 minutes, our next game is April 6th.
I didn’t know you could only get injured in the first 65 not the last 25.
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| If Philogene is ready, start him on 12:20 - Mar 20 with 1000 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| If Philogene is ready, start him on 08:15 - Mar 20 by waveneyblue |
Come on, its not time for sensible thought and looking at the bigger picture.
Get him on the pitch from the start, whilst not fully match fit, then he gets injured, misses the end of the season and we can blame McKenna, Ashton and the medical team.
Thats how it works this season, isnt it ? |
If he’s not fit and likely to get injured again by seeing game time, why would he be on the bench? | |
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| If Philogene is ready, start him on 12:23 - Mar 20 with 964 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| If Philogene is ready, start him on 12:13 - Mar 20 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
He’s not going 90 anyway so we are arguing about the difference of 30 minutes, our next game is April 6th.
I didn’t know you could only get injured in the first 65 not the last 25.
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Odds on getting injured increase the longer you play, especially when coming back from injury your body fatigues more and more prone to injury there's a reason why managers ease players back in. | |
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| If Philogene is ready, start him on 12:27 - Mar 20 with 935 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| If Philogene is ready, start him on 12:23 - Mar 20 by BouncebackIpswich |
Odds on getting injured increase the longer you play, especially when coming back from injury your body fatigues more and more prone to injury there's a reason why managers ease players back in. |
Save him for April then if there’s so much risk of an extra 25-30 minutes.
He’s been more effective in first half’s with a bit of space than the teams are really sitting in late. Clarke is more of a ball carrier and quite suited to impact sub role at home. | |
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| If Philogene is ready, start him on 12:40 - Mar 20 with 874 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| If Philogene is ready, start him on 08:34 - Mar 20 by bsw72 |
You get match fit by giving a player limited competitive exposure but at a managed intensity, then you extend minutes and subsequently start. The reason that is usually off the bench is because a manager can gauge the match intensity and know when best to put a player on.
Get him to come off the bench tomorrow against a tiring Millwall side, knowing we have a two week break to further build up his general fitness - starting him tomorrow to build his match fitness is pointless with a two week break from matches coming up. |
How is it “pointless” if he puts one in the top corner in the first 15 minutes lol.
There are arguments for either strategy but it can’t be seen as pointless. If he’s fit enough to come on then the 2 week break thing tend to suggest the playing 65 instead of 25 might be worth it.
Millwall don’t score or concede many and it’s a huge game. How important have first goals been for Ipswich this season?
How many goals as Jaden scored in first half at home compared to second half’s? By memory it’s only Sheffield United he may have scored north stand end.
I remember McKenna starting Burns and Hirst at Hull out of nowhere late in a season btw. [Post edited 20 Mar 12:44]
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| If Philogene is ready, start him on 17:15 - Mar 20 with 677 views | stonojnr |
| If Philogene is ready, start him on 11:49 - Mar 20 by LankHenners |
Nah there are 9 games left - we're properly in 'play your best players as often as possible' territory now.
We all know what the game will look like tomorrow - having someone who is capable of smacking one in the top corner from 20+ yards out of nowhere on the pitch for as long as possible could be vital. |
Potentially 12 games left #justsaying...but there's an international break and 2 weeks before the next game. Its probably worth the risk same with Nunez, but maybe dont start both | | | |
| If Philogene is ready, start him on 17:40 - Mar 20 with 634 views | JammyDodgerrr |
I don't think we should be starting him if there's any kind of risk that a sped up version of getting back to match fitness increases the chance of a relapse. I'd start with Clarke, personally. |  |
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| If Philogene is ready, start him on 19:10 - Mar 20 with 552 views | JeremiahBrown |
Philogene, along with some others has been sick this week, so that may hold him back a bit. | | | |
| If Philogene is ready, start him on 11:29 - Mar 21 with 316 views | Nutkins_Return |
| If Philogene is ready, start him on 12:13 - Mar 20 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
He’s not going 90 anyway so we are arguing about the difference of 30 minutes, our next game is April 6th.
I didn’t know you could only get injured in the first 65 not the last 25.
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We're not arguing that. Starting a game against fully fit opponents is completely different to playing the last 30 against tiring opponents when you are coming back from injury.
We are talking about Jaden not match fit at all not being a better option then Clarke. All this "play your best team" stuff has to factor in that 70% Jaden is not better than 100% Clarke straight away. | |
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| If Philogene is ready, start him on 12:23 - Mar 21 with 260 views | SamWhiteUK |
If I was Jack Clarke and a semi-fit winger started over me as I had just cemented myself on that left wing and was the team's top scorer, I'd be mighty pissed off |  | | |
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