| Toleration 09:27 - Mar 28 with 2442 views | Prominent_Blue |
The one thing that is lacking on this now cesspit of a board. There's loads of things I disagree with in football such as taking the knee, rainbow laces, politicians scoring points. Because none of them have anything to do with football. But do I have a melt down and throw my toys out of the pram like the Far Woke mob ? No because I practice toleration like the majority of our fan base. So many people need to look in the mirror on here. |  | | |  |
| Toleration on 10:21 - Mar 28 with 812 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Toleration on 09:37 - Mar 28 by positivity |
so your "toleration" exhibits itself in the form of extreme intolerance? ooooookay! |
It’s always the same with the grifting populists and those who support them. They love a bit of projection. Like always complaining about free speech and then slapping law suits on journalists, defunding academics who publish anything contrary to the group think, etc. It’s so bloody transparent, yet people still fall for it. It’s mind boggling. |  |
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| Toleration on 10:26 - Mar 28 with 789 views | lowhouseblue |
| Toleration on 09:28 - Mar 28 by Dubtractor |
Yeah, that post sounds amazingly tolerant to me mate, well done. |
the old tolerating intolerance conundrum. excellent fare for a saturday morning. i'm off out. |  |
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| Toleration on 10:32 - Mar 28 with 775 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
I see "far woke" is the latest braindead nonsense the morons have been instructed to regurgitate. | | | |
| Toleration on 10:42 - Mar 28 with 748 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
Reading this and your posting history I think you’d better look up the definition of toleration |  |
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| Toleration on 10:45 - Mar 28 with 726 views | Herbivore |
| Toleration on 10:42 - Mar 28 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
Reading this and your posting history I think you’d better look up the definition of toleration |
Yeah, virtually every post from them is having a pop at an individual or group. Not much tolerance on display. |  |
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| Toleration on 10:46 - Mar 28 with 724 views | TheMoralMajority |
Oh goody! Another culture wars thread. That's what we need. |  |
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| Toleration on 10:46 - Mar 28 with 724 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Toleration on 10:02 - Mar 28 by Prominent_Blue |
Football should not be the vehicle for supporting causes. Political Party promotion falls into that too. |
The club supports good causes and charities, helping those "far woke" people of which you are so disdainful, should that be stopped as well then? |  |
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| Toleration on 11:55 - Mar 28 with 652 views | mistert |
None of this is about being woke and plenty of people have 'thrown their toys out of the pram' over taking the knee etc. even if you haven't. Any politician using the club to promote themselves would inevitably provoke a reaction and that is the point. |  | | |
| Toleration on 11:59 - Mar 28 with 635 views | Dubtractor |
| Toleration on 10:26 - Mar 28 by lowhouseblue |
the old tolerating intolerance conundrum. excellent fare for a saturday morning. i'm off out. |
Probably not a bad idea to go out, you've been having a shocker on here all week. Enjoy the sunshine. |  |
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| Toleration on 00:35 - Mar 29 with 507 views | armchaircritic59 |
I try and practice tolerance ( I belong to a " minority " group ). The thing with tolerance is, that means by definition you have to tolerate the intolerant. Mind you tolerating and agreeing with are very different matters. Such as a certain " incident " involving a former captain last season. I didn't agree with it, but I respected his reasons for doing it. I guess you can't claim to be tolerant, and show intolerance yourself! | | | |
| Toleration on 00:47 - Mar 29 with 476 views | urbanpenguin |
| Toleration on 00:35 - Mar 29 by armchaircritic59 |
I try and practice tolerance ( I belong to a " minority " group ). The thing with tolerance is, that means by definition you have to tolerate the intolerant. Mind you tolerating and agreeing with are very different matters. Such as a certain " incident " involving a former captain last season. I didn't agree with it, but I respected his reasons for doing it. I guess you can't claim to be tolerant, and show intolerance yourself! |
No you don't. To be tolerant does not mean you have to equally listen to or tolerate all viewpoints and people. In fact Popper did a whole book on this after the Second World War. You do not need to be tolerant of existential threats or people who are out so destroy tolerance.
"But we should claim the right to suppress them [intolerant ideologies] if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols." |  | | |
| Toleration on 13:16 - Mar 29 with 331 views | darkhorse28 |
It sounds like your toleration isn’t working today, it’s the blue pill buddy.
Agree party politicking the issue ist great, and agree both sides are as bad at doing that.
You’ve missed the point about the seriousness though, and you’ve missed the point because you agree with the politics. And that’s an issue.
Why can’t YOU see past your politics?? Commercially this will cost tens or hundreds of millions, and you know football, it’s 2026 the implications financially could kill our future OUR club!
So serious question, why don’t you care???
We replaced those hairs about it being a football club with Ashton FC and one man’s values and opinions, whatever those values are or are not, doesn’t matter, it’s a disaster!!!
You can’t reduce your addressable market so much, and be a success, it’s not possible, existing stakeholders, future stakeholders, why do they they want 30% of a market when everywhere else they can have 100%????? WHY
One small example, obviously March day revenues will be affected now, they have to be, we are divided, some see the club as toxic, and that’s just our own support!
TV - you know how much we make for it? You know how many games we’ll have now after this season? - yeah away fans sing far right baiting songs…, our match sponsors don’t want that smoke, why would they??? Not a political point, a commercial one!!!
That alone could be £10 million alone just in the EFL.
£50 million plus is the cost. Plus sponsors, players, coaches, managers, everyone with brand equity off the pitch (a self selected group of exclusively ALL the talent) also will be VERY reluctant to reduce their value away from the pitch.
So - hundreds of millions and less talent over the club.
Was it worth it?? Worth putting party politics at the centre of our club, any party?????
This could end us. This could be a slow commercial decline through the leagues…, it’s our Ratner moment, we are a brand like it or not, and we had to be impartial and commercially available to the whole market.
We’ve lost that now. It’s done. You defending it, STILL playing the party politics .., for no upside at all.
Destroying our club for no benefit or upside. I’ll ask again.
Worth it?? To value Mark and his career more than our club.., again.., worth it? | | | |
| Toleration on 14:48 - Mar 29 with 280 views | TheBlueGnu |
| Toleration on 13:16 - Mar 29 by darkhorse28 |
It sounds like your toleration isn’t working today, it’s the blue pill buddy.
Agree party politicking the issue ist great, and agree both sides are as bad at doing that.
You’ve missed the point about the seriousness though, and you’ve missed the point because you agree with the politics. And that’s an issue.
Why can’t YOU see past your politics?? Commercially this will cost tens or hundreds of millions, and you know football, it’s 2026 the implications financially could kill our future OUR club!
So serious question, why don’t you care???
We replaced those hairs about it being a football club with Ashton FC and one man’s values and opinions, whatever those values are or are not, doesn’t matter, it’s a disaster!!!
You can’t reduce your addressable market so much, and be a success, it’s not possible, existing stakeholders, future stakeholders, why do they they want 30% of a market when everywhere else they can have 100%????? WHY
One small example, obviously March day revenues will be affected now, they have to be, we are divided, some see the club as toxic, and that’s just our own support!
TV - you know how much we make for it? You know how many games we’ll have now after this season? - yeah away fans sing far right baiting songs…, our match sponsors don’t want that smoke, why would they??? Not a political point, a commercial one!!!
That alone could be £10 million alone just in the EFL.
£50 million plus is the cost. Plus sponsors, players, coaches, managers, everyone with brand equity off the pitch (a self selected group of exclusively ALL the talent) also will be VERY reluctant to reduce their value away from the pitch.
So - hundreds of millions and less talent over the club.
Was it worth it?? Worth putting party politics at the centre of our club, any party?????
This could end us. This could be a slow commercial decline through the leagues…, it’s our Ratner moment, we are a brand like it or not, and we had to be impartial and commercially available to the whole market.
We’ve lost that now. It’s done. You defending it, STILL playing the party politics .., for no upside at all.
Destroying our club for no benefit or upside. I’ll ask again.
Worth it?? To value Mark and his career more than our club.., again.., worth it? |
I take a blue pill - for a "down below" problem ! | |
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| Toleration on 14:53 - Mar 29 with 267 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Do you agree with the freedom of Morsy to choose whether to wear the rainbow armband, or other players to wear rainbow laces? Do you agree with the right for James McLean to choose not to wear a poppy?
I think the vast majority of people who are outraged with what Ashton has done in making the club an advert for Reform would agree with those things. There are a few who don't and think Morsy should have been stripped of the captaincy and others who think McLean should have been forced to wear the poppy. They are free to make their arguments and have done so.
Your idea of tolerance probably needs reviewing. |  |
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| Toleration on 15:32 - Mar 29 with 233 views | itfc_bucks |
Tolerance requires and mandates a rejection of intolerance.
Farage is a divisive, intolerant cnt and ought to be roundly rejected at every turn. | |
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| Toleration on 18:23 - Mar 29 with 182 views | armchaircritic59 |
| Toleration on 00:47 - Mar 29 by urbanpenguin |
No you don't. To be tolerant does not mean you have to equally listen to or tolerate all viewpoints and people. In fact Popper did a whole book on this after the Second World War. You do not need to be tolerant of existential threats or people who are out so destroy tolerance.
"But we should claim the right to suppress them [intolerant ideologies] if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols." |
It's Poppers " opinon " it isn't mine. Lifes too short. Especially at my stage of life. Morons will be morons, it will never be fully eradicated until people learn to think for themselves instead of blindly following ideologies often handed down to them by their equally moronic parents. So, I'll let them get on with it and continue to ignore. | | | |
| Toleration on 18:35 - Mar 29 with 151 views | Ryorry |
“But do I have a melt down and throw my toys out of the pram”?
Yes, you are doing so with your OP.
“So many people need to look in the mirror on here”
Yes, you do. |  |
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| Toleration on 18:37 - Mar 29 with 139 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Toleration on 14:53 - Mar 29 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Do you agree with the freedom of Morsy to choose whether to wear the rainbow armband, or other players to wear rainbow laces? Do you agree with the right for James McLean to choose not to wear a poppy?
I think the vast majority of people who are outraged with what Ashton has done in making the club an advert for Reform would agree with those things. There are a few who don't and think Morsy should have been stripped of the captaincy and others who think McLean should have been forced to wear the poppy. They are free to make their arguments and have done so.
Your idea of tolerance probably needs reviewing. |
The Morsy and McLean situations are not the same.
Regarding the Morsy situation, it is commonplace for organisations to have a policy on equalities, usually linked to the protected characteristics designated by law. While all staff are expected to comply with such policies, it is particularly important for those in leadership positions to actively support inclusion campaigns to demonstrate to colleagues that everyone is accepted. Morsy failed on this and should have been stripped of his captaincy IMO.
McLean's refusal to wear a poppy is not related to legally protected characteristics and I think anyone with an understanding of Northern Irish history should be able to comprehend his stance, even if they disagree with it (similarly, I would have completely understood if Al Hamadi had refused to wear a poppy given the UK's role in the Iraq war).
Going back to Morsy, I do agree with the view that if people supported his position on the armband, I have a hard time taking their upset about the Farage visit seriously. |  | | |
| Toleration on 18:44 - Mar 29 with 106 views | Ryorry |
| Toleration on 18:37 - Mar 29 by Clapham_Junction |
The Morsy and McLean situations are not the same.
Regarding the Morsy situation, it is commonplace for organisations to have a policy on equalities, usually linked to the protected characteristics designated by law. While all staff are expected to comply with such policies, it is particularly important for those in leadership positions to actively support inclusion campaigns to demonstrate to colleagues that everyone is accepted. Morsy failed on this and should have been stripped of his captaincy IMO.
McLean's refusal to wear a poppy is not related to legally protected characteristics and I think anyone with an understanding of Northern Irish history should be able to comprehend his stance, even if they disagree with it (similarly, I would have completely understood if Al Hamadi had refused to wear a poppy given the UK's role in the Iraq war).
Going back to Morsy, I do agree with the view that if people supported his position on the armband, I have a hard time taking their upset about the Farage visit seriously. |
Guess we’ll never know re Morsy , but personally I supported his stance because I think he may have taken it in order to protect his family.
Faragegate is totally different, and I couldn’t be more serious in my rage at it - worst thing to happen at ITFC since I started supporting us over 50 years ago. | |
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| Toleration on 18:50 - Mar 29 with 88 views | gtsb1966 |
To be fair the second sentence is spot on. |  | | |
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