| Protest 21:01 - Mar 28 with 8537 views | jasondozzell |
We can't just let Ashton get away with this. They are banking on apathy and time meaning it all just goes away.
I know a lot of you feel the same.
It puts them under pressure but I am hoping that Blue Action can do something.
They saved the club from Evans and they can do the same with Ashton. |  | | |  |
| Protest on 14:53 - Mar 29 with 1430 views | Vic |
| Protest on 21:21 - Mar 28 by jasondozzell |
Do you think it's acceptable?
Not true. Evans only sold to Gamechanger because of sustained pressure from BA. [Post edited 28 Mar 21:21]
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Thats codswallop JD and you know it. Lets not fall into the mistake of rewriting history. |  |
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| Protest on 14:56 - Mar 29 with 1422 views | PhilTWTD |
| Protest on 14:26 - Mar 29 by Unit2Blue |
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Purely guesswork at best from you about the players, not everyone supports the left wing views.
Go back to the brexit debate on here, most of you were calling everyone who supported it as racist etc. but that probably pushed them to voting leave.
Your left wing government wont get a second term and it is highly likely that Reform will get voted in due to a lot of people totally losing faith in the Tories and Mr u turn himself who blatantly lied to get into power and then dropped his promises so qyuickly. i.e. Waspi women! |
The players were and probably still are furious about all this, as you'd imagine they'd be having had shirts with their names on appearing in videos promoting Reform without their knowledge. And it's certainly not about 'left-wing views', plenty of people who would put themselves on the right on here and elsewhere are unhappy with the association of their club with Reform. |  | | |
| Protest on 14:58 - Mar 29 with 1377 views | lurcher |
| Protest on 14:35 - Mar 29 by gtsb1966 |
That's interesting. I still think Ashton will be gone or put on gardening leave. If the players are complaining I think his days are numbered. |
Fairly standard procedure in matters like this, they assist players with legal council as the club itself is the offending party. I was told that the players have drafted a statement that could be released by the PFA on their behalf.
I cant see him staying. |  | | |
| Protest on 15:00 - Mar 29 with 1353 views | Vic |
| Protest on 22:07 - Mar 28 by Guthrum |
I don't think the Americans have ducked out of anything. It's been five days. Sacking the man at the head of an organisation like ITFC with no replacement is simply not viable. There are too many things to oversee and keep running. Can't just temporarily install his deputy, as Werhun was also involved in that lunch.
They'd need to find the right person, secure their services, then get them installed and begin the process of getting them up to speed on all the intricacies of running Ipswich Town in the midst of major expansion, redevelopment and, most significantly, the final weeks of the season with a strong shot at promotion.
It's probably not a very sensible idea for the good of the club. Plus the damage is already done. All we are seeing now is the ripples spreading out. Removing Ashton will not stop the memes on social media, the possible chants from opposition fans, the sense among many supporters that the club doesn't feel quite as close or as welcoming as it did.
For the future of the club, far better that it be done carefully and well, than hastily leading to regret. |
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| Protest on 15:00 - Mar 29 with 1357 views | TheMoralMajority |
| Protest on 14:56 - Mar 29 by PhilTWTD |
The players were and probably still are furious about all this, as you'd imagine they'd be having had shirts with their names on appearing in videos promoting Reform without their knowledge. And it's certainly not about 'left-wing views', plenty of people who would put themselves on the right on here and elsewhere are unhappy with the association of their club with Reform. |
I know it's not your job, and you have far better things to do with your time, but I'd love to see more of this.
The insistence by members of both sides to force this into a left vs right culture wars narrative is tedious at best, dangerous at worst and deflects from the real issues and concerns at hand.
Sadly it is just a microcosm of wider society as a whole. |  |
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| Protest on 15:02 - Mar 29 with 1338 views | Paul |
| Protest on 14:18 - Mar 29 by lurcher |
They are, the PFA have been involved. |
What could the PFA actually do does anyone know? (genuine question as I have no idea) |  | | |
| Protest on 15:05 - Mar 29 with 1313 views | Meadowlark |
| Protest on 14:26 - Mar 29 by Unit2Blue |
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Purely guesswork at best from you about the players, not everyone supports the left wing views.
Go back to the brexit debate on here, most of you were calling everyone who supported it as racist etc. but that probably pushed them to voting leave.
Your left wing government wont get a second term and it is highly likely that Reform will get voted in due to a lot of people totally losing faith in the Tories and Mr u turn himself who blatantly lied to get into power and then dropped his promises so qyuickly. i.e. Waspi women! |
"Your left wing government.."
If you think we have a left wing government, all hope is lost. Thatcher was arguably more left wing than this lot. |  | | |
| Protest on 15:06 - Mar 29 with 1306 views | lurcher |
| Protest on 15:02 - Mar 29 by Paul |
What could the PFA actually do does anyone know? (genuine question as I have no idea) |
Provide legal guidance and support to the players as well as act as a 3rd party on their behalf. Effectively it is the players Vs the club so the players need somewhere else to go. | | | |
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| Protest on 15:09 - Mar 29 with 1280 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Protest on 15:06 - Mar 29 by lurcher |
Provide legal guidance and support to the players as well as act as a 3rd party on their behalf. Effectively it is the players Vs the club so the players need somewhere else to go. |
Could there perhaps be any contractual issues involved too. Players have their own endorsements and image rights etc.. could they feel this has caused them issues
Theres obviously going to be their own personal views on it all.. but I could imagine agents seeing it in a different manner.. |  |
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| Protest on 15:12 - Mar 29 with 1265 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Protest on 14:28 - Mar 29 by TheMoralMajority |
Why do you want to make this a political points scoring exercise? It is to diminish the real issue at hand.
Also, here is some evidence for you:
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Farage’s visit was openly discussed among the first-team players when they convened for training at their Playford Road base, several querying how he had been allowed to project himself from areas that are sacrosanct to them on a matchday. A diverse, particularly engaged squad was left unimpressed. It is the last thing Kieran McKenna needs, or deserves, as Ipswich prepare for an eight-game sprint towards promotion next month. Errors of this gravity touch every area of a club.
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https://www.theguardian.com/fo |
To be fair it's mostly based on hearsay, as sources didn't want to be quoted and information was reported anonymously.
The fact that the club has been weak in any firm denial does add credence to the reports, but it would be wrong to say the evidence is confirmed facts. That's not to say I disbelieve much of what has been claimed, but I would rather hear a full account from the club to form a fully informed opinion. I suspect that will not be forthcoming, in which case I'm inclined to believe the worst.
What is undeniable is that the club (whoever in senior positions were involved) gave Reform the opportunity to besmirch our good name, and however that came about, the buck stops with the board, CEO and Chairman. Their response has also been an excellent example of how NOT to deal with crisis management.
For me it's therefore almost irrelevant how it came about, and who believes what politically - the ineptitude with how it's been handled indicates serious failing in senior management, and these need addressing urgently with new faces to get our ship back on course again.
I will not protest in front of the players, or coaching staff, as IMO that is unhelpful, but will be making my views on the matter very clear to senior management, asking what Corporate Governance they have in place and what they intend to do to improve it to avoid the same reoccurring. I'd also be interested to know what 'Whistle blower' procedures they have in place, as this is a good mechanism to prevent overreach by senior staff. |  | | |
| Protest on 15:14 - Mar 29 with 1248 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Protest on 15:12 - Mar 29 by SuffolkPunchFC |
To be fair it's mostly based on hearsay, as sources didn't want to be quoted and information was reported anonymously.
The fact that the club has been weak in any firm denial does add credence to the reports, but it would be wrong to say the evidence is confirmed facts. That's not to say I disbelieve much of what has been claimed, but I would rather hear a full account from the club to form a fully informed opinion. I suspect that will not be forthcoming, in which case I'm inclined to believe the worst.
What is undeniable is that the club (whoever in senior positions were involved) gave Reform the opportunity to besmirch our good name, and however that came about, the buck stops with the board, CEO and Chairman. Their response has also been an excellent example of how NOT to deal with crisis management.
For me it's therefore almost irrelevant how it came about, and who believes what politically - the ineptitude with how it's been handled indicates serious failing in senior management, and these need addressing urgently with new faces to get our ship back on course again.
I will not protest in front of the players, or coaching staff, as IMO that is unhelpful, but will be making my views on the matter very clear to senior management, asking what Corporate Governance they have in place and what they intend to do to improve it to avoid the same reoccurring. I'd also be interested to know what 'Whistle blower' procedures they have in place, as this is a good mechanism to prevent overreach by senior staff. |
Arent Phils comments not enough for you if you wont take the athletics view
Do you not think with all his contacts and closeness to itfc that he doesnt know any of the players to be able to get the lowdown? [Post edited 29 Mar 15:15]
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| Protest on 15:19 - Mar 29 with 1234 views | lurcher |
| Protest on 15:09 - Mar 29 by FrimleyBlue |
Could there perhaps be any contractual issues involved too. Players have their own endorsements and image rights etc.. could they feel this has caused them issues
Theres obviously going to be their own personal views on it all.. but I could imagine agents seeing it in a different manner.. |
Yes there could, club has image rights but they are duty bound to be responsible. Club will have broken contractural obligations to its sponsors. | | | |
| Protest on 15:31 - Mar 29 with 1177 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Protest on 15:14 - Mar 29 by FrimleyBlue |
Arent Phils comments not enough for you if you wont take the athletics view
Do you not think with all his contacts and closeness to itfc that he doesnt know any of the players to be able to get the lowdown? [Post edited 29 Mar 15:15]
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I sometimes wonder if you fully read or understand many posts Frimmers.
It's a fact that it's Hearsay whatever the source is, whether or not I believe it, but for clarity I even said "...in which case I'm inclined to believe the worst." | | | |
| Protest on 15:34 - Mar 29 with 1161 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Protest on 15:31 - Mar 29 by SuffolkPunchFC |
I sometimes wonder if you fully read or understand many posts Frimmers.
It's a fact that it's Hearsay whatever the source is, whether or not I believe it, but for clarity I even said "...in which case I'm inclined to believe the worst." |
I read them but im quite thick sometimes so may misread something. Apologies. | |
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| Protest on 16:22 - Mar 29 with 1062 views | TheMoralMajority |
| Protest on 15:12 - Mar 29 by SuffolkPunchFC |
To be fair it's mostly based on hearsay, as sources didn't want to be quoted and information was reported anonymously.
The fact that the club has been weak in any firm denial does add credence to the reports, but it would be wrong to say the evidence is confirmed facts. That's not to say I disbelieve much of what has been claimed, but I would rather hear a full account from the club to form a fully informed opinion. I suspect that will not be forthcoming, in which case I'm inclined to believe the worst.
What is undeniable is that the club (whoever in senior positions were involved) gave Reform the opportunity to besmirch our good name, and however that came about, the buck stops with the board, CEO and Chairman. Their response has also been an excellent example of how NOT to deal with crisis management.
For me it's therefore almost irrelevant how it came about, and who believes what politically - the ineptitude with how it's been handled indicates serious failing in senior management, and these need addressing urgently with new faces to get our ship back on course again.
I will not protest in front of the players, or coaching staff, as IMO that is unhelpful, but will be making my views on the matter very clear to senior management, asking what Corporate Governance they have in place and what they intend to do to improve it to avoid the same reoccurring. I'd also be interested to know what 'Whistle blower' procedures they have in place, as this is a good mechanism to prevent overreach by senior staff. |
I'm not saying it is facts, I am saying it is evidence.
The poster asked for evidence, I provided evidence. If he asked for facts, obviously, I would not be able to provide. But, then, that would be an impossible standard to live up to and, fortunately, we do not live in that world (yet).
The source of evidence is also important. This is not some random blog on FootballLeagueWorld. It is our very own Nick Ames in the Guardian. Is it fact? No. Is it evidence? Yes. And I would argue fairly strong evidence at that.
Otherwise I pretty much agree with everything else you say (although I do not think the stripe of politics has much bearing on the situation) | |
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| Protest on 19:10 - Mar 29 with 879 views | LuciBlue |
Protest for football reasons, otherwise keep personal politics and hurt feelings out of football. |  |
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| Protest on 19:13 - Mar 29 with 871 views | TheMoralMajority |
| Protest on 19:10 - Mar 29 by LuciBlue |
Protest for football reasons, otherwise keep personal politics and hurt feelings out of football. |
Yes, that's rather the point. Our CEO abjectly failed to keep personal politics out of football.
The he lied about it. Then he gaslit everyone. Then he lied some more. Then he apologised for nothing in particular whilst taking no accountability.
I'll be honest, I'm not surprised that some people's feelings are hurt.
It's a real shame our leadership couldn't keep personal politics and hurt feelings out of football. | |
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| Protest on 21:09 - Mar 29 with 747 views | Libero |
| Protest on 19:13 - Mar 29 by TheMoralMajority |
Yes, that's rather the point. Our CEO abjectly failed to keep personal politics out of football.
The he lied about it. Then he gaslit everyone. Then he lied some more. Then he apologised for nothing in particular whilst taking no accountability.
I'll be honest, I'm not surprised that some people's feelings are hurt.
It's a real shame our leadership couldn't keep personal politics and hurt feelings out of football. |
The club has lessons to learn, he’s hurting, he unreservedly apologised- it was only the one quasi fascist- why can’t modest Mark catch a break? |  | | |
| Protest on 21:22 - Mar 29 with 719 views | bariotneblue |
Always thought the ‘Free Phil Ham’ line was brilliant.
Phil gives so much to this site and the club as a whole. I’m an enormous fan of his support, balanced opinions and the desire for a balanced yet supportive site. He’s the best of us and I fully support him. | | | |
| Protest on 23:04 - Mar 29 with 636 views | thebeat |
| Protest on 21:18 - Mar 28 by jasondozzell |
Do you think what's happening is acceptable? |
What’s happening? Do you mean what happened? The club made a mistake letting Farage visit, they then tried to cover it up when he plastered it all over the socials. The lefties licked their lips like the big bad wolf stumbling on granny at lunch time and then Ashton apologised. All this while everybody in the fanbase apart from the left didn’t really care. This then caused the lefties to call those people “ far right”.
It’s done. Grow up and move on. 8 massive games that will have a huge effect on the clubs ability to compete at the highest level for the next few years and possibly long term future. This is a drop in the ocean compared to that. Just stop | | | |
| Protest on 23:18 - Mar 29 with 607 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Protest on 23:04 - Mar 29 by thebeat |
What’s happening? Do you mean what happened? The club made a mistake letting Farage visit, they then tried to cover it up when he plastered it all over the socials. The lefties licked their lips like the big bad wolf stumbling on granny at lunch time and then Ashton apologised. All this while everybody in the fanbase apart from the left didn’t really care. This then caused the lefties to call those people “ far right”.
It’s done. Grow up and move on. 8 massive games that will have a huge effect on the clubs ability to compete at the highest level for the next few years and possibly long term future. This is a drop in the ocean compared to that. Just stop |
Let's file this under simplistic, untrue and ignorant hogwash |  | | |
| Protest on 23:29 - Mar 29 with 570 views | Libero |
| Protest on 23:04 - Mar 29 by thebeat |
What’s happening? Do you mean what happened? The club made a mistake letting Farage visit, they then tried to cover it up when he plastered it all over the socials. The lefties licked their lips like the big bad wolf stumbling on granny at lunch time and then Ashton apologised. All this while everybody in the fanbase apart from the left didn’t really care. This then caused the lefties to call those people “ far right”.
It’s done. Grow up and move on. 8 massive games that will have a huge effect on the clubs ability to compete at the highest level for the next few years and possibly long term future. This is a drop in the ocean compared to that. Just stop |
Exactly, it was just one quasi fascist invited to lunch and Mark apologised unreservedly- these stupid lefty snowflakes with their ethical standards and principles that transcend football, are going to get in the way of us normal blokes enjoying watching the town. [Post edited 29 Mar 23:30]
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| Protest on 23:32 - Mar 29 with 545 views | TheMoralMajority |
| Protest on 23:04 - Mar 29 by thebeat |
What’s happening? Do you mean what happened? The club made a mistake letting Farage visit, they then tried to cover it up when he plastered it all over the socials. The lefties licked their lips like the big bad wolf stumbling on granny at lunch time and then Ashton apologised. All this while everybody in the fanbase apart from the left didn’t really care. This then caused the lefties to call those people “ far right”.
It’s done. Grow up and move on. 8 massive games that will have a huge effect on the clubs ability to compete at the highest level for the next few years and possibly long term future. This is a drop in the ocean compared to that. Just stop |
I really can't be bothered to debate this any further with deliberately disingenuous posters who want to boil this down to identity politics, so I will just leave this post from our illustrious leader here:
Protest by PhilTWTD 29 Mar 14:56The players were and probably still are furious about all this, as you'd imagine they'd be having had shirts with their names on appearing in videos promoting Reform without their knowledge. And it's certainly not about 'left-wing views', plenty of people who would put themselves on the right on here and elsewhere are unhappy with the association of their club with Reform.
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| Protest on 23:53 - Mar 29 with 482 views | bartyg |
| Protest on 23:04 - Mar 29 by thebeat |
What’s happening? Do you mean what happened? The club made a mistake letting Farage visit, they then tried to cover it up when he plastered it all over the socials. The lefties licked their lips like the big bad wolf stumbling on granny at lunch time and then Ashton apologised. All this while everybody in the fanbase apart from the left didn’t really care. This then caused the lefties to call those people “ far right”.
It’s done. Grow up and move on. 8 massive games that will have a huge effect on the clubs ability to compete at the highest level for the next few years and possibly long term future. This is a drop in the ocean compared to that. Just stop |
I've not got anything to add that others haven't, only that referencing red riding hood is so camp. Thanks for the giggles |  |
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| Protest on 10:02 - Mar 30 with 323 views | witchdoctor |
| Protest on 13:41 - Mar 29 by darkhorse28 |
Agree. We need to stand up. Or we are Ashton FC. That’s our choice and that should unite everyone across the political spectrum.
If we want to stand up against him, it has to be because he’s commercially destroyed us, our brand, our future, for his ego and his political career.
We need everyone to understand what the implications are in terms of revenue, and talent retention and recruitment, TV won’t be allowed to touch us, after the games we already have contracted, they won’t risk far right away fan baiting, they can’t take the risk for their sponsors.
We are losing revenue and it will go to our competitors.
This is about football, and killing our club with horrific self interested decision making.
If it continues to be about left and right party politics, Ashton wins, we will be divided and hard to stand up to him.
This is about competence, overreach, lack of integrity, and why he thinks he’s bigger than OUR club.
Let’s get this self interested moon faced, ant hill mob, out of our club, for incompetence, lack of governance, and massive over reach of his roles…, he has no right to conflate us to any political party exclusively, and no right to lie about it.
But we will need to reach across party politics to get our club back, and to make it about football alone, stand together against Mark.
His treatment of media, and fan groups, tells a story of a man who at least does understand divide and conquer, control dynamics.
His ‘I care’ sociopathy is terrifying - we need to unite to get him out.
The consequences if we don’t - I don’t know we exist at that point.
Worst case…, I’ve got semi deep pockets, and can maybe attract investment. (Maybe Ed will get involved). Certainly there would be interest.
FC Ipswich Town …, a phoenix. we go again, the bottom of the pyramid, and leave Ashton FC to Mark and his ideology and disciples.
We’ll pass them on the way up - you can bank that.
Our new club ‘football for the love of football’ - the game that’s given me so much, around the values of Bobby and Alf, because it’s about community, it always was.
FC Ipswich Town - we’ll be a sporting community club built around the models across the clubs Bobby managed abroad, other sports, all ages, the whole community, with football the beating heart, where excellence is the goal. The best version of our community we can be.
Europe by 2040. More than the sum of our parts.
Let’s show Mark what football IS. |
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